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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-19 15:21:30
August 19 2013 15:20 GMT
#1
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Something that isn't in a tech blog for once and I'm sure there will be more to come considering the WCS Season 3 Finals will be taking place from the GTA October 26-27.

Anyway, it wasn't bad but these writers are still throwing wonky statistics like the stadiums are as big as the ACC, which isn't even remotely true and the person they spoke to was Kaitlyn Richelle of all people. I guess they wanted to get some female attention as the article made the front page of the A&E section. Sean Tepper (who I'm really not familiar with) did a decent job though. The rest of his figures are pretty accurate and I thought overall it was a good article. As for Kaitlyn, good luck trying to make this more sustainable. With the viewership focusing more on the WCS, it's getting harder and harder for SC2 players to make money from streaming. We're going to need to find other alternatives for those streamers.

Anyway, here's a link:

Toronto gamers aim for e-sports big leagues

Quick excerpt:

Although StarCraft 2 may be seen as a trailblazer in e-sports’ rapid growth, the key factor in its success is the evolution of live-streaming technology.

Competitive gaming has played a prime role in the recent surge of live streaming culture as witnessed by 2011’s launch of TwitchTV, a website that provides gamers of all levels a free platform to broadcast live and recorded game play sessions.

With more than 28 million unique monthly viewers as of February, Twitch provides its worldwide fan base live TV-style coverage and gives aspiring professionals a chance to showcase their talents by broadcasting their matches from anywhere.

...

“I don’t think it’s going to go away, it’s finally getting better in North America,” says Richelle. “I’m trying to find ways to make this more sustainable and monetize it so I can keep doing it. I don’t have a part-time job, this is all I’m doing.”


Anyway, I already said my spiel with the current scene so I don't think I should say anymore. It's nice that the Star decided to publish an actual article, article. The least you can do is get all the figures right. It's great we have more focus, but in terms of development and sustainability. I don't see eye to eye with the article with everything going on presently.
Eggi
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
478 Posts
August 19 2013 16:04 GMT
#2
You said it right, it was a little exaggerated. Kinda made it seem something it is not(currently)
Its like they made SC2 sound like LoL(in terms of popularity)

I mean sex sells, so putting a pretty blonde lady is better than putting on a skinny male gamer, though the article could have easily focused on other aspects of Esports in North America.

The NA scene is shaky right now, but you cant say that in an article.

All in all, 10/10 good for propaganda esports
5/10 from the perspective of someone that knows whats happening.
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
August 19 2013 16:08 GMT
#3
On August 20 2013 01:04 Eggi wrote:
You said it right, it was a little exaggerated. Kinda made it seem something it is not(currently)
Its like they made SC2 sound like LoL(in terms of popularity)

I mean sex sells, so putting a pretty blonde lady is better than putting on a skinny male gamer, though the article could have easily focused on other aspects of Esports in North America.

The NA scene is shaky right now, but you cant say that in an article.

All in all, 10/10 good for propaganda esports
5/10 from the perspective of someone that knows whats happening.


Why didn't they interview Scarlett?
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Eggi
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
478 Posts
August 19 2013 16:10 GMT
#4
On August 20 2013 01:08 renaissanceMAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 01:04 Eggi wrote:
You said it right, it was a little exaggerated. Kinda made it seem something it is not(currently)
Its like they made SC2 sound like LoL(in terms of popularity)

I mean sex sells, so putting a pretty blonde lady is better than putting on a skinny male gamer, though the article could have easily focused on other aspects of Esports in North America.

The NA scene is shaky right now, but you cant say that in an article.

All in all, 10/10 good for propaganda esports
5/10 from the perspective of someone that knows whats happening.


Why didn't they interview Scarlett?


prob way to busy traveling. But I dunno, there is always email correspondence
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16669 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-19 16:12:15
August 19 2013 16:11 GMT
#5
well this part is false

"On Aug. 11, it was announced that Toronto will host the 2013 StarCraft2 World Championship Season 3 Finals with E-Sports Canada playing a large role in the event.
What can only be described as the “Super Bowl” of StarCraft 2, the tournament is expected to take place Oct. 26 to 27 and will see the 16 best players from North America, Europe and Korea compete for the world title."

gave me a good laugh when i opened up the Star this morning though.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-19 16:36:50
August 19 2013 16:22 GMT
#6
On August 20 2013 01:04 Eggi wrote:
You said it right, it was a little exaggerated. Kinda made it seem something it is not(currently)
Its like they made SC2 sound like LoL(in terms of popularity)

I mean sex sells, so putting a pretty blonde lady is better than putting on a skinny male gamer, though the article could have easily focused on other aspects of Esports in North America.

The NA scene is shaky right now, but you cant say that in an article.

All in all, 10/10 good for propaganda esports
5/10 from the perspective of someone that knows whats happening.


It would be more akin to 2010-2011 in terms of development/growth aside from everything else. At least he mentioned TI3 prize pool and if he really wanted to use the ACC as an example why wouldn't Sean use the LoL World's at the Staple Center? Makes more sense considering it's coming right up. Heck, considering he was plugging the NASL finals in Mississauga I don't know why he wouldn't mention the SC2 Season 3 Global Final in the area from October 26-27th.

With all that said and for those unfamiliar with the newspapers in this area anyway. You have the big three: The Globe & Mail, Toronto Star and Toronto Sun (I guess I should mention the Metro as well considering it's free and lots of commuters read it). The Toronto Star definitely brings exposure. It's still maintains one of the biggest readerships in Canada combined with well over a million reading it daily. Just to give everyone some perspective.

On August 20 2013 01:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
well this part is false

"On Aug. 11, it was announced that Toronto will host the 2013 StarCraft2 World Championship Season 3 Finals with E-Sports Canada playing a large role in the event.
What can only be described as the “Super Bowl” of StarCraft 2, the tournament is expected to take place Oct. 26 to 27 and will see the 16 best players from North America, Europe and Korea compete for the world title."

gave me a good laugh when i opened up the Star this morning though.


If I were to re-word it I would have said the 16 top players in the world who qualified from the prelims.

Not only that Jim he compared the NASL to the NHL which was ridiculous, so yeah the article is full of exaggeration. The numbers other than the stadium comparison were not an issue for me because they checked out, but everything else is a ploy. Remember how I was chastising our e-sports journalists to avoid such stuff? Apparently mainstream guys (even though I never heard of this guy before) are guilty as charged as well yet it still made the cover page for Entertainment. Go figure. If he really was trying to sell something I have no idea why he didn't mention the next event happening in the GTA. If we could sell out the ACC we would. Toronto is a big hub. Do I think we can sell more seats than 2,500? You bet. I didn't like the initial venue, but the other venues I was thinking about probably wasn't within the NASL's budget to begin with, or the logistics of the actual set-up would be a nightmare for that crew based on their other work.
Eggi
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
478 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-19 16:37:17
August 19 2013 16:35 GMT
#7
My favorite part was when it first said

"and live events fill up arenas comparable to the Air Canada Centre"

followed by later in the article

"took place at Mississauga’s International Centre and attracted more than 2,500 fans ."


To the outside person they prob will not notice a few of these inconsistencies.
But I really enjoy articles that are atleast 90% true, just my personal opinion
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
August 19 2013 16:46 GMT
#8
On August 20 2013 01:35 Eggi wrote:
My favorite part was when it first said

"and live events fill up arenas comparable to the Air Canada Centre"

followed by later in the article

"took place at Mississauga’s International Centre and attracted more than 2,500 fans ."


To the outside person they prob will not notice a few of these inconsistencies.
But I really enjoy articles that are atleast 90% true, just my personal opinion


"While competitive gaming has flourished in South Korea since the late ’90s — matches are routinely broadcast on cable TV and live events fill up arenas comparable to the Air Canada Centre"

at least post the full sentence and it is true.... in korea.
HoboJoe20
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada63 Posts
August 19 2013 16:47 GMT
#9
On August 20 2013 01:35 Eggi wrote:
My favorite part was when it first said

"and live events fill up arenas comparable to the Air Canada Centre"

followed by later in the article

"took place at Mississauga’s International Centre and attracted more than 2,500 fans ."

To be fair to the article, the ACC comment was referencing live events in South Korea which is at least a bit more reasonable though still an exaggeration.

I'm not sure there were better comparisons to those not familiar with eSports in general to understand the context, but it does make the entire scene feel more like DOTA2 right now when really it's the exception and not the rule. Still, more exposure is rarely bad and there is ballpark truth in there ...
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 19 2013 16:49 GMT
#10
Discussion of another article, full of overhype (kinda) and misinformation? Hm.
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Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
August 19 2013 16:50 GMT
#11
Damnit, the Star changed their digital viewing thing and I've hit the 10 articles for the month limit >_>
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caradoc
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-19 16:53:42
August 19 2013 16:52 GMT
#12
On August 20 2013 01:50 Draconicfire wrote:
Damnit, the Star changed their digital viewing thing and I've hit the 10 articles for the month limit >_>


clear your cookies.

When I want to read news, I just use incognito mode for chrome which auto-clears cookies-- never have to worry about article limits anywhere.

sheesh, I read about the finals being here in Toronto from the star this morning rather than on TL. Not sure how I missed the announcement/thread.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-19 16:57:15
August 19 2013 16:53 GMT
#13
On August 20 2013 01:49 lolfail9001 wrote:
Discussion of another article, full of overhype (kinda) and misinformation? Hm.


Anytime Sean tries to make comparisons yes, but when he uses actual numbers like the 2,500 people who showed up for the NASL finals and the twitch viewers (for once!) are accurate. That's why I said there are some truths in there but anytime a comparison is made he puts his foot in his mouth. Makes me wonder about his other body of work. Apparently he worked for Sportsnet and did some work for the Toronto Raptors as well.

On August 20 2013 01:52 caradoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 01:50 Draconicfire wrote:
Damnit, the Star changed their digital viewing thing and I've hit the 10 articles for the month limit >_>


clear your cookies.

When I want to read news, I just use incognito mode for chrome which auto-clears cookies-- never have to worry about article limits anywhere.


Very good strat for getting around it.
Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
August 19 2013 16:56 GMT
#14
On August 20 2013 01:52 caradoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 01:50 Draconicfire wrote:
Damnit, the Star changed their digital viewing thing and I've hit the 10 articles for the month limit >_>


clear your cookies.

When I want to read news, I just use incognito mode for chrome which auto-clears cookies-- never have to worry about article limits anywhere.

sheesh, I read about the finals being here in Toronto from the star this morning rather than on TL. Not sure how I missed the announcement/thread.


Hm, good call. I ended up like, reading the article in the print preview mode >_>
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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8230 Posts
August 19 2013 20:41 GMT
#15
Toronto Star... garbage newspaper. Almost screwed my friend over with Ragu.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 19 2013 20:45 GMT
#16
On August 20 2013 01:35 Eggi wrote:
My favorite part was when it first said

"and live events fill up arenas comparable to the Air Canada Centre"

followed by later in the article

"took place at Mississauga’s International Centre and attracted more than 2,500 fans ."


To the outside person they prob will not notice a few of these inconsistencies.
But I really enjoy articles that are atleast 90% true, just my personal opinion


2,500 fans
74,0000 viewers
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MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-19 20:56:39
August 19 2013 20:56 GMT
#17
On August 20 2013 01:46 zev318 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 01:35 Eggi wrote:
My favorite part was when it first said

"and live events fill up arenas comparable to the Air Canada Centre"

followed by later in the article

"took place at Mississauga’s International Centre and attracted more than 2,500 fans ."


To the outside person they prob will not notice a few of these inconsistencies.
But I really enjoy articles that are atleast 90% true, just my personal opinion


"While competitive gaming has flourished in South Korea since the late ’90s — matches are routinely broadcast on cable TV and live events fill up arenas comparable to the Air Canada Centre"

at least post the full sentence and it is true.... in korea.


It was true for BW in Korea, SC2 not so much.
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Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
August 19 2013 21:08 GMT
#18
On August 20 2013 05:56 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 01:46 zev318 wrote:
On August 20 2013 01:35 Eggi wrote:
My favorite part was when it first said

"and live events fill up arenas comparable to the Air Canada Centre"

followed by later in the article

"took place at Mississauga’s International Centre and attracted more than 2,500 fans ."


To the outside person they prob will not notice a few of these inconsistencies.
But I really enjoy articles that are atleast 90% true, just my personal opinion


"While competitive gaming has flourished in South Korea since the late ’90s — matches are routinely broadcast on cable TV and live events fill up arenas comparable to the Air Canada Centre"

at least post the full sentence and it is true.... in korea.


It was true for BW in Korea, SC2 not so much.


It'll also be true when Riot holds their LoL finals in staples centre. I don't even watch mobas, but I will definitely check out the finals cause it's in the freaking staples centre. To see an esports event held in a major mainstream NA sporting venue is something I have to witness for myself.
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