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It doesn't surprise me one bit that the same people are running for mayor. These guys always seem to be able to direct the town; however this also comes with a huge risk. These people could be mafia and, if so, we will never know unless we choose to lynch them. Each candidate should explain why they would be a good Mayor AND a good Pardoner. Both roles are going to be crucial in this game, and if you're running, you could be either or.
So here's an early vote count:
Caller: (1)
Ver
Fishball: (1)
Molongo
Ver: (5)
Caller
Scaramanga
Mynock
0cz3c
Dreamflower
Mynock: (4)
LucasWoj
MikeyMoo
Ace
Amber[LighT] *
Only 1/3 of the game has voted so far, excluding myself. *I'm going to go ahead and throw my vote out for Mynock. I've played mafia with him a number of times and I trust he will be the best Mayor AND Pardoner. Communication might be better off if we switch up who gets the mayor spot. Though Caller and Ver would be great choices as well, if Mynock drops out I would vote for either of them.
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*I skipped BloddyC0bblers vote for Ver, so Ver has 6. Sorry -_-
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On May 18 2009 04:48 mikeymoo wrote:
Changing my vote to Ace.
Reasoning: Really all I'm interested in is a pardoner who isn't red.
In terms of people running that I do not believe to be red, it's between Mynock and Ace.
And I like Ace a bit more.
Sorry Mynock.
Doing this adds 1 more vote to Nemy becoming pardoner/mayor, you know this right?
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On May 20 2009 05:49 0cz3c wrote:
Caller should be getting protection from at least one medic, by the way. And I doubt that nemY is mafia. No use to kill a DT, Ace.
There's only one medic left...
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On May 20 2009 12:18 L wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2009 12:13 Bockit wrote:
L, that only works if we're killing Ace with our double lynch. Ace should never get hit during a double lynch because of pardoner status.
Well two things can happen:
a) The person Ace pardons is red and we have an auto-lynch for day 3. (we can even vote for another 2x lynch tomorrow if I'm reading the rules correctly if we have another definite hit for that day)
b) The person Ace pardons is blue and he did us the favor of saving someone. The problem that arises is that persons judgment is up to the town. We could just use the DT to find out that guys role or just choose to not lynch that person assuming Ace is trying to trick us.
Though thinking about it the ability for Ace to pardon tomorrow does make him more of a liability than keeping Ver alive. I honestly believe that Ver is not mafia. He hasn't even done anything as mayor aside from making an accidental lynch. We know he doesn't trust Ace this game so he probably wanted to see what Ace would say when he asked between myself and MBH.
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On May 22 2009 00:55 Mynock wrote:
Once more, everything happened overnight here, while I was sleeping on the other half of the Globe.
So anyway...
Great fucking job all.
And Ver tells the Town it plays bad? Oh sure. You basically shat on the whole game, being in the most important position none the less.
Sure, go ahead and take out your lulz or whatever for misreading you. I simply gave you too much credit. I somehow assumed, that one of our (supposedly) BEST players, would actually contribute more than tossing the Town into chaos. I read you absolutely correctly. Out of all the possible options, why the hell should I have included "oh, Ver is probably just totally fed up with the game, so he prolly won't even bother replying even tho he's following the thread, and he's prolly gonna ask to be modkilled anyway, and oh, he's veteran" possibility into my guesses? Yeah, how foolish of me. Maybe it's because I assumed it's a vet game, and people would actually play, especially OUR MAYOR of all people. Especially after he promised it 30 times.
You completely misread Ace, Ver. And L did too, of course. Yeah, I was wrong about your role (not about you per se tho, because lynching you WAS better for the Town), but L was wrong on pretty much every account. I thought both Ace and me made it blatantly obvious we're not Mafia. Don't go blaming him, I got his message.
Whatever, you won't even read this anyway.
Why the hell do I have to be so disappointed again? Goddamn. Even I thought that Ver would do some work in the office, or otherwise, why take it away from someone who actually wants to (ME)!? You're the one who completely misplayed his role Ver! I don't even want to point out any of the flaws, because I don't have the will, nor will you ever read it anyway.
I'm just disappointed again.
Anyway, n00b teammates, look at their items, feeders, etc, etc... I'll fume myself off somewhere, maybe I'll come back to try and patch this shit up. Maybe not, I don't care ATM.
Next time, maybe you guys will vote for me.
This is why I voted for you.
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ugh well gg i guess.
we had the win from day 1. You guys are the worst town ever. You suspected MBH and myself from the start. If only Ver did what Ace suggested and lynched me  . I think people tried to collect clues against me everyday but you neglected to harp on them. Towns need to be unified, not divided.
MBH = MVP? Fuck no he doesn't deserve it after throwing Caller to the wolves to save himself for what? To miss the vote to win the game?! Fuck that Showtime! you're the MVP of this game. Nothing would have been orchestrated quite so without your assistance. It was a lot of fun playing with you guys though =]
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On May 25 2009 01:50 MrBabyHands wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2009 00:36 Amber[LighT] wrote:
MBH = MVP? Fuck no he doesn't deserve it after throwing Caller to the wolves to save himself for what? To miss the vote to win the game?! Fuck that Showtime! you're the MVP of this game. Nothing would have been orchestrated quite so without your assistance. It was a lot of fun playing with you guys though =] i couldnt agree with you more. showtime had it on lock-- especially yesterday. looking through the thread, and knowing what he was planning behind the scenes, he really got the town to the tipping point. the caller thing was so random tho-- i really didnt expect the vig hit to be swapped at the very last minute. i probably could have suggested someone else-- but i didnt want to take the chance that L would call my bluff and not protect me. the idea was for no reds to die.
all in good fun though bro . You played well for being suspected along with me.
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On May 25 2009 13:04 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2009 11:53 Showtime! wrote:On May 25 2009 04:52 Ace wrote:
@Showtime!
You guys were a lot farther from the win than you think. The game only tipped when you and MBH came out in public and started posting.
Before that, if anyone was paying attention you guys pretty much had no chance to win because you were too exposed. Once Ver died - you, Caller, and BC were all out in the open.
Also lol @ blue sniping: look at what MBH just posted. Come on man how many times do I have to tell you guys I don't believe in that shit. If people just stop trying to play the game in PM land and keep their heads in the thread they'd stop fucking themselves and the town over. Do you want to read our MSN chat logs? Matt not only knew who was blue (with the exception of Lucas and MM because there was no way of telling they were BGs), but he knew their exact role. Originally we were going to get Heavon and Tricode. 9v6 or 8v6 (with Cam Modkilled). Do the math and look who was left. It would have been easy. We had everything planned out, so don't give me that whole 'you were far from winning shit.' Qatol was going to end the game as long as we lynched off two greens. End of story. There were too many mishaps and all of us were sick and tired of it. your talking about the very last night, I'm telling you you had it lost days before that. If you really think you had it that easy then you wouldn't have felt the need to quit. you fail. GG.
Ace cmon, we had it won when Ver modkilled himself. I mean who does that?
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On May 26 2009 20:38 L wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2009 07:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:L, after all the shit we kept spewing, bumping pages of new posts, who wants to go back and re-read  hehe Yeah, this is why I say I vastly overestimated the skill of the town. There were maybe 2-3 important posts per page and its rather easy to zoom in on them. When I gave the town the method of searching for specific posts, I figured they would use that to cross check what confirmed innocents were saying. I also assumed that the town would specifically look at the last incriminations I made. -> Scamp -> Showtime! -> nemY (which i revoked right before the vote b/c I was hoping that pointing a finger at him would make him less likely to get hit, and I had like 4 targets I wanted to keep up). Overall, this game really drove home how marketing you need to be. Just throw some fucking colours into your post and call people idiots when they're making perfectly rational and logical analysis.
If that was the case why did 10 townies die before you guys could lynch a mafia member? L for future games you should take a step back and read everyone's posts and maybe not 'analyze,' since as far as I remembered you were one of the most misleading townies of the bunch.
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On May 27 2009 06:35 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2009 00:10 Amber[LighT] wrote:On May 26 2009 20:38 L wrote:On May 26 2009 07:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:L, after all the shit we kept spewing, bumping pages of new posts, who wants to go back and re-read hehe Yeah, this is why I say I vastly overestimated the skill of the town. There were maybe 2-3 important posts per page and its rather easy to zoom in on them. When I gave the town the method of searching for specific posts, I figured they would use that to cross check what confirmed innocents were saying. I also assumed that the town would specifically look at the last incriminations I made. -> Scamp -> Showtime! -> nemY (which i revoked right before the vote b/c I was hoping that pointing a finger at him would make him less likely to get hit, and I had like 4 targets I wanted to keep up). Overall, this game really drove home how marketing you need to be. Just throw some fucking colours into your post and call people idiots when they're making perfectly rational and logical analysis. If that was the case why did 10 townies die before you guys could lynch a mafia member? L for future games you should take a step back and read everyone's posts and maybe not 'analyze,' since as far as I remembered you were one of the most misleading townies of the bunch. Because once those 2 bodyguards died the situation between Ver and myself had to be cleared up. It was the best move for the town to do so. If those 2 bodyguards didn't die, or Ver lynched you or MBH on Day 1 I'm sure the election candidates would have been the next suspects.
No it didn't.
That kill was dumb luck. There's no way anyone knew about those roles. I didn't understand why during the game people kept using that as an argument for why one of you two had to be mafia. Bodyguards typically get little benefit telling the mayor or pardoner their role, especially those two players who were probably not going to be lynched. And it's not like we hit the 'mayor' or 'pardoner' twice because (AFAIK) in order to get to you or Ver we had to find the bodyguards, which was done really with just luck (or MBH's apparent psychic powers whichever seems more fitting).
Those two kills really should have been ignored, or at least take into account why those two people died:
Were they particularly active? Meh they were in the middle.
Did they ever hint about mafia? I believe they made one or two posts blaming users.
Would their death cause confusion and possibly spill red paint on a possible innocent group? Hell yah motherfucker.
So Ace, WHY would mafia want the townies who died to die during this game? ......
The entire game was a snowball effect of 'well this person died so these three people are to blame because they were talking with him,' or 'well this person died because he said x y and z about that other person.'
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On May 27 2009 22:57 Ace wrote::/ I don't think you understand. Ver sent me a PM saying he wants to kill you or MBH. He lynches infinty21. Then 2 bodyguards die the next day. Seriously how hard is this to figure out? Sure the kills were dumb luck but from the town's POV that was damn near impossible. Look at the odds of both bodyguards dying and tell me how your post makes any sense 
I said that both bodygaurds died to dumb luck.
The odds of both bodyguards dying in the same night is slim-to-none, which would imply that the mafia would have to have some dumb luck.
I'm going to stand by my previous statement, and perhaps you just don't get what I'm trying to say.
Maybe Ver should discuss why he gave you those two choices? I have a hunch as to why he did, but it would be better if he explained his reasoning. (unless it's already in the thread somewhere sorry I don't really feel like digging for this)
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On May 28 2009 00:43 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Amber, you attribute it to dumb luck (which apparently it was) and as the town we looked at the statistic probability of them both dying, it was something like 1 in 680? I can't remember. With those odds we had to assume that they leaked to someone, even though I couldn't see mikeymoo doing that but I don't know much about lucas.
From our perspective they had to leak to someone to make it even possible, at least one of them. The dumb luck scenario required well, way too much dumb luck.
So we decided to purge the office of red.
There was no red.
Fuck.
That is basically what happened. If you can't see how that fucked the town over, then you need to think more. Combine that with the random ass infinity21 lynch as opposed to 1/2 mafia and we were like "Wtf? Something is not right in there"
A lot of bad luck plagued the town and turned us stupid. If those two things didn't happen, if you hit any other blue this game might of gone different.
1 in 680... those are the odds. (DUMB LUCK)
People even said in the thread 'maybe those hits were just dumb luck.' The outspoken townies disregarded any argument that said 'dumb luck' on the bodyguard hits.
It only worked out because the town also already had disagreements over Ver and Ace, which couldn't have been any better. You guys never stopped to think that there was a possibility that both were innocent. Everyone who said this possibility was like 'well they could be both innocent, but they're not.' Those people kept going either accusing Ace, or Ver...
And cmon you think I don't know how that fucked the town over? It couldn't have worked more perfectly, but the execution was only accomplished because the town had numerous factions that had issues with other factions. When you have more than two distinct groups its very easy to target one group that accused another group so the focus on targets changed. This happened on Day 2 if you check the thread there were probably 4 (at least) distinct alliances of townies. The Pro-Ace, The Pro-Ver, The Pro-L, and the Anti-nemY (weak). The problem is everyone in each group accused key players in the other groups so they went on auto-defense. The people who had clue analysis targeting actual mafia members posted first and we never saw their analysis come back. You guys just started trying to make the clues fit the people you wanted to see dead. All-in-all the town played poorly. I keep saying that you guys played like shit and yet you all insist that it's because of the kills (infinity, bodyguards). Your mentality of the game hasn't changed, despite the game ending, and the mafia members telling you what happened and why.
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On May 28 2009 04:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Infinity was lynched mainly due to his apparent apathy to the thread.
Ver's Decision (based on what i know)
happened like this.
He asked me for names for potential lynches. He told me he already had mbh and amber on his list due to inactivity, I dropped infinity's name, as well as one other random one (forget which). He then took his first two names to ace, ace said he would auto pardon mbh.
That left ver with Amber and then he had infinity's name that I had given him. He coin flipped best of 7 i believe, and infinity lost so was lynched.
And this game had no signs of LUCK at all.
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On May 28 2009 06:17 Ace wrote:Why are we even discussing this with Amber? He's shown he is a fucking moron. End of story. Show nested quote +On May 28 2009 05:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Ugg Ver, if only you just killed amber
And now that Amber is posting even more dumb shit I really wish he did
lol you bulldog even when the game is over. jeez ur a piece of work Ace.
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