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ambit!ous1
Profile Joined September 2007
United States3662 Posts
October 17 2007 22:46 GMT
#81
jaedong has no chance walking the royal road.

p looking too strong this season and

jaedong needs to improve his zvp.
Bisu[Shield] / ♔ SoYeon
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
October 18 2007 00:47 GMT
#82
If Stork and Bisu somehow go down early, he has a shot. If he hits Bisu he's screwed. Stork's PvZ might just be weak enough for Jaedong to slip through if he gets lucky.

His odds aren't great, but I'd say he has a chance.
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IaniAniaN
Profile Joined September 2007
Canada555 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-18 03:55:33
October 18 2007 03:53 GMT
#83
It's a good thing that there are only 2 really good P's right now, there are others that approach stork and bisu, but none of them have the same spark or solidity in all matchups. Stork still sometimes chooses to play PvZ in an archaic way (see: hardcore zealot) compared to Bisu, and for that reason Jaedong might be able to pull off his agressive play. However when it comes to the multy-tasking monster Bisu I wonder if he can adapt to getting harassed. Though if Bisu doesn't completely rape Hwasin (the opposite would be losing) it might affect his mental state somewhat. Then again Bisu ,and Stork, are playing the players they should have met in the finals or semis.

EDIT: whoops I'm retarded, we're talking about OSL here. Well, in that case I'm giving Jaedong even less of a chance because I don't see Bisu or Stork getting anyone they can't handle.
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
October 18 2007 05:16 GMT
#84
On October 13 2007 07:26 MYM.Testie wrote:
I'm not confident his ZvT is the best right now, and want to see how well he does on hard maps for zerg vs top terrans who are practicing vs zerg for a week or more straight.

This is one of those times where the statistics are a bit too early despite being really good for him.
Obviously if he wins this league i'll definitely change my stance. I am just doubtful he could be far in the lead of ZvT when there's so many good zergs, and that Savior is probably still top but has had to play on some rougher maps.


Quite sensible thing to say.
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
October 18 2007 08:25 GMT
#85
Jaedong can handle any terran and any Zerg, he will make it, unless he ends up fighting Bisu or Stork, above 70% in ZvT and ZvZ is pretty insane
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
November 06 2007 22:57 GMT
#86
Ugh, he lost to Stork... and then proceeded to lose to a terran(Sheis) after? Jaedong! Dont worry ur still me hero :D
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Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
November 07 2007 01:12 GMT
#87
On November 07 2007 07:57 bumatlarge wrote:
Ugh, he lost to Stork... and then proceeded to lose to a terran(Sheis) after? Jaedong! Dont worry ur still me hero :D


Sheis sir is 7-0 against zerg you cannot knock his tvz play
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
November 07 2007 01:15 GMT
#88
On November 07 2007 07:57 bumatlarge wrote:
Ugh, he lost to Stork... and then proceeded to lose to a terran(Sheis) after? Jaedong! Dont worry ur still me hero :D


It's alright, he obviously threw those games for *insert reason here*
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.dragoon
Profile Joined May 2007
United States749 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-07 02:15:26
November 07 2007 02:02 GMT
#89
People are referring too much to TLPD for their arguments (HotBid anyone?).

Savior dropped a game to bifrost on desertfox, I remember that stinker as clear as day. Towards Shin3 Savior said his games were becoming increasingly tougher. Well of course, he's been owning since UZOO in 05, he's been THE GUY for whom everyone trained to win against.

Jaedong's zvt is rock solid, his zvz is immaculate, but his zvp is morbid. He's not gonna win a starleague without a ton of luck like what happened to Casy or Gorush, especially now in this era.

God I wouldn't want him to be another Casy, big ZvT/Mirror MUs, with vP so shit the quickest way to eliminate him from a starleague is just to drop a P into his group.
If you can, then do. If I can, I will.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
November 07 2007 02:14 GMT
#90
On November 07 2007 11:02 .dragoon wrote:
People are referring too much to TLPD for their arguments (HotBid anyone?).

Savior dropped a game to bifrost on desertfox, I remember that stinker as clear as day. Towards Shin3 Savior said his games were becoming increasingly tougher. Well of course, he's been owning since UZOO in 05, he's been THE GUY for whom everyone trained to win against.

Jaedong's zvt is rock solid, his zvz is immaculate, but his zvp is morbid. He's not gonna win a starleague without a ton of luck like what happened to Casy or Gorush, especially now in this era.


Keep in mind that if Frozean loses to Rock on Thursday, then Jaedong won't face any Protoss players unless:
A) Stork somehow overcomes Savior.
B) He meets Bisu in the finals.
.dragoon
Profile Joined May 2007
United States749 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-07 02:20:58
November 07 2007 02:17 GMT
#91
Meeting Bisu in the finals is EXACTLY what I'm worried about.

Can you imagine the anti-climax that is Dragon Bisu >>>>>>>3:0>>>>>>> Puppy Jaedong? He won't be able to walk straight or sit down for weeks.

I love the newschool players of Upmagic/Jaedong/Free, I think they're fun to watch and want them to succeed. However you just can't have a weakness as evident as one whole MU and think you'll walk away unscathed by opinion.
If you can, then do. If I can, I will.
TheTyranid
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Russian Federation4333 Posts
November 07 2007 02:24 GMT
#92
On November 07 2007 11:17 .dragoon wrote:
Meeting Bisu in the finals is EXACTLY what I'm worried about.

Can you imagine the anti-climax that is Dragon Bisu >>>>>>>3:0>>>>>>> Puppy Jaedong? He won't be able to walk straight or sit down for weeks.

I love the newschool players of Upmagic/Jaedong/Free, I think they're fun to watch and want them to succeed. However you just can't have a weakness as evident as one whole MU and think you'll walk away unscathed by opinion.

No man, it's called protoss dodging although Jaedong has not achieved mastery of this crucial skill.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
November 07 2007 02:27 GMT
#93
On November 07 2007 11:02 .dragoon wrote:
Jaedong's zvt is rock solid, his zvz is immaculate, but his zvp is morbid. He's not gonna win a starleague without a ton of luck like what happened to Casy or Gorush, especially now in this era.

gorush doesnt belong on that list, his zvp is bad now but when he won his msl and got 3rd in osl he was insanely good in all 3 matchups.
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.dragoon
Profile Joined May 2007
United States749 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-07 02:42:32
November 07 2007 02:37 GMT
#94
Dodging is for group stage, you can't dodge a starleague final.

And I guess it's just Casy then. But it's a stretch to say that his ZvP was good with your 2 examples since he didn't play a P once in those 2 leagues and ZvP in 2004 was exceedingly easy.
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Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-07 02:46:24
November 07 2007 02:43 GMT
#95
On November 07 2007 11:37 .dragoon wrote:
Dodging is for group stage, you can't dodge a starleague final.

And I guess it's just Casy then.

Jaedong can totally dodge Bisu in the OSL final:

He can pray that Shudder pulls a successful cheese on Bluestorm

He can hope that someone can luck a few wins vs him in the RO8.

He can slip horse-tranquilizer into Bisu's breakfast of rum and beef jerky prior to the RO4.

Then, if that doesn't work, he pretty much runs out of options and must submit to biting down on a cyanide pill rather than lose 3-0 to Bisu.
blagoonga123
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2068 Posts
November 07 2007 03:03 GMT
#96
His zvp isn't TOO bad. it's just not as good.
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ScvRushGGNoRe
Profile Joined November 2007
13 Posts
November 07 2007 03:39 GMT
#97
Jaedong is pretty good but I doubt he can win the OSL yet.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
November 07 2007 03:54 GMT
#98
On November 07 2007 12:03 blagoonga123 wrote:
His zvp isn't TOO bad. it's just not as good.


no dude, its pretty bad

the only zerg playing worse against protoss right now is gorush
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ambit!ous1
Profile Joined September 2007
United States3662 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-07 05:03:36
November 07 2007 03:55 GMT
#99
well maybe
Bisu[Shield] / ♔ SoYeon
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Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
November 07 2007 04:57 GMT
#100
I think the terrans in the OSL are good enough such that Bisu is less likely than Jaedong to make the finals.

If both meet in the finals, though, Jaedong should take the cyanide pill
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