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SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
June 26 2007 00:15 GMT
#61
LOL SINJI. OMFG
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7219 Posts
June 26 2007 02:05 GMT
#62
On June 26 2007 07:15 RowdierBob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2007 06:53 Sadist wrote:
crystal[inca] and ogogo


Meh I don't know if Crystal ever really showed much promise.

He was like Sinji_NT, Jinsu and Mumyung. Always making Starleagues but proving themselves to just be making up the numbers.



thats why hes failed

theres a difference between bein a respectable pro, and having finishes in tournaments but never winning, but crystal[inca] made it through prelims a bunch and then was whooped in the starleague.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51436 Posts
June 26 2007 05:24 GMT
#63
I reckon Rainbow is one of those failed prodigys.
Commentator
ApollyoN
Profile Joined April 2003
United States1297 Posts
June 26 2007 12:30 GMT
#64
IntoTheRain has to be considered as well, he was an incredible player but could never pull it together when it mattered due to his nerves. It's interesting now how its the terrans who arent living up to their billing. It seems like there has always been a dominating terran on the scene, starting with boxer then going to nada and oov. Now there are a lot of very good ones who are on the cusp of being great but cant take it to the next level, such as light, sea, midas, iris and canata. While oov and nada can still be championship contenders they are far from dominant. It will be interesting to see who steps up, as of now I think Firebathero may have made a huge step forward with his victory over savior and that flash has the potential to do it.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13004 Posts
June 26 2007 12:49 GMT
#65
On June 26 2007 11:05 Sadist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2007 07:15 RowdierBob wrote:
On June 26 2007 06:53 Sadist wrote:
crystal[inca] and ogogo


Meh I don't know if Crystal ever really showed much promise.

He was like Sinji_NT, Jinsu and Mumyung. Always making Starleagues but proving themselves to just be making up the numbers.



thats why hes failed

theres a difference between bein a respectable pro, and having finishes in tournaments but never winning, but crystal[inca] made it through prelims a bunch and then was whooped in the starleague.


Hrmm, you could add so many people to the list though if Crystal[Inca] is the qualifying standard.

Sinji, Jinsu, Mumyung, TheWind, Crystal, Oversky, Qoo)Max, [Oops]Cloud, Oddysay etc etc are but a few examples of guys who made it through the prelims a bunch of times only to get badly beaten again and again when it came to the crunch.

Nothing much was ever really expected of these players. I think failed prodigies implys they had a seemingly big future ahead of them in progaming and showed some promise (Canata, Junwi, Terato) only to never really reach the heights they were capable of achieving.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
cravy
Profile Joined October 2006
United States525 Posts
June 26 2007 12:58 GMT
#66
casy should be performing way better considering he won a OSL... instead he took a dive into oblivion and hasnt been seen since that 1st osl..
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-26 13:34:11
June 26 2007 13:17 GMT
#67
On June 26 2007 01:19 Piano wrote:
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On June 26 2007 00:54 Plexa wrote:
On June 25 2007 23:02 HaXxorIzed wrote:
Daezang left for the army didn't he?.

Ahhh please tell me its not true!! T.T
If he is, is he going to join Ace? when did he go?


Daezang will be joining Airforce Ace, along with Oversky.
Excellent
Ace is rapidly becoming my third fav team (behind mbc and khan)
No wonder hanbit is not doing that great/daezang hasnt been seen in a while
Should be good to see Ace with a proficient protoss


More failed pros;
Think players likeee... Hooney!! omg wtf happened to him.. he was hyped up to be as good as stork and advanced into a SL with him.. then like.. disappeared? Wtf? Pantech cant train p's!

Shine? He was so determined to get far, but like.. nothing has eventuated.. poor guy; read his ygclan interview too...

What about sync? Never got to recover from his curse the poor guy =[ who didnt like spark terran!

Free? This guy is so talented, but like.. never makes it in the individual leagues... whats up with that?

Jy; broke out onto the scene dominating for while; even taking down light... but then kinda faded away.. failed prodigy anyone?
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
June 26 2007 13:42 GMT
#68
What about Stork?

Stork has done absolutely nothing up to this point, I guess we'll judge him after the current MSL and OSL.

(Keep in mind that Stork was originally eliminated from the MSL being eliminated by Savior, only coming back because OverSky left for army)

It's interesting that Sea was mentioned in the original post, because both him and Stork were named by the Emperor to be the next best thing in progaming history (along with Savior).
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
June 26 2007 13:46 GMT
#69
Too much focused attention on Stork...

Same thing with Canata, who was supposedly the second best thing after Sea, but he too, never got anywhere.

Zergman? YellowA? I don't know if they qualify, but at one point in their career, a lot of people believed in them =)
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Hovden
Profile Joined June 2007
Bulgaria29 Posts
June 26 2007 14:00 GMT
#70
ZergMan my fav pro , at least i dont remember what have he done , or even have he done anything memorable ~~ best zvz and poorest zvt ive seen in progaming!
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
June 26 2007 14:00 GMT
#71
canata blows
just saw his match against forgg
WIN PLZ
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-26 14:07:15
June 26 2007 14:05 GMT
#72
On June 26 2007 22:42 Cambium wrote:
What about Stork?

Stork has done absolutely nothing up to this point, I guess we'll judge him after the current MSL and OSL.

(Keep in mind that Stork was originally eliminated from the MSL being eliminated by Savior, only coming back because OverSky left for army)

It's interesting that Sea was mentioned in the original post, because both him and Stork were named by the Emperor to be the next best thing in progaming history (along with Savior).
Okay, stork wasnt doing well in 06 however...
In ever 2 osl he was the winner of the ODT making him the 4th seed
Went 1-2 tied in his group;
3 way tie braker between Xellos/Stork/Yellow happened, Xellos advanced (GF went 3-0)
In So1 he made osl but lost 0-3 (reach goodfriend and oversky in group)
In Shinhan 05, he went 1-2 along with iris (boxer/july in his group as well)
Didn't make Shinhan 1
Didn't make Shinhan 2
Didn't make Shinhan 3
And thats his history since ever 2 w.r.t. OSL

And now that i look at it.. its actually kinda crap o.O;; i remember him being so much more fearsome than those stats reflect

Actually, thats probably because his strength was PL, and well... carried his team (with jju and siga) through to the finals with T1..
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Hovden
Profile Joined June 2007
Bulgaria29 Posts
June 26 2007 14:08 GMT
#73
Stork so much sucked some time ago that i stopped watching the scene hehe!
Make7UpYours
Profile Joined October 2003
893 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-26 14:49:19
June 26 2007 14:12 GMT
#74
Eh, I don't think Yellow or Junwi really count as failed prodigies. Just because you never got first doesn't make you a failure. There are numerous examples in sports or other competitive games where great players were simply stopped short by other great players. Yellow had the misfortune of playing during Boxer's prime. Junwi had the misfortune of peaking at the same time as Chojja (remember ZvZ was Junwi's weak matchup), and Zeus (weak PvP) had similar misfortune in peaking with Nal_rA and Kingdom.

I think the real busts are those players who've been hyped up but have really done NOTHING. People have mentioned Terato and Canata and I think they're the best examples. I think at one point mensrea was talking about Terato as the next big thing. There were anecdotes of complaints being made at an amateur tournament that Terato must be a pro because he was just too good. His speed was supposed to be unreal. But all he's done is make one decent run in a MSL. Seems an awful short list of accomplishments for someone who was supposed to be the next savior of toss.

EDIT: Also I feel what defines a lot these failed prodigies is the obscene amount of attention they received before they had won anything or even played a starleague game. The expectations for players such as Junwi or Sync were fueled more by what they achieved in the starleagues than pronouncements made by superstar teammates or exuberant coaches/managers. No one expected Sync to win NATE, but when he did people prepared to crown a new Terran star that never quite emerged. That's way different from someone like Canata who was put in the spotlight by Oov's comment about him as the next great SKT1 terran before he had made so much as an OGN dual league appearance.
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
June 26 2007 15:19 GMT
#75
Holy shit Bisu's 17?!
We see things they'll never see
XCetron
Profile Joined November 2006
5226 Posts
June 26 2007 15:20 GMT
#76
On June 27 2007 00:19 Tensai176 wrote:
Holy shit Bisu's 17?!


he should be 18 this year if I remember correctly. By korean standard hes 19 though.
At least it says so in an article I saw last week somewhere. The part where hes 19.
RebelHeart
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
New Zealand722 Posts
June 26 2007 16:11 GMT
#77
Savior, Sea, Stork
"Love the Lord your God, and love your neighbour as you love yourself. If you do these things you're doing well" - Phil Joel
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51436 Posts
June 26 2007 16:19 GMT
#78
On June 27 2007 01:11 RebelHeart wrote:
Savior


You've gotta be fucking kidding me.
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KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
June 26 2007 16:24 GMT
#79
On June 27 2007 01:11 RebelHeart wrote:
Savior, Sea, Stork


Yeah...should have put Nada in there too.



/sarcasm
eSTRO for life | #2 Sea.Really fan! | #1 GosI[Flying] fan! | Clide - best SC2 terran!
PanoRaMa
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States5069 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-26 17:00:52
June 26 2007 17:00 GMT
#80
Reading this makes me wish there was like a "Where Are They Now?" article done or something. I really want to know where people like kOs went. Imagine them working at like burger king now because of their failure, and behind them as they take orders is a small TV on OGN or MBC talking about the successes of their old teammates.
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