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How Kespa is calculated?

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gwho
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States632 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-20 20:32:41
February 20 2008 20:31 GMT
#1
so i've searched the forums and i've found countless threads showing kespa rankings, but none explaining how it's calculated.

How the elo system is calculated is easily found on google, but kespa calculation doesn't really show up on a google search.

this may have been answered in some ancient thread, buried in the depths of the virtual TL libraries, but just as a one stop answer, could anyone point the finger in the right direction plz? thx
InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-20 20:57:56
February 20 2008 20:57 GMT
#2
I am view #75 and to be honest I don't know how or where its found! T____T

Someone tell us where :D
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iCCup.Trent
Profile Joined May 2005
Argentina450 Posts
February 20 2008 21:20 GMT
#3
I can only point you in the right direction:

KeSPA ranking is based on match results from all known korean tourneys, and WCG, both wins and losses, and the amount of points given are based on the importance of the match (MSL final is worth more than ODT groups).

Originally, the score was calculated over matches played in the last 12 months (I think), but this a changed like 2 years ago, and I believe now it's 4 months or so, this was apparently because big bosses felt it'd represent a better picture of the progaming world.
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-20 21:59:47
February 20 2008 21:58 GMT
#4
Actually it was originally an all time ranking.

February 2003 it became a 12 months ranking.

And more recently (not sure when, too lazy to check...) it changed to a 3 months ranking.
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gwho
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States632 Posts
February 20 2008 22:09 GMT
#5
On February 21 2008 06:58 Carnac wrote:
Actually it was originally an all time ranking.

February 2003 it became a 12 months ranking.

And more recently (not sure when, too lazy to check...) it changed to a 3 months ranking.


do you have a refernce to more details of the whole process? it would be nice to have something of the equivalent to this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system

with mathmatical formulas.


But thx for the bit of info about 3 months ranking!
pindleskin
Profile Joined January 2008
New Zealand199 Posts
February 20 2008 22:55 GMT
#6
Here's the link for the kespa ranking.

http://www.e-sports.or.kr/record/record_rank01.asp?record=01
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-20 23:04:02
February 20 2008 23:03 GMT
#7
On February 21 2008 07:55 pindleskin wrote:
Here's the link for the kespa ranking.

http://www.e-sports.or.kr/record/record_rank01.asp?record=01


read the thread properly duuudee
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Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8845 Posts
February 20 2008 23:57 GMT
#8
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The randomness encountered due to the quantum nature of the calculations explains why FakeSteve is yet to reach number one.

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dyodyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Philippines578 Posts
February 21 2008 00:34 GMT
#9
This FAQ item seems to discuss how the points system is calculated. But since I don't understand one bit of korean, I may be totally wrong.
Kespa FAQ #18


Here is google's translation of that FAQ item.

Ranking
Ranking Association is a comprehensive, team rankings, ranking divided by personal announcement.

Ranking calculated approach

① period applies to the points deducted

Grades are reflected within the past 3 months, but other than 100% for the period as follows: 10% each month will be deducted apply.

Team scores reflect ②

Ranking points are reflected in the team ranking applies to score points, depending on the season Unlike Individual grants, and each points to the winner of each set of the final match both teams going Set to 'finish (Closer)' is 50% of the confrontation between the isolated been given extra points , in a separate post-season games, 50 percent of the gasanyul apply.
Individual and team of players who daseungwang to apply for a separate bonus points.

Each percentage point adjustment ③ rigeubyeol

In the case of each individual league every season because of the progress of the different plates can be granted because there is no point in every game, 'depending on the league grants points to' the existing way of the elimination of 500 points that basically un-prize granted by the Unification .
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datscilly
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States529 Posts
February 21 2008 00:42 GMT
#10

Grades are reflected within the past 3 months, but other than 100% for the period as follows: 10% each month will be deducted apply.


That's very interesting-- oh, so that's how it is. The last 12 months are taken into consideration but games almost a very ago hardly count. The just the last 3 months rule couldn't be right because there would be numerous steep drops every month.
Aurious
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Canada1772 Posts
February 21 2008 01:26 GMT
#11
it's right, look at rA.
Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
February 21 2008 03:44 GMT
#12
I'm not entirely sure myself, but all I know is...

1) In their last change, they removed WCG from their official ratings. WCG is no longer counted towards KeSPA points. (which is why Stork barely budged when he won 2007, while historically players jumped like 10 ranks each time they won)

2) I think 3 months is right.... I'm certain in their last change they constricted it so that players who won big tourneys half a year ago don't benefit so much from it.... if it all.

3) Teamplay ranks and single ranks are separated, and added together for the total rank.
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gwho
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States632 Posts
June 04 2008 20:46 GMT
#13
협회랭킹은 종합랭킹, 단체전랭킹, 개인랭킹으로 나누어 발표하고 있습니다.

랭킹 산정 방식

① 기간에 따른 포인트 차감 적용

최근 3개월 내의 성적은 100% 반영하되 이외의 기간에 대해서는 아래와 같이 매월 10%씩 차감 적용하게 된 것이다.

② 단체전 성적반영

단체전의 랭킹 포인트 반영은 순위 성적에 따라 포인트가 적용되는 개인전리그와는 다르게 각 세트 승자에게 승점을 부여하며 각 경기 최종Set에 벌어지는 양 팀‘마무리(Closer)’간의 대결은 50%의 가산점이 주어지는데, 포스트시즌 경기는 별도로 50%의 가산율이 적용됩니다.
개인전 및 팀플레이의 다승왕을 차지한 선수에게는 별도의 보너스 포인트를 적용됩니다.

③ 각 리그별 포인트 비율 조정

개인리그의 경우 각 리그마다의 진행방식이 판이하게 다른 점 때문에 경기마다 승점을 부여할 수 없으므로 ‘리그 성적에 따라 포인트를 부여’하는 기존의 방식을 기본적으로 따르되 상금 포인트를 없애고 500점을 부여하는 것으로 통일합니다.
gwho
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States632 Posts
June 04 2008 20:47 GMT
#14
UREKA! now someone translate.... -_- i'm lazy xp
Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
June 04 2008 21:06 GMT
#15
Noone really knows how Kespa is calculated. The accepted theory is that it involves lots of dart boards
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EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-04 23:12:17
June 04 2008 21:45 GMT
#16
Dolphins and balls?
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
joohyunee
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
Korea (South)1087 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-04 22:43:11
June 04 2008 22:29 GMT
#17
There are three different categories: overall ranking, proleague ranking, and individual ranking.

The math behind the ranks:

① Decaying of points through time

The results from the last 3 months are applied 100%, but for every month afterwards, 10% of the points gained "decays"; (so basically a game played 3+ months ago would count for only 90% of the point gained, 4+ months 80% until 12 months afterwards would count 0% into kespa ranking)

② Application of points from proleague

Unlike the individual leagues where the points gained through a win depend on the current rank according to kespa, the proleague wins count as an individual "win", (meaning who the opponent is doesn't change the amount of points earned through the win). However, in a setting where a player plays in the "ace match" or the "closer", there is a 50% bonus for the win. If a player wins an ace match in the post season, there is an additional 50% bonus for that win (so 200% points earned for a win one ace match)
There is also bonus points for the players that win the "most wins" prize in the individual and teamplay (2v2) matches. (explains why flower/justin was so high up in kespa a couple of months ago)

③ Controlling the points in the individual leagues

In the case of individual leagues, it is impossible to justify a specific amount of point that a player earns for a win. The amount of points gained depend on their performance in the league, but there is a 500 extra point bonus for winning the league. And there is no bonus for the amount of money earned (they used to give OSL more kespa points than MSL because OSL gave out more money but it doesn't matter now that MSL gives as much money to the MSL winner)
joohyunee
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
Korea (South)1087 Posts
June 04 2008 22:43 GMT
#18
not my best translation but you get the idea.
EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
June 04 2008 23:11 GMT
#19
Thanks a lot, this really clears things up!
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
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