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On November 20 2013 12:00 Mocsta wrote: post 1 Yo fuck the POLICE true dat | ||
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On November 20 2013 12:12 Aquanim wrote: Also, it gave you something to ask me about, so as a conversation starter I consider it a success. What are your conclusions about moc's alignment based on his answer? | ||
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mocsta is ineligible because him and I are already confirmed town to each other | ||
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no | ||
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that scib is mafia? that he's town and you don't like his play? what? | ||
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On November 20 2013 12:57 cDgCorazon wrote: I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game. Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter. | ||
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^^^ this is not meant to absolve you from answering the question | ||
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On November 20 2013 13:43 cDgCorazon wrote: @Thrawn When I made that post, I was thinking along the lines of "I think sci's actions are looking pretty scummy." In my opinion, if he was trying to create a good town atmosphere in the start, he did a very poor job of doing so. That's why I was thinking (and still am) that sciberia is scum. Okay. You thought his actions were scummy. Here is what you said: On November 20 2013 12:57 cDgCorazon wrote: I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game. Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter. You gave two interpretations of scib's play. The first being that he doesn't understand early game trolling, the second being that he's trying to rock the boat. I'm not sure how those two are different but that is not what I have issue with. The problem I see is that neither of those interpretations allow for you to, in your own words, "think sci's actions are looking pretty scummy." How is not being aware of early game trolling scummy? How is wanting to get discussion going early scummy? Both of those options seem to imply that you think he's town, which is the opposite of what you claimed your read on him at the time to actually be. Scib, can you explain your intentions behind this post? On November 20 2013 12:17 sciberbia wrote: I think Cora is most likely to be scum so far. His entrance to the thread is what I would describe as very 'safe'. It's trolly, ingratiating, and echoes what Mocsta already said. agree or disagree. Were you trying to raise a legitimate concern about Corazon's post? | ||
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On November 20 2013 15:37 sciberbia wrote: @thrawn I legitimately thought Cora was the scummiest person in the thread at the time (if by the tiniest of margins). My intention was mainly to get interesting discussion started. That is a very interesting response. When I initially saw your first post I thought, "I like scib's post, it looks like he's trying to bait reactions or somesuch townie tactic because there is no way that he could actually be serious about this!" Here's why.. On November 20 2013 12:14 Bereft wrote: THE POPO AINT SHUTTIN US DOWN These posts came before your comment on Mocsta. Aren't they both as "safe" and "trolly" as what Corazon did? Why did you decide that only Corazon deserved to be called out for what bereft and I also did? One of your concerns with C's post is that it "echoes what Mocsta said." Typically a point like this can be valid when someone restates another's argument, and the reason why it would be scummy is because it means the person who "echoes" has to "echo" because they cannot produce content of their own. Are you really trying to suggest that Corazon didn't know what to say, so he decided to copy Mocsta, and is therefore scummy? That argument completely falls apart when you're talking about something so silly and non-alignment indicative as saying "fuck the police." | ||
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So why did you think Corazon was scummy for ctrl+c/+v'ing what Mocsta said? | ||
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On November 20 2013 15:56 Mocsta wrote: Post 14 @Thrawn: What do you think of Rean response. I don't have a problem that he said I might be a touch tunneled. I would prefer town tell me that. I am slightly concerned that it seems to be a big "+1" post and I dont really know what his stance is. Hence, what is the point of the comment? I came very close to writing out something very similar to what Rean said. I was also going to remind you of what you said about Cor's emotions. Be careful with that and I don't think I need to actually say what I'm thinking for you to know what I'm driving at. That is why I unvoted. So nah, it didn't bother me too much. I get what you're saying but I'm not holding it against him because it's something I would tell you if we were masoned. | ||
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He starts the game by asking the "are you scum" question. When questioned about this he says he has a slight town read on Mocsta. In his next post after giving Mocsta the "teeny tiny town read" he expands upon the reasoning for said town read with way more words than are needed. Later in that post he comments on things that aren't related to scumhunting. He ends that same post with a question to Corazon but the question is not framed in a way that it looks like he is suspicious of Corazon. He then asks rean a similar sounding question, and posts another question for Corazon. None of it looks like scumhunting because I don't sense any hint of accusation behind any of the questions. After those series of questions comes a larger post where he gives me a townread, and says he doesn't like Corazon's case but he doesn't call Corazon scum for it. Then there's another non-accusatory question to rean, and he asks a nonsensical and completely useless question about vig shots. He asks who would mocsta shoot, but says that this doesn't mean he's asking for a scumread. What use is a vig shot other than to shoot a scumread? It doesn't make any sense at all and I don't see how he was trying to help town by asking it. So what is his filter comprised of? Town reads, overly lengthy explanations for things that aren't important, weak questions that don't look like he's actually looking for scum, and a completely useless question about vig-shots. ##vote: aquanim | ||
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On November 20 2013 16:42 Aquanim wrote: Probably you. I don't like how easily you swallowed Corazon's case on sciberbia, given that I felt it was sketchy at best. I also don't see any particular purpose behind your posting so far - you've offered some observations when prompted but I don't see you trying to get more information and learn more about the motivations of other players, besides some half-assed and half-hearted pressuring of myself (which you tried to prompt someone else to do). In fact, the more I think about your filter the less I like it. ##Vote: Rean I'd give some consideration to shooting Corazon but even if I was convinced he was scum I think I'd learn much more from lynching him than by simply shooting him. This post is obviously fake. This is the first time Aquanim commits to a scum read, and the way he does it does not look natural. He cites Corazon's case as being "sketchy at best" when earlier he gave Corazon a null read for it, because he could see how town Corazon could make the case. Seeing how a town C can make a case and calling him null does not match up with aquanim thinking the case was "sketchy at best." This means that this reason for thinking rean is scum is completely made up. After that point Aquanim talks about rean's play as a whole but I think his summary applies more to himself than it does to Rean. On top of that his allegations are false... Rean has made posts where he appears to be trying to discern alignments. Go find them, it's easy. It took me about 2 seconds after opening his filter. If it took me 2 seconds to reach the opposite conclusion Aquanim did.... something's not right. On November 20 2013 16:48 Aquanim wrote: Short answer to Thrawn's case: I've been messing around a bit and not committing much because I'm concerned, having looked at the players who are yet to post, that if we present them with a fait accompli lynch on Corazon they'd just sheep and we'd learn nothing about them today. I figured that by holding off on my vote and being able to address them from a position of neutrality I might be able to get something out of them. Obviously this plan has backfired, but I figure if you're going to come after me that gives them an interesting choice to make so hopefully we'll still get something useful out of them. For the same reason, I voted Rean above for the purposes of running a second wagon and introducing a choice. I'd cheerfully vote Corazon as well, his failure to actually vote for sciberbia despite his constant accusations is pretty damning. In this post he is acknowledging that everything I said about him was correct. He's not scumhunting, etc. His excuse for this is that he's concerned that people might just come in and sheep the Corazon lynch? This is a very weak excuse for not being suspicious of anything and not trying to scumhunt. If he didn't want the thread to only talk about Corazon he could have just as easily found something else to talk about. His case and vote for Rean does not count as him trying to do this because Rean nearly forced him into it. He says he voted Rean to open a second wagon. So what does that mean? He wasn't actually that suspicious of Rean and he truly isn't suspicious of anything? I'm not buying it. Another thing I didn't like about this defense is that he was neither suspicious of my motives, nor did he get angry, frustrated, annoyed, etc at me for being a bad townie via my reading him incorrectly. I was very emphatic about my opinion that he is mafia and I expect him to reply with either of the two responses I just mentioned. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 13:20 Aquanim wrote: @Corazon I'd like you to elaborate more on why you think sciberbia is scum. I don't entirely understand your argument at present. On November 20 2013 13:45 Aquanim wrote: I reckon Thrawn's town because I liked the vote on Corazon. That is the kind of action which will get us doing truly productive things. (His unvote doesn't change that.) On November 20 2013 13:45 Aquanim wrote: I don't much like Corazon's case on sciberbia but I can think of reasons why Corazon would make that argument as town, regardless of how good it is. I'm still null on Corazon but I'm very interested in what he chooses to do next. On November 20 2013 16:42 Aquanim wrote: I don't like how easily you swallowed Corazon's case on sciberbia, given that I felt it was sketchy at best. ....... I'd give some consideration to shooting Corazon but even if I was convinced he was scum I think I'd learn much more from lynching him than by simply shooting him. On November 20 2013 16:48 Aquanim wrote: I'd cheerfully vote Corazon as well, his failure to actually vote for sciberbia despite his constant accusations is pretty damning. On November 20 2013 17:21 Aquanim wrote: I always thought Corazon's case on sciberbia was bad. That's not inconsistent with my opinion that Corazon could be town having made that case. There were two possibilities: - Corazon was town and honestly mistaken - Corazon was making a case to generate discussion and wasn't particularly concerned with its quality. On November 20 2013 17:21 Aquanim wrote: I'm about as confident that Rean is scum as Corazon, perhaps a little less, which is compensated by the advantages of opening up a second wagon. On November 20 2013 17:25 Aquanim wrote:\ Okay, let me rephrase that. I don't see any town-motivated purpose to Corazon's posting so far. If he thinks Sciberbia is scum, why isn't he voting for him? If he isn't confident Sciberbia is scum, why is he pushing the Sciberbia-scum argument so vehemently? I think Corazon's case is bad but obviously he doesn't. Corazon's vote doesn't have to be consistent with my opinion of his case, it has to be consistent with his opinion - and it's not. It is a very convoluted thought process. It doesn't make sense and his position seems to very depending on what he needs to say in order to sufficiently answer a question as to avoid suspicion. He doesn't like C's case, he can see how a town C would make the case, he doesn't see anything town-motivated about Corazon's play, here are two possibilities of how a town Corazon could have made the case, and he's more confident that Corazon is scum than he is that Rean is scum. To add to all that, one of his main criticisms of Corazon is that Corazon isn't voting for his scumread. Neither is Aquanim by his own admission that he isn't as confident about Rean as he is about Corazon. | ||
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