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United States7488 Posts
I was going to put this in the Jaedong is a monster thread in attempts to actually generate discussion/save the thread, but it was closed as I was typing. And I was I became genuinely interested in the topic and thought I should post it anyway.
Jaedong's ZvT is undoubtedly amazing. He is on a 12 game win streak in the matchup with his last loss being against Sea, in which he won that best-of-three. I don't think any terran is going to be able to stop him in this OSL.
As far as his other matchups go, his ZvZ has in the past been equally amazing (currently 74%), causing other proteams to alter their lineups in order to avoid a potential ZvZ game against Jaedong. July recently beat him in a Bo3 at WCG Korea, but he is in danger of not getting out of his group.
That leaves his unargueably worst match-up: ZvP. In his group he has to face Stork in week five, when he should already be 2-0 and locked for the quarterfinals. Whether he can beat Stork or not might not even matter at this point.
Assuming he advance to the quarterfinals, who is going to have the ability to take him down? In the quarters he won't have to face Stork, which only leaves two other Protoss players (and lets face it, Rock isn't getting out of the group stage). Will Bisu have to take him down, or will Bisu get eliminated before they face each other?
Who do you think is the most likely player to be able to take out Jaedong or is he going the distance?
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bisu eats all zergs alive (except july)
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bisu is the only person id take as a solid favorite over him, maybe stork. its just a matter of whether or not he has to face bisu.
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On October 13 2007 05:24 semioldguy wrote:
I was going to put this in the Jaedong is a monster thread in attempts to actually generate discussion/save the thread, but it was closed as I was typing. And I was I became genuinely interested in the topic and thought I should post it anyway.
Jaedong's ZvT is undoubtedly amazing. He is on a 12 game win streak in the matchup with his last loss being against Sea, in which he won that best-of-three. I don't think any terran is going to be able to stop him in this OSL.
As far as his other matchups go, his ZvZ has in the past been equally amazing (currently 74%), causing other proteams to alter their lineups in order to avoid a potential ZvZ game against Jaedong. July recently beat him in a Bo3 at WCG Korea, but he is in danger of not getting out of his group.
That leaves his unargueably worst match-up: ZvP. In his group he has to face Stork in week five, when he should already be 2-0 and locked for the quarterfinals. Whether he can beat Stork or not might not even matter at this point.
Assuming he advance to the quarterfinals, who is going to have the ability to take him down? In the quarters he won't have to face Stork, which only leaves two other Protoss players (and lets face it, Rock isn't getting out of the group stage). Will Bisu have to take him down, or will Bisu get eliminated before they face each other?
Who do you think is the most likely player to be able to take out Jaedong or is he going the distance?
Thanks for succeding where I failed. I guess I'm not allowed to post thoughts. =[
But in response to your thread, I think his chances of victory against anyone not named Bisu are very good. If Bisu is knocked out, I really like Jae's chances of taking gold.
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I'm thinking pretty much the same as the other three. If Jaedong plays Bisu he will get crushed.
The other two possibilites I am thinking of are Hwasin and Iris. I think Hwasin has about a 50% chance of winning in a bo3 or bo5. Iris maybe a little less.
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I honestly always loved Jeadong ZvT, but what I want is a good ZvPer to pwn all those protoss getting easy maps, or balanced maps, watever.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
i love jaedong man
his name is cool
he looks cool
his zvt is cool as fuck
GOGO 이제동!!!!!!!!!!!
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what does royal road mean
Jaedong's ZvT is Savior circa 2006 level except more refined. As long as he is not at too much of a disadvantage by the time his mutalisks come out there is no terran that can beat him. I think Flash does have somewhat of a chance though, hope they meet in starleague
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Flash could take him out early but I don't think he could pull off a bo3 win if the games were longer and heads up.
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United States7488 Posts
On October 13 2007 05:53 zulu_nation8 wrote:
what does royal road mean
Walking the Royal Roal would refer to a player who becomes the champion in his first OSL appearance. For example, Savior took the title the first time he managed to qualify for the OSL.
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
On October 13 2007 05:53 zulu_nation8 wrote:
what does royal road mean
Winning OSL upon first entry.
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
I have this suspition that Jaedong is getting overhyped.
Lets try to guess how the Ro8 will be layed out.
Last OSL's advancing format:
A1 v C2
C1 v D2
B1 v A2
D1 v B2
Now bisu, already having beaten GGPlay, will most likely advance as A1. Jaedong, in group C will have to beat Stork to advance as C1 which I doubt. The chances of Jaedong meeting Bisu in Ro8 and therefore getting raped are pretty high.
If Jaedong does manage to beat Stork and advance as C1 he will play either Savior or Flash and has a good chance of advancing (Rock already lost to Flash and will probably loose to Savior thus getting 3'rd place). He will then face the winner of Bisu/Stork (oops!) in the semis. Doesn't look like a bright OSL for Jaedong.
edit: Jaedong needs to take some Protoss dodging lessons from Casy.
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On October 13 2007 05:58 TheTyranid wrote:
I have this suspition that Jaedong is getting overhyped.
He is. I like his ZvT but:
1.)His ZvT is not the same as Savior's level when Savior began dominating. Savior had a much much more dismantling style. Jaedong also has
2.) He has yet to play Hwasin in a series, and hasn't played Iris at all. Those are the top TvZ monsters besides Sea who does not play like either.
When/if Jaedong beats these 2 then he'll truly be THE ZvT king. Right now Savior may not be his old self but he was a bigger threat because he massacred the top Terrans from the get go.
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Even if he has been on a streak against Terrans, if he has to face a good one (Hwasin/Iris) in a best of 3 or 5, chances are that he might get knocked out. Add into the mix that if he faces a Protoss, he's pretty much screwed, and well... I'd put his odds at maybe 10% tops.
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On October 13 2007 05:39 Polar wrote:
Thanks for succeding where I failed. I guess I'm not allowed to post thoughts. =[
There is nothing wrong with posting thoughts.
However, the same is not true for creating shitty threads.
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Jaedong has to either take a game from Stork, or pray to God that Bisu somehow loses a game in his group.
Also, he hasn't really proved himself in a BO5.
But his ZvT and ZvZ are art, so I hope he does royal road it, it would be cool to see 3 different zergs take home all 3 OSLs this year.
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
Ok just look aat the bracket format. Now I am pretty dam sure they will use the same one as last OSL. Jaedong will not face either Hwasin or Iris until the finals if Jaedong somehow miraculously gets past Bisu AND Stork who are on his side of the bracket.
Now given Iris's TvZ history he will be the underdog against Jaedong ( imo Iris's TvZ is very sloppy and he might choak as he did against GGPlay and Savior). Then again those are hive Zergs, which is Iris' weakness. I have no idea how he will handle a lair zerg in a Bo 5, but I would give JD a slight edge. Hwasin's TvZ is much better than Iris' but once again it is hard to tell how things will go.
What is ceratain is that Jaedong has VERY LITTLE chances of getting to that stage. I guarantee he will get face stomped by Bisu or Stork. His chance of meeting one of them in semi is almost certain.
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On October 13 2007 05:39 Polar wrote:
Thanks for succeding where I failed. I guess I'm not allowed to post thoughts. =[
Yours was a shitty thread. His actually has some depth.
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I didn't have time to finish it because I was at work and had my boss talking my ear off about going fishing this weekened... In the future, I'll just wait, instead of being flamed to death.
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