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Zero vs Mind (Best of 7) Announcement

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lemmata
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
468 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-29 01:21:47
November 10 2013 19:50 GMT
#1
VODs (spoiler)
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Could someone upload these VODs to Youtube? Also, if anyone recorded the Zergman commentary stream, it would be awesome if that could be uploaded and added to the Small VOD Thread as well.

These are links to Afreeca VODs that can be viewed without special software. However, the buffering can be insufferable depending on the time of access and your location.
Mind's stream recording
ZerO's stream recording (starts after about 10 minutes of practice/talk)


Post-match update and some comments on the process (edit: in spoiler tags b/c it might be long):
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The match took almost 2 months and 40 emails to put together and I learned a couple of things about organizing things with Korean players.
  • A real-time method of communication, such as Skype or some sort of chat, is desirable for organizing future events. The players do not check e-mail that frequently because they all prefer text messages (or Kakao Talk). I think that I will try to use Kakao Talk for future communications.
  • The players are scary serious about winning because it is a matter of pride and reputation, especially when many people are watching.
  • The players are very resistant to playing on maps they have not played recently. This has a lot to do with the previous point. Even maps like Andromeda, Gladiator, and (to a lesser extent) New Bloody Ridge, which were used in the most recent OSLs were met with some resistance. All of these maps have match-up specific sim city layouts and builds they wanted to spend extra effort on reviewing. Gladiator was dropped as a compromise.
  • My observation is that having someone popular cast the match hurts the bottom line of the players to some extent because it splits the viewership. The commentators also have a positive effect of increasing overall viewership, so the income loss is not serious, but it is still there. In the case of the more popular commentators like Zergman, they can take a lot of the viewership. This is probably why, these days, Zergman tries to find sponsors first and then recruits players afterwards. I still think that commentary and observer streams add a lot though. FPV is sometimes too much for me.
  • As an alternative, I think that it would be a good idea in the future to have 3-player match ups so that each player can sit out a match and commentate, which would lead to a more fair sharing of viewership.
  • Some players are better at real life stuff and computer stuff than others. You need to patient enough to guide them through certain tasks that involve web sites and tools that Koreans do not use. Of course, there are exceptions like Movie, who apparent has set up Twitch and PayPal.
  • Movie was asked to observe the match and stream on Twitch, and he was okay with it in principle, but the timing was not right because he had to be in China.
  • Mind is nice and polite. He is also capable of chatting in broken English on a very limited number of topics (On the linked stream, we see him chatting briefly with a random Twitch viewer on Fish after the match concludes). Communication in English is not really an option for more important things. My correspondence with Mind was in Korean.


The match has concluded. The information about the match is quoted below:
ZerO and Mind will play a best of 7 match in an event match called "The Neuron Starleague (NSL)". The schedule has been finalized. Each player's Afreeca stream will show his FPV and their will be a Korean commentator (Zergman) who will cast as an observer on his own stream.

Format: 1v1 best of 7
Time: Korean Standard Time, Saturday 2013-12-28, 9PM
In local time: Saturday, Dec 28 12:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Prize Pool: $100 for the winner, $50 for the loser, $50 to the organizer
Map Pool: New Sniper Ridge, Circuit Breaker, Andromeda, New Bloody Ridge, Neo Jade

Due to all the delays, ZerO and Mind have gotten a lot of practice. It should be a fun match.


OLD UPDATE #1:
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Looks like it might take another week because of Zero's schedule. This might be a good thing because Zero still seems to have some rust that he needs to shake off (From what little I managed to hear on his stream, it sounds like he felt compelled to reveal himself before he was ready once his Fish server ID TheCute was exposed). The players also requested that they need to go back and study the TvZ simcity for these maps, which really surprised me. That might be a signal that they want to play it seriously. They want to play one game on Fighting Spirit because of that, which I am trying to resist, but we will see.

By the way, apparently Zero lives on the southern tip of the Korean peninsula. It takes him five hours by bus to reach Seoul. The time and monetary costs of travel to a studio are nontrivial, so we probably shouldn't expect that to happen unless there are some fortunate coincidences.

About opening up the pool for donations, I think that's an awesome idea, but I want to make sure this test run goes smoothly before we try more ambitious community projects. It would be a shame if I wasted other people's money on a test run. I don't want that on my conscience. Plus, I am swamped at work at the moment, which makes additional coordination a little difficult.


Original Post:
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For the last few weeks, I've been in communication with Mind to arrange a competitive exhibition match between Zero and Mind. Zero has now agreed in principle to the match.

The map pool will be: New Sniper's Ridge/Gladiator Circuit Breaker (by pros' request)/Andromeda/New Bloody Ridge

The winner will be awarded $100 and the runner-up will receive $50.

More details will be forthcoming (and updated here), but it is quite likely to take place next weekend [maybe one more week; see update], so keep your eyes open for updates.
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11143 Posts
November 10 2013 20:14 GMT
#2
nice, ZvT
brood war for life, brood war forever
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
November 10 2013 20:21 GMT
#3
You should open up the pool for donations
Or alternatively make it a semi regular (as often as you can) KOTH type tournament like the IPL Fightclub was, with the winner taking on a new challenger each time, if people donated enough for a prizepool to keep the idea going.
HOLY CHECK!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4978 Posts
November 10 2013 20:28 GMT
#4
bo7 and 4 maps? Get at least 5 maps please. + Show Spoiler +
Maybe a Freakling map!!
FBH #1!
L3gendary
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1470 Posts
November 10 2013 21:54 GMT
#5
Siick. I've been looking forward to finally see Zero play.
Watching Jaedong play purifies my eyes. -Coach Ju Hoon
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
November 10 2013 21:56 GMT
#6
Zero already looking good, should be interesting.
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
AleXoundOS
Profile Joined January 2011
Georgia457 Posts
November 10 2013 22:22 GMT
#7
On November 11 2013 05:28 s.Q.uelched wrote:
bo7 and 4 maps? Get at least 5 maps please. + Show Spoiler +
Maybe a Freakling map!!

Yes, Oxide!
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
November 10 2013 22:22 GMT
#8
ZvT is the best!
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
November 10 2013 22:30 GMT
#9
Make them play in the new studio!
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
November 10 2013 22:43 GMT
#10
I think it will come down to who's in better shape.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
lemmata
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
468 Posts
November 10 2013 23:18 GMT
#11
On November 11 2013 05:28 s.Q.uelched wrote:
bo7 and 4 maps? Get at least 5 maps please. + Show Spoiler +
Maybe a Freakling map!!

I think that it's too late to change the maps for this particular match because the players were informed already, but more maps would be a good idea for future matches.
On November 11 2013 05:21 Lonyo wrote:
Or alternatively make it a semi regular (as often as you can) KOTH type tournament like the IPL Fightclub was, with the winner taking on a new challenger each time, if people donated enough for a prizepool to keep the idea going.

All of these seem like fun ideas. One of my secondary goals in setting up this match was to see if Korean Brood War matches/events could be crowd-funded by the Western community (I live in Canada). I am using my own funds to test out the idea this time. We should see how this experiment goes first though.
On November 11 2013 07:30 Xiphos wrote:
Make them play in the new studio!

That would be awesome, but travel is an issue for the players, not to mention the potential rental fees we might have to pay Sonic if we wanted to use the space.
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
November 11 2013 00:23 GMT
#12
My fav matchup with my top 3 zergs
sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2547 Posts
November 11 2013 00:51 GMT
#13
Glad to see a variety of map.. FS all the time is really boring imo
Jaedong Fighting! | youtube.com/ZikGaming
miercat
Profile Joined November 2011
394 Posts
November 11 2013 02:04 GMT
#14
ZerO vs Mind is a good match up. I will watch. Thanks for setting it up.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
November 11 2013 02:55 GMT
#15
On November 11 2013 05:21 Lonyo wrote:
You should open up the pool for donations
Or alternatively make it a semi regular (as often as you can) KOTH type tournament like the IPL Fightclub was, with the winner taking on a new challenger each time, if people donated enough for a prizepool to keep the idea going.

this. Can get more money for the winner
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
November 11 2013 08:03 GMT
#16
If it becomes open to donations maybe also give them an extra week to prepare.
KTY
Medry *
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada166 Posts
November 11 2013 08:21 GMT
#17
Hype! Hype! So much awesome BW action lately. Cant wait for this to happen. Hopefully this becomes a regular thing! I would love to donate money for stuff like this in the future
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Rigodon666
Profile Joined November 2006
Canada183 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-11 08:35:57
November 11 2013 08:35 GMT
#18
I totally agree that we should open that to donation. I will participate to the financing of the rebirth of BW.
I'll call the guy who will call Nada
Mewka
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland1458 Posts
November 11 2013 11:01 GMT
#19
maybe use Sonic studio ?
Mewka, Mewka[AoV], Fox.Mewka, Mewman
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
November 12 2013 06:07 GMT
#20
On November 11 2013 20:01 Mewka wrote:
maybe use Sonic studio ?


That might work. Ask for it!
KTY
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