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blubbdavid

Switzerland2412 Posts

September 08 2013 21:08 GMT

#30

/in

blubbdavid

Switzerland2412 Posts

September 11 2013 22:12 GMT

#95

Good evening Gentlemen.

blubbdavid

Switzerland2412 Posts

September 12 2013 12:01 GMT

#277

I went to bed after saying hi.

I have my eye on Koshi. Not only have his opening posts been as useful as a wet sack of dead flies, that scumhunting of his against SnB

SnB is feeling uncomfortable.

Not having the best start SnB? D:

and some other posts have led to that bandwagon. A very not so justified wagon.

further:

On September 12 2013 20:19 Koshi wrote:

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Reasons are in the thread.
SnB for the start + he hasn't given me a better target.
WoS for general uselessness.
Pandain for worst opening post.
Goodkarma, not impressed.

On September 12 2013 08:28 Koshi wrote:
This looks so much like Sicilian. I am leading SnB wagon of justice and VA his scumbuddy is trying to protect him. Could it be? Or not? Who knows. See what happens in the next episode "when Koshi wakes up".
for now ##Vote: Koshi
gn

SnB has very well given you a scumtarget in the form of VA.
Now SnB and VA are not on my scumradar, they rather look like two butthurt townies. But I will look into them further.

and lastly:

On September 12 2013 13:35 kushm4sta wrote:
honestly i dont even care if i get mislynched d1. d1 sucks azz anyway.

/martyr

If you want to help town, then how should this post be useful in anyway?

blubbdavid

Switzerland2412 Posts

September 12 2013 12:05 GMT

#280

Forgot to add:
##Vote: Koshi
And I will also look into Grack, don't like his posting.

blubbdavid

Switzerland2412 Posts

September 12 2013 12:13 GMT

#283

On September 12 2013 21:07 Koshi wrote:
@blubbdavid
1) Are you telling me that SnB said VA is scum?
2) The reason for my vote on SnB was not because those 2 little thingies you quoted. The reason why it is still on SnB is because.

Oh looks like I confused him with papa. sry for that. But I still find it suspicious that you press on SnB so much because of because.

The reason why it is still on SnB is because.

What do you think about VA.

blubbdavid

Switzerland2412 Posts

September 12 2013 12:31 GMT

#291

Atm I have three scumreads:
Koshi, Grack and Kush

Koshi for aforementioned reasons.
Kush for his valuable contributions.
And Grack:

On September 12 2013 14:31 Grackaroni wrote:

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1Pandain came into the thread with a long constructed post but he didn't analyze shit.
2He gave out some town reads that agreed with town sentiment.
3His reasoning for S&B being town is absolute bull. (S&B saw Debears post in a newbie game currently in signups, HOW DOES THAT EQUATE TO S&B GOING OUTSIDE THE GAME AND LOOKING FOR MAFIA??)
4He writes to a whole lot of nothing about OP (why did you even include that if you've made no conclusion off of it?
5And to top it off he then says that me and kush are BAD players so we are the top lynch choices
6Now when I called him out on him being more interested in lynching people for being bad than scum he says that we should focus on lurkers.
I don't believe that Pandain has any interest in hunting scum.
##Vote: Pandain

I disagree here with points 1,3,4,5
1. wut
3. have you already made out of thread investigation, Grack?
4. wut
5. you two should be lynched because of scum behaviour, not because you are bad

On September 12 2013 16:08 Grackaroni wrote:

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I thought that at first glance, but I have a hard time believing that when he ends his read on me with, I'm not sure if he's scum. What I read out of that post is that he is most interested in policy lynching the weaker players.

Lets get real, Kush playing anti-town is nothing new from him. He does it as both alignments. If he doesn't start contributing, we vig him and we move on. Lynches should be used on players we can actually analyze.

I've only been scum one time and I was called out immediately by syllogism for wanting to policy lynch someone I called a weaker player. I see pandain displaying similar behavior.

Aside from that i think that scum generally come in the middle of the day with long constructed posts such as these, this one in particular gave very little analysis. After that he peaced out. WoS made a post like this as well but it was clear to me that he was actually trying to analyze my behavior.

Defending your scum comrade much, leaving him to the vig, if there is one?

On September 12 2013 16:49 Grackaroni wrote:

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Hey Koshi, since you're here what do you think of my case on Pandain? Can you expand upon your read beyond bad entrance.

Hey scumrade, since you're here and in the scum QT anyway, why don't we press together against Pandain? Can you help me find more stuff so that it looks legit.

blubbdavid

Switzerland2412 Posts

September 12 2013 12:39 GMT

#295

On September 12 2013 21:20 Koshi wrote:

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I am not lynching VA first day. Unless crazy happens.

Fair enough.
May I have your opinion on Grack?

blubbdavid

Switzerland2412 Posts

September 12 2013 16:22 GMT

#342

On September 13 2013 00:53 Grackaroni wrote:

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On September 13 2013 00:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On September 13 2013 00:33 Grackaroni wrote:
@Rayn, Could you write out your opinion of Blubdavid.

I agree with some points he brought up against you:

1Pandain came into the thread with a long constructed post but he didn't analyze shit.
2He gave out some town reads that agreed with town sentiment.
3His reasoning for S&B being town is absolute bull. (S&B saw Debears post in a newbie game currently in signups, HOW DOES THAT EQUATE TO S&B GOING OUTSIDE THE GAME AND LOOKING FOR MAFIA??)
4He writes to a whole lot of nothing about OP (why did you even include that if you've made no conclusion off of it?
5And to top it off he then says that me and kush are BAD players so we are the top lynch choices
6Now when I called him out on him being more interested in lynching people for being bad than scum he says that we should focus on lurkers.

I disagree here with points 1,3,4,5
1. wut
3. have you already made out of thread investigation, Grack?
4. wut
5. you two should be lynched because of scum behaviour, not because you are bad

1. I agree with him. Pandain analyzed people and gave opinions.
2. I'm interested in hearing from both of you & Blubb about this:
2a) You: What you say is incorrect. Pandain did not give town reads that agreed with thread sentiment. Btw why do you use wording "town sentiment"?
2b) Blubb: Why did you not comment on this point at all? This is probably the strongest point in your case against Grack?
3. I don't understand Blubb and i agree with you, Pandain's reasoning for SnB being town is shit.
4. Actually there is a conclusion, it's "watch out for this guy", i agree with the concusion Pandain came to, because that's exactly how i felt when i read Old Partner's posts.
5. That's certainly not what Pandain said.
6. This is wrong because that was not the point in the first place. I dunno however why Pandain did not correct you, or why Blubb is not bringing this up in his case.

Other than what i said, Blubb's case is crap. Anything else is nothing alignment indicative and is a pre-flip association that's bad. Does not make either one of you scum though.

Could you elaborate on my point (2), as i assked you to earlier?

There's not much to it, it's a non-contribution. I think if Pandain came in and gave some reasoning for why somebody people were supicous of was town then he would be adding something.
If pandain was arguing I was scum why did he use the word "bad", and then say at the end I'm not sure if he's scum and then post a paragraph afterwards on policy lynching Kush. I interpreted it as grack sucks, he's not confident in his reads, etc - let's just get rid of him.

I didn't comment on point 2 because I don't disagree with Grackaroni there. Pandain's townreads were mainstreamlined at that time. (or better: Pandain's townreads were similar to mine, so I had not too much reason to interfere)
Point 6: Tbh I don't know myself why I didn't comment on this one, yes Grack seems to be wrong in this case.

On September 13 2013 01:17 Grackaroni wrote:

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On September 13 2013 01:15 Grackaroni wrote:

On September 13 2013 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On September 13 2013 01:03 Grackaroni wrote:

On September 13 2013 01:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On September 13 2013 00:58 Grackaroni wrote:
@Rayn, thread sentiment would be better worded. It's not a scumslip, when I say town I mean town as a whole. aka the thread.

yeah yeah, could you just answer the questions, that was a part of it only.

On September 13 2013 00:54 Grackaroni wrote:

On September 13 2013 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sno_man and Grack: Could you go through Pandain's & Old Partner's posts and tell me which one of those guys has shared more thoughts that contribute towards this game?

lol please don't make me read through that guys posts

This is the same thing i feel about Axlegreaser. Still, every time i read his posts multiple times and every time i can't understand anything he says. Trust me, this is way easier..

I'm not sure what I didn't answer? I've covered just about everything throughout my last posts.
Lots of people were saying vayne was town at the time and I believe that people were less sure about GK but had a similar opinion.

Oh sorry, i missed this post:

On September 13 2013 00:53 Grackaroni wrote:

On September 13 2013 00:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On September 13 2013 00:33 Grackaroni wrote:
@Rayn, Could you write out your opinion of Blubdavid.

I agree with some points he brought up against you:

1Pandain came into the thread with a long constructed post but he didn't analyze shit.
2He gave out some town reads that agreed with town sentiment.
3His reasoning for S&B being town is absolute bull. (S&B saw Debears post in a newbie game currently in signups, HOW DOES THAT EQUATE TO S&B GOING OUTSIDE THE GAME AND LOOKING FOR MAFIA??)
4He writes to a whole lot of nothing about OP (why did you even include that if you've made no conclusion off of it?
5And to top it off he then says that me and kush are BAD players so we are the top lynch choices
6Now when I called him out on him being more interested in lynching people for being bad than scum he says that we should focus on lurkers.

I disagree here with points 1,3,4,5
1. wut
3. have you already made out of thread investigation, Grack?
4. wut
5. you two should be lynched because of scum behaviour, not because you are bad

1. I agree with him. Pandain analyzed people and gave opinions.
2. I'm interested in hearing from both of you & Blubb about this:
2a) You: What you say is incorrect. Pandain did not give town reads that agreed with thread sentiment. Btw why do you use wording "town sentiment"?
2b) Blubb: Why did you not comment on this point at all? This is probably the strongest point in your case against Grack?
3. I don't understand Blubb and i agree with you, Pandain's reasoning for SnB being town is shit.
4. Actually there is a conclusion, it's "watch out for this guy", i agree with the concusion Pandain came to, because that's exactly how i felt when i read Old Partner's posts.
5. That's certainly not what Pandain said.
6. This is wrong because that was not the point in the first place. I dunno however why Pandain did not correct you, or why Blubb is not bringing this up in his case.

Other than what i said, Blubb's case is crap. Anything else is nothing alignment indicative and is a pre-flip association that's bad. Does not make either one of you scum though.

Could you elaborate on my point (2), as i assked you to earlier?

I don't think you are right.
His read on VA is not following the thread sentiment, for example you yourself think VA is not necessarily town, as do other people. His read on GK is not following the thread sentiment, most people thought GK was scummy because of that comment, i agree with Pandain. His reasoning for the read on SnB is shit as said earlier. His read on OP is golden imo. Everybody should vote for that guy. His read on you is not following the thread sentiment, i can understand why he thinks what he says about you, i do not agree with him though. I am not even gonna go to the kush read. Kush needs to be given time. He either starts playing, if he does not, we lynch/vig him. Discussing/pressuring him does nothing good. I can however understand his policy.

His read on me was following thread sentiment, I believe Vayne and WoS both called me scummy before this. I could have been wrong about GK.

Could you respond to my biggest point in my post about Blubdavid about him not exhibiting a townie mindset. The quotes of me he posted didn't point towards me being scum. He decided in his head beforehand that he was going to call me scummy and then cherry picked quotes and inserted a scummy twist on them.

This to me seems like behavior that would come from a less experienced scum player, and his choice of lynch targets helps reinforce that view.

2/3 of my choice in lynchtargets weren't on the bandwagoning side, I chose you additionally because you tried to shoot down Paindain's big post pretty strongly.
And no, that what I did wasn't cherry picking. More like your post on Panda was cherrypicking.

blubbdavid

Switzerland2412 Posts

September 12 2013 16:24 GMT

#345

And what are you, Hufflepuff?
I am awaiting your analysis on me.

blubbdavid

Switzerland2412 Posts

September 12 2013 16:25 GMT

#346

EPWOP: @VA

blubbdavid

Switzerland2412 Posts

September 12 2013 16:46 GMT

#363

On September 13 2013 01:26 VayneAuthority wrote:

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blubbdavid I would like your opinion on what you think of my analysis, it will tell me a lot of your alignment.

Ok so you pick a random person that is pretty much null to everyone in Koshi and decide to push him. ok great.

but wait your entire case just consists of his posting is "bad" which isn't really indicative of anything, just your opinion. Also note that koshi plays way worse as town.

You then go on to say that me and SnB just look like "butthurt" townies, perhaps trying to somehow gain some cred with us but then you leave us open to suspicion by saying "you will look into us later"

wtf?

then for good measure you throw in a bad kush quote and say that the posting is trash, well ok we all knew that. illusionary participation.

I don't see how your analysis makes me lynchworthy.
If I were scum, then I don't see how my actions should lead to anything that could be harmful to town. Now, you could say that I am bad scum, but consider that even a bad scum should have teammates who back him and lead him. And I have more confidence into my scum play than my town play.

Picking koshi may seem random, I picked him because his posts rubbed me the wrong way and I didn't want to meddle with the SnB bandwagon then. Is this scummy? Well it could be scummy if SnB were scum.
Koshi's push against SnB then was even less justified then my read on Koshi.

You guys being "butthurt" (maybe a good phrasing sry) was my first glance opinion. I wanted to look into you guys later because first I wanted to get rid of my post against Koshi.

I don't see how the kush quote is bad, him playing the martyr is not helpful. Does he really play Anti-town as town?
Admittedly, I overlooked/forgot some things about Grack, but I don't see how this is scummy.

And Grack, happy that you have a reason?

blubbdavid

Switzerland2412 Posts

September 12 2013 16:49 GMT

#364

EBWOP: Wanted to say that "butthurt" is a bad phrasing. I used because I think that it was some usual day 1 fight were two townies were accusing each other, as scum wants it.

blubbdavid

Switzerland2412 Posts

September 12 2013 16:59 GMT

#370

On September 13 2013 01:52 Sn0_Man wrote:

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So you are admitting that your VOTE on koshi wasn't justified at all?

Yep, this guy is scum.

PS NMM5 is a long-ass time ago lol

Is Koshi's push minus justified, so that my Vote on Koshi, which is more justified, is not justified at all? math how does it werk
I will answer your questions soon, rayn, didn't see them.

blubbdavid

Switzerland2412 Posts

September 12 2013 17:29 GMT

#380

On September 13 2013 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1) Why did you not say clearly why you thought / think(?) Grackaroni is scum?
2) Why the retarded connection case?
3) Why exactly is Koshi scum?

1) I think Grack is scum because 1. his jumping at Panda, though that doesn't make for a very strong case, and 2. the retarded connection case.
2) The connection between Grack and kush? Because in another game I once defended my bad scumbuddy in the same manner as Grack did here, leaving it for the vig.

Lets get real, Kush playing anti-town is nothing new from him. He does it as both alignments. If he doesn't start contributing, we vig him and we move on. Lynches should be used on players we can actually analyze.

Imo, both vigs and lynches should be used on players we can analyze. Grack clearly doesn't want to see kush lynched and delegating the task to the maybe existing vigi nonchalantly. Grack, out of onegu and kush, who should be vig'd?
3)

On September 12 2013 07:23 Koshi wrote:

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How do you know I am town?

##vote StrongandBig

SnB's post is not a scumslip. Koshi's unvoting really makes me more suspicious now, even though I sometimes was losing grip at Koshi's case. Atleast I am not giving up to peer pressure.

blubbdavid

Switzerland2412 Posts

September 12 2013 17:39 GMT

#389

Heh, even Panda is misreading his own post.

On September 12 2013 14:03 Pandain wrote:
Ignore this post except for one key point I realized so we can stay on track of what matters: lurkers.

Zealos's post doesn't mean anything I think; I think he was referring to his name in the mythical realm known as real life. Wouldn't make sense otherwise.

Also kush I'll probably change from you, I was once the huge spammer too. I'll just ask you to step it up.

and snoman how are your "let's lynch BD" anyhow useful.

On September 13 2013 01:52 Sn0_Man wrote:

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So you are admitting that your VOTE on koshi wasn't justified at all?

Yep, this guy is scum.

PS NMM5 is a long-ass time ago lol

This is wrong, as I stated before. Your suspicions come from that line and, as you earlier stated, that I am a bad scum/anti- town player? I want some more analysis and less fluff. Especially less fluff.

blubbdavid

Switzerland2412 Posts

September 12 2013 17:40 GMT

#390

On September 13 2013 02:35 Koshi wrote:

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I think he meant himself. Not certain. lol.

Yeah, I meant myself.
Probably we are talking about different things, mind to repeat what you meant by "Retarded Connection case"?

blubbdavid

Switzerland2412 Posts

September 12 2013 17:42 GMT

#392

On September 13 2013 02:38 Grackaroni wrote:
@Blubbdavid, If onegu doesn't start playing then he is a solid vig shot as well. I've played with kush before and I doubt he is going to start playing at this point, but there's no way of reading him so it's a waste of a lynch. We don't use lynches on anti-town players we use them on scum players. If we pushed lynches on players such as kush who play anti-town regardless of alignment, then everybody would be in agreement and drop their vote on kush and we would have no information for day2

You are the only player I can remember arguing that kush is likely scum. Everybody else is voting for kush as a policy. To punish kush for playing the way he does and to discourage him from playing like that again in future games.

Well, I haven't played with kush before so I don't know.
Furthermore, to get more light on your business, I think it's time to inquire Pandain, who has not contributed much. We were all focused too much on Pandain's big entry post.