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We have seen Flash, the youngest player to ever win an OSL match (vs Light in Week 2 of the current Daum OSL), getting a 1-0 head start in the quarters vs Bisu.
He has some pretty impressive results so far with 13-2 stats (86.67%).
+ Show Spoiler [official match list of Flash] +07-06-22 Daum OSL Hitchhiker PBisu Win
07-06-20 ShinHan Proleague R1 Sin Peaks of Baekdu ZoDin Win
07-06-17 ShinHan Proleague R1 Python ZLuxury[GsP] Win
07-06-15 Daum OSL Monty Hall Tiloveoov Win
07-06-10 ShinHan Proleague R1 Python TBoxeR Loss
07-06-10 ShinHan Proleague R1 Tau Cross ZClon Win
07-06-05 ShinHan Proleague R1 Geometry PPuSan Win
07-05-28 ShinHan Proleague R1 Python PPokJu[S.G] Win
07-05-25 Daum OSL Fantasy ZsAviOr Loss
07-05-22 ShinHan Proleague R1 Geometry PRage Win
07-05-18 Daum OSL Hitchhiker TLight Win
07-04-18 ODT2007-1 Longinus 2 Pfree[gm] Win
07-04-18 ODT2007-1 Neo Arkanoid PBisu Win
07-04-13 ODT2007-1 Hitchhiker PTT Win
07-04-13 ODT2007-1 Longinus 2 PTT Win
Personally I am not willing to call him a prodigy, not yet anyway, despite what Reach said about him. I am, however, sure that quite a few would consider him one. So while we wait to see how he ends up doing in his 2nd (and possibly 3rd) quarter final game vs Bisu later this week let us think a bit about what other prodigies we have seen and how they prevailed?
To me the most obvious example seems to be Sea (don't crucify me, Steve ^^). Many believed him to be the next big thing a while ago and while he does have impressive mechanics and game sense and even has won a couple of important games for his team MBCGame HERO he never made it big. In fact he hasn't even reached the semifinals of one single OSL or MSL. A failed prodigy? I don't know, but certainly a player who didn't live up to the expectations.
Who else can you think of?
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The spoiler doesn't work.
Wasn't terato supposed to be pretty good, but got booted for being too lively at nightclubs..?
SEA JUST NEEDS SOME TIME OKAY ;;
edit: wow he's only lost to savior and boxeR? wow amazing
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a majority of the players are young now and days anyways, sea is like 15- or 16 and flash is 15. i'm pretty sure bisu is only like 16 or 17, so its kind of hard to say "prodigy" since alot of the good players are really young anyways. But that being said i havent heard about that 12 year old kid who is like an apprentice to Pantech or whatever, you know what happened to him?
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LOTS of progamers are hyped up (by other pros or by some early results) and don't make a smash hit because of nerves or not enough practice or not enough time yet or some other factor
a short list that i can think of is like...
T: sea, canata (hyped by SKT1), kos (so extremely hyped as best mechanic terran), hery, arguably midas or goodfriend (if only GF had beaten july), savior's terran (lol)
P: pusan or stork maybe (haven't won a big league yet), tester, terato for sure,
Z: rumble?, aqua (or was it magma)?, sigamari (when he was zerglee with SKT1), zergman (amazing online right), yellow[arnc],
then again some people really come through with it like bisu, nada, oov, NALRA, july!
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On June 25 2007 22:16 Pressure wrote:
edit: wow he's only lost to savior and boxeR? wow amazing
my thoughts exactly. bisu and oov were also two notable victories.
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wow thanks for informing me about flash
i never knew this.\
yea he seems to be the next big thing, but hopefully he doesnt fail like sea shield does
and only 15?!?!? years old??? wow T_T
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On June 25 2007 22:18 GoOdJo wrote:
a majority of the players are young now and days anyways, sea is like 15- or 16 and flash is 15. i'm pretty sure bisu is only like 16 or 17, so its kind of hard to say "prodigy" since alot of the good players are really young anyways. But that being said i havent heard about that 12 year old kid who is like an apprentice to Pantech or whatever, you know what happened to him?
i think sea is 18..
and i think bisu is older than 16/17. not too sure though.
taeyang was seen next to nada at the recent pantech vs. samsung proleague match, dunno what he does for pantech though, the story is he trains with NaDa
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Sea is the #1 example of course, Canata as well.
Flash is something else, he is fearless! He can really make it happen.
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On June 25 2007 22:31 VioleTAK wrote:
Sea is the #1 example of course, Canata as well.
Flash is something else, he is fearless! He can really make it happen.
i think the same thing, when he plays he just acts like its normal to beat bisu and stuff lol. I think he will be the next great terran.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On June 25 2007 22:13 Carnac wrote:
To me the most obvious example seems to be Sea (don't crucify me, Steve ^^).
haha no man i agree with you. Sea at his best is far and away the most impressive terran I've ever seen. He absolutely mystifies me when he's playing to the edge of his ability, but he is outwardly emotional and he has a hard time beating certain players and performing under extreme pressure. Watching him develop and wondering which Sea i'll watch today is what makes him exciting to me, and thats why he's my favourite player. I still thoroughly believe that its just a matter of time, and that when it happens its going to be big. Like, Savior big.
I would say the other 'failed prodigy' is Stork, despite his strong form now. He was lauded as "the next big champion", let alone the next big protoss, and he failed to deliver multiple times before falling from the major leagues, and then falling from the qualifiers over and over.
I'll also point out that so far in Sea's short career, he's been knocked out of OSL/MSL by YellOw[ArnC] back when he was making his ZvT splash, and by GoRush a couple times. And Xellos now, but given those build orders there's not a terran alive that would have won from Sea's position.
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IMO Sea is good, he just cracks under pressure too much. I think a lot of the "failed prodigy" stuff doesn't come from people hyping them up. The hype is probably deserved because I'm willing to bet they perform really well at HQ in practice games and stuff...but just fall apart during televised games. I bet there are some kids in Korea that are really good, but just can't get past recruitment/drafts etc because they just can't perform well under pressure.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On June 25 2007 22:27 Piano wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2007 22:18 GoOdJo wrote:
a majority of the players are young now and days anyways, sea is like 15- or 16 and flash is 15. i'm pretty sure bisu is only like 16 or 17, so its kind of hard to say "prodigy" since alot of the good players are really young anyways. But that being said i havent heard about that 12 year old kid who is like an apprentice to Pantech or whatever, you know what happened to him? i think sea is 18.. and i think bisu is older than 16/17. not too sure though. taeyang was seen next to nada at the recent pantech vs. samsung proleague match, dunno what he does for pantech though, the story is he trains with NaDa
Sea is 16 right now, Bisu was 17 when he won MSL and probably still is
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On June 25 2007 22:18 GoOdJo wrote:
But that being said i havent heard about that 12 year old kid who is like an apprentice to Pantech or whatever, you know what happened to him?
he just entered middle school.. got his progamer license in elementary
i think its Siz)Sun
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On June 25 2007 22:24 Locked wrote:
LOTS of progamers are hyped up (by other pros or by some early results) and don't make a smash hit because of nerves or not enough practice or not enough time yet or some other factor
a short list that i can think of is like...
T: sea, canata (hyped by SKT1), kos (so extremely hyped as best mechanic terran), hery, arguably midas or goodfriend (if only GF had beaten july), savior's terran (lol)
P: pusan or stork maybe (haven't won a big league yet), tester, terato for sure,
Z: rumble?, aqua (or was it magma)?, sigamari (when he was zerglee with SKT1), zergman (amazing online right), yellow[arnc],
then again some people really come through with it like bisu, nada, oov, NALRA, july!
PuSan and StorK are definatly NOT failed prodigies...
both have a series of results (albiet not firsts) which are quite formidable. And i think both are on the top 30 pros of all time? iirc
Canata is the ultimate example of a failed prodigy, you cant say that about sea who actually has some good results but is continually stopped by gorush...
Heres a nice failed progamer that we all hate; SHINHWA
The bastard kicked boxer out of his last OSL, and then went on to do jack shit  rahh still gets me angry
Aqua (thus far) isnt showing results; but its too soon to say he's a failure (maybe in another 6 months)
Midas and GF are not failed prodigies, they accomplished good results and were favourites in almost all mu's. Midas is just stupid, or unlucky (like when he met the inform pusan, and got crushed by savior). GF is just plain unlucky; despite his 'boring style', he's done very well.
I hate to say it, but Daezang is a failed pro imo, after tearing up the ro16 bloodbath for the spot boxer left in MSL, and showing us a damn good game against savior... he's done absolutely nothing which is really sad because i liked his play!!
dream.t)siva (now retired) is failed after making a splash in that boxer game ages ago,
thats all i can think of atm, but im not thinking very hard... might come back later if i get time
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On June 25 2007 22:18 GoOdJo wrote:
a majority of the players are young now and days anyways, sea is like 15- or 16 and flash is 15. i'm pretty sure bisu is only like 16 or 17, so its kind of hard to say "prodigy" since alot of the good players are really young anyways. But that being said i havent heard about that 12 year old kid who is like an apprentice to Pantech or whatever, you know what happened to him?
Sea[shield] - 17 years old (1990-3-29)
Bisu - 17 years old, going on 18 (1989-11-3)
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I think Light is kind of a failed prodigy.
He was doing well, then I dunno what happend, I haven't seen him as much lately as before.
Light/Hwasin were my favorite new pro's.
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Daezang left for the army didn't he?
I would say Canata's the biggest 'failed' progaming interest. He just shows pathetic results where we should expect a whole lot more. Sea is arguable of course, but at least he seems to go down to stronger players than Canata.
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I'm not sure if Casy is considered one since he won an OSL. He was revered as the Neo-Emperor for his godly micro vs zerg, but I guess his ZvT keeps him from being great, and he hasn't accomplished much as of late. I still remember some memorable games by him though, like that BO5 series versus [NC]...YellOw and that scv rush vs July.
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