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Aperture Mafia 2: Episode 2

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AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
August 28 2013 08:17 GMT
#213
My next post wil be between 52 and 72 hours from now.
Assuming that is soon enougjh to avoid me gettiong mod killed

/in
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
August 30 2013 14:05 GMT
#646
Hi.

+ Show Spoiler [LOL delayed] +

Normally my first post has spoiler LOL in it. Sorry this one doesn't I will try to make time tomorrow for it, except it is not very LOL and instead merely pretty, it does however have to do with "apeture" and is hence topical. meh it will amuse me.


First note i have driven 1400km in the last two days so I am little fuzzy. If I make no (even less than normal) sense (sorry) I will try for a return to normal service tomorrow.

Anyway the game the thread so far seems odd, maybe its the unusual for me size?

@WOS. I see you doing stuff. What I don't see is you trying to find stuff out?

I have seen the points 'other people' made about you and they made sense when I read them. (I will see if they still do after a good nights sleep)

##vote WaveOfShadow




I am also intrigued by why earlier posts by 'other people' did not wind up in a vote or how their misgivings were soothed.

+ Show Spoiler [LOL preview] +

Link to large image




Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
August 30 2013 14:16 GMT
#653
On August 30 2013 10:40 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 10:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 30 2013 10:32 Blazinghand wrote:
On August 30 2013 10:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 30 2013 10:26 Blazinghand wrote:
The thing is cora I don't think this is alignment indicative. You're giving shit reasons and swearing at people would definitely be scum aligned (Trying to shit up the thread) if it weren't for the fact that I know you. I know how butthurt you get, how emotional you get, how irrational you are. How all the drama on TL Mafia just HAPPENS to swirl around you. You're clearly butthurt and don't even want to admit it, because let's be real here: you have no reason to be a dick to wave (even if he too is being a dick) and saying "fuck you" and your policy shit on Oats doesn't make sense. You're playing against town/thread cohesion which is fairly impressive given how hard it is to do that when the game is barely begun.

Three theories, none of which you like
1) cora is scum
2) cora is really really mind bogglingly bad
3) cora is butthurt

one of these fits quite well with your personality

What about
4) Cora is trying to get killed/lynched?
There are certainly a lot of people I'm going to have to ignore this game, golly gosh.

On August 30 2013 10:26 geript wrote:
@WoS I need a number on a scale from 1 to bitch please.

Where does 'Are you fo realz?!?!' fit?


Cora as a jester role? I guess this is similar to how jester-cora would play (make enemies and so on). This seems like a pretty normal setup though so I doubt there will be anything 3p or jester-like.

Here's my problem bbygrl.
Cora knows about his reputation at the moment. He also knows players in this game know about it. Clearly doing this on purpose for whatever reason. He may be butthurt on top of all this, but he's certainly a good enough player (as bad as you say he is) to not let that show unless he wants to show it.

I believe that you know all of the above as well BH, so why antagonize him? I could very well have antagonized Cora as well (and was about to; anyone who played in the LOL Inhouse a couple days ago will probably know what I mean) but I didn't.
In calling me a dick he's making a play here. I don't think I'm being a dick (and sorry if I actually am, Slamdance).


I think I probably know cora better than you do. honestly the reason I'm antagonizing him is because 1) it's super hilarious to do so, and 2) his response to my antagonism will be telling of his alignment (even after he reads this). Since I didn't make a read on him based on his initial anger, I figured escalating was the best way to determine just how deep the butthurtitude goes. Cora's response to this will be alignment-indicative. He's not good enough to prevent it from being alignment-indicative, even after reading this paragraph.
{emphadd}

So BH, having seen the response, what was Cora's alignment?

Given Dandels post... + Show Spoiler +
On August 30 2013 14:19 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yes, hello.

Replacing Corazon I see.

Last time i did that he couldn't handle the ball requirement of playing scum and fucked off because he rolled scum
Now I see the butthurt is overflowing.

While I have not read the role PM yet (DEAL WITH IT), I will probably have the same role as him (it's likely, but one can never be sure)

Thus I feel it is my responsibility to FUCK YOU YOU ARE ALL SONS OF A BITCHES WHY DID YOU STEAL MY CANDY RAWEAWESESKEJLKSJEFLKWEJF

*sob*

everyone is so mean to me!

/curtains


Whoooooooo


What do you make of Dandels suggestion his alignment might not be the same as Coras was?
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
August 30 2013 22:25 GMT
#998
On August 31 2013 00:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 00:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
On August 30 2013 23:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not see any point in bringing up a speculation of multiple scumteams, especially from kita, as the game OP clearly states there are multiple scumteams.


No it doesn't? Unless you consider Black Mesa a scumteam. But we know nothing of them

@Koshi, Turns out the amulet wouldn't be SUPER awesome on me, but it would still be good. Turns out I can't attempt to do stuff for which I don't have the resources

Have you played/read other Aperture games? Because that's exactly what Black Mesa is. And kitaman very well knows that.


Rayn: Have you played/read other Aperture games?
Axle: Nope (not recently enough to remember anything)

Rayn: Because that's exactly what Black Mesa is.
Axle having just buzzed it while that is kind of what it iswas as they(BM faction) won when they outnumbered ...the sleeper cell nature of them made them rather different to a normal scum team. What they'd be this time is unknown to me...
@Rayn
Why do you claim to know what it 'is' instead of 'was'?
Why dont you wonder how grey might have changed it for this game?

Rayn: And kitaman very well knows that.
@Rayn
I am not clear how what kitaman very well knows happened in previous games has an effect on your interpretation of what he said?


I think kitaman did not post it did not post what he said about faction because he thought it was a brand a new thought to everyone, but because at least one person on the scum team will have said that in their QT (hence all the scum already know), and there might be (and are) town players like me who have not read aperture (recently enough) to remember anyth9ing about it. I also never played either portal for more than 5 mins, and its been a very long time since I last knew who Black Mesa was.
it is thus a net win to tell any townies who dont know(me) the most important stuff from the last games.


So from my point of view anyone pointing out obvious important thematic stuff from aperture games, portal or ... is fine with me. if that offends some players put it in spoiler tagged to the end of useful post. ta.


Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
August 31 2013 00:33 GMT
#1062
On August 31 2013 08:49 VayneAuthority wrote:
It's a good idea to lynch geript because we can test if his claim is real or not. If it is real, then we look at the people that soft pushed his lynch once he claimed, because that is where the scum lies.

A lynch that tells us absolutely nothing and is surely not scum is scum driven.


@vayne. HUH?

Surely the underlined bit is you.... driving a Geript Lynch.
hence according to you the bold bit you must be scum?

If it is as you say "where the scum lies"... is it "A lynch that tells us absolutely nothing?"

Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
August 31 2013 00:35 GMT
#1063
On August 31 2013 09:03 strongandbig wrote:
why can't he be one-shot lynchproof scum

they have existed before

probably more frequently than multishot lynchproof town


Are these these only the altetrnatives you are aware of that he might be?
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
August 31 2013 05:11 GMT
#1144
On August 31 2013 10:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 10:28 Blazinghand wrote:
In fact, I'll go even further: It's not alignment-neutral!

Now, I know personally that I didn't expect him to ragequit. But, assuming you think I thought cora would think of me as a bully and ragequit need to be replaced, it naturally follows that my moves were very townie. Consider: there were still replacements on the replacements list. Both of them were better players than cora. In a world where I'm scum and cora is town (because let's be real here, if we were both scum we'd be collaborating out-of-thread and he wouldn't have ragequitted), why do I want cora to ragequit? If I'm some scummy mastermind and can make cora dance on strings I control by knowing his personality, wouldn't I want to keep him in the game? Influence over a townie (say, suggesting that other people are bullying him and he should vote them) is valuable for scum! No, if I KNEW that what I said would make cora quit, I'd have to be CRAZY to do that as scum! This is evidence that I am town.

OH gawd when BH starts talking about absolute reasons why he's town he's scum. GG ladies.


I tend to base my estimates of some ones alignment on my thoughts not theirs.
However overly simplistic or overly rigid interpretations that come out how the poster wants them are a flag.

Does your rule only limit to BH?

Oh gawd when players start making scum calls based on single pieces of evidence that are not the link to scum QT, then I then I start to think they are scum, then I remember and sigh.

THEN I REMEMBER ITS VE AND VE IS ALWAYS SO SERIOUS IT HERTZ.
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
August 31 2013 05:48 GMT
#1145
Challenge accepted....

only because you asked
+ Show Spoiler [so nicely] +

On August 31 2013 10:33 Blazinghand (ebwopped to) wrote:
Seriously though show me how it makes sense for P(Blazinghand is town|Blazinghand knew cora would rq) < 1 and I will be amazed


On August 31 2013 10:33 Blazinghand wrote:
er, < 1? or ~Blazinghand is town?

pretend I wrote that in a way that makes sense and is mathy and impressive


The trouble with mathy and impressive is it is harder to create false dichotomies.

If (in a game almost but not quite exactly like this one) you were scum and Cora was scum....

if the QT you two were arguing about stuff. and it spilled over into the thread.... and thus even if Cora was made to rage quit then the replacement was going to be good enough... (to be a win)
Now in that reality mathematically (but not morally) there is no downside?

As scum its win win + Show Spoiler [As per RandomBums post] +

On August 31 2013 10:38 randombum wrote:
I don't know if you deserve credit for getting cora replaced by dandel (whom I'm not sure is as good of a player as you seem to think since dandel failed to make us gods amongst mafia players in our last game together). Like you said you didn't expect that as the outcome. So what could have happened was he gets super angry, but not quit, and the two of you argue in thread dis-railing everything which one could easily see as a scum thing to do.

I personally want to believe you weren't trying to get him to quit, because winning by being so unfun to play with that others quit is no good.


In that reality either
the two scum rage at one another giving distance + shit up the thread.
One of them quits and gets replaced by the widely renowned scum player Dandle....

See Sig line



Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
August 31 2013 08:02 GMT
#1153
On August 31 2013 10:54 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 09:33 AxleGreaser wrote:
On August 31 2013 08:49 VayneAuthority wrote:
It's a good idea to lynch geript because we can test if his claim is real or not. If it is real, then we look at the people that soft pushed his lynch once he claimed, because that is where the scum lies.

A lynch that tells us absolutely nothing and is surely not scum is scum driven.


@vayne. HUH?

Surely the underlined bit is you.... driving a Geript Lynch.
hence according to you the bold bit you must be scum?

If it is as you say "where the scum lies"... is it "A lynch that tells us absolutely nothing?"



I don't know what you are saying most of the time but

I am not being subtle about it all, I am saying geript is a good lynch. Scum wouldn't want to take a stance on it, but make sure it happens. They can't go back and edit their posts now so I have no problem saying it.

WoS brings up a good point about him playing so blatantly cocky, that there is a possibility he WANTS to be lynched for whatever reason


Vayne: I don't know what you are saying most of the time but

If I am asking you questions at the time that does not matter. Indeed if you think about it... if I had explained really clearly what I didn't like (found alignment ambiguous) about your previous post then you replying would have been easy as scum or town (hence not alignment indicative). With the way I asked the question your reply are your thoughts not merely mine reflected back at me.

Vayne: I don't know what you are saying most of the time but

Tip: If that gives you difficulty working out my alignment try asking me the questions... try finding out if I have good reasons behind what I do. Be warned: asking me questions often tells me more about your alignment than me asking you and you answering mine.

Vayne: I don't know what you are saying most of the time but

Thats ok it works like that both ways. I asked you the question because I had failed to understand what you were thinking. (On August 31 2013 08:49)
I could put the meaning you have replied with to your original words but only if I assumed you were town. If I guessed you were scum I could have put a scum motive to them. I still can but now its harder wine to drink.

A normal interpretation of any question I asked is to explain in more words something related to whatever I asked or referred to.
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
August 31 2013 08:20 GMT
#1154
@WOS Untunnelling

##unvote WOS
(flips coin)
##vote MrZentor


Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
August 31 2013 10:13 GMT
#1180
On August 31 2013 18:35 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
If he's town, he's completely useless and will be a liability at LYLO. If he's scum, we should lynch him anyway. Either way, I want him out of the game sooner rather than later.


Sounds like the definition of a vig shot?
Do you think you can get 16 votes for what basically amounts to a policy lynch?

Why come into the thread like this?


@Cakepie.
Q to Cakepie.

Given two people (Alak + 1 other) how would you decide which is best to lynch and which is best to vig shoot.

Why for you is alak the one to lynch?

If he is a buffoon... how good would you think his scum game is...?
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
August 31 2013 10:24 GMT
#1182
On August 31 2013 19:13 Clarity_nl wrote:
step 1.5 fuck off after your opening post and don't return


BTW now that i read the other responses altogether... this is quite welcome you have just had,
and you have actually played fewer games than Alak.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=mafia&t=c&f=-1&u=cakepie&gb=date&d=

So please do respond to at least some stuff. Dont think of it as "Whats with all the hostile?"
try to consider it as a mad desire to get you off the vig tonight list.

Yours was the filter than was on the other side of the coin flip I did to decide who to vote between you and Mr Zentor.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19640640


TLDR: post More words soon... please.
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
August 31 2013 10:29 GMT
#1187
On August 31 2013 19:21 cakepie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 18:35 Clarity_nl wrote:
If he's town, he's completely useless and will be a liability at LYLO. If he's scum, we should lynch him anyway. Either way, I want him out of the game sooner rather than later.


Sounds like the definition of a vig shot?


I'd shoot if I could, but I can't, so I use my vote to add emphasis to what I think.

--

Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 18:36 Clarity_nl wrote:
Like, do you think he has a good chance of flipping red or do you just not want him in the game?


The latter for now, even if I may not get what I want.
He is an impediment to my game as I rely on communication and reasoning, and people being comprehensible.
I am not completely sold on the lynch du jour, so while I examine and weigh other possibilities, I intended for my vote to make a statement, even if it is not necessarily a viable lynch at this point.

--

Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 18:50 Blazinghand wrote:
make first contribution only a few hours before D1 deadline

IDGAF what you think about the timing, I play this game as my RL schedule allows, and I don't believe I'm breaking any rules.


ninja'd

ta

people not posting is even more of an impediment to mine.
(and i think you had run out of people not posting to prod.)
but the rest I can see
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
August 31 2013 20:35 GMT
#1365
On September 01 2013 05:04 MrZentor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 17:20 AxleGreaser wrote:
@WOS Untunnelling

##unvote WOS
(flips coin)
##vote MrZentor




Seems legit.


Gee i hope the vig's dont decide they prefer other targets tonight.

##unvote MrZentor




On September 01 2013 05:14 geript wrote:
Well BH... this is a GreyMist game. You can believe me that you get lynched today and be effective for the next 3.75 hours or you can continue to be scum. Your choice


Well Geript, ... I've been waiting for whatever the supposedly "towny play your were going to make to play out"

so far I just see IDGAF scum twisting in the wind.

You now appear to be making some new claim? Not just unlynchable...

##vote Geript

Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
August 31 2013 20:54 GMT
#1374
On September 01 2013 05:38 Blazinghand wrote:
we still need one more vote!



yes we do.

Attention

The following may or may not be useful. (I can but try)

Assuming at least one wagon can reach majority.... (and we have some time left)
Then even though i hate shenanigans....

@BlazingHand
@Clarity
@VisceraEyes

I need two conditions met.

If any of you three WILL not be here near lynch could you please tell me as I would want to choose an alternate.

If any one of you three is not of the opinion that say... greater 50:50 I am town I might (probably) also need to choose an alternate.
(please remember that I mean the real statistical 50:50 and that at the game start is was closer to 75:25 i was town due to standardish ratios town v scum)




Alternatively again... someone else may have some last minute shenanigans and
then that could make this whole post moot.



Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
August 31 2013 21:00 GMT
#1378
On September 01 2013 05:41 geript wrote:
First off people, if I were scum you need to answer a few basic questions:
1. Why would I explain shit about my role?
2. Why would I continue to troll people to get a reaction?
3. Can you honestly think that I'd be this brazen from the start just to force me to use my ability instead of vote rigging D2 or D3 as scum?

You people are being intentionally dense. I intentionally played to my scum meta because I wanted to see who would choose to focus where.


So what did you learn?


Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
August 31 2013 21:08 GMT
#1388
Inline EBWOP

On September 01 2013 05:38 Blazinghand wrote:
we still need one more vote!



yes we do. but one of the vote is Geript so we really need 2.

Attention

The following may or may not be useful. (I can but try)

Assuming at least one wagon can reach majority.... (and we have some time left)
Then even though i hate shenanigans....

@BlazingHand
@Clarity
@VisceraEyes

I need two conditions met.

If any of you three WILL not be here near lynch could you please tell me as I would want to choose an alternate.

If any one of you three is not of the opinion that say... greater 50:50 I am town I might (probably) also need to choose an alternate.
(please remember that I mean the real statistical 50:50 and that at the game start is was closer to 75:25 i was town due to standardish ratios town v scum)

I would also need a few relatively non descript random town individuals but there ought be some of those...




Alternatively again... someone else may have some last minute shenanigans and
then that could make this whole post moot.



Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
August 31 2013 21:09 GMT
#1391
On September 01 2013 06:04 kitaman27 wrote:
Also, geript can't vote for himself. Keep that in mind with the majority. Ideally we have more on him than 16 to avoid vote stealers and scuh.


yeah vote stealers... that makes it scarier.
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
August 31 2013 21:13 GMT
#1392
Attention is vote count wrong?

Given the OP says You may not vote for yourself.
Isn't an attempt to do so invalid?

On September 01 2013 06:04 kitaman27 wrote:
Also, geript can't vote for himself. Keep that in mind with the majority. Ideally we have more on him than 16 to avoid vote stealers and scuh.


So geripts vote is informal and not to be counted?

On September 01 2013 05:44 Crossfire99 wrote:
Day 1 Lynch

geript (15): VisceraEyes, Alakaslam, Cephiro, Clarity_nl, Blazinghand, Dandel Ion, randombum, Koshi, raynpelikoneet, ObviousOne, Onegu, Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, MrZentor, Koshi, Stutters695, AxleGreaser, yamato77, geript
Oatsmaster (0): Dandel Ion (cDgCorazon)
Koshi (0): WaveofShadow
Dandel Ion (0): kitaman27
kitaman27 (0): Dandel Ion, raynpelikoneet
WaveOfShadow (1): AxleGreaser, ShiaoPi
ShiaoPi (1): WaveofShadow
Blazinghand (1): HiroPro, raynpelikoneet
Felkyr (3): Oatsmaster, Dandel Ion, Mr. Cheesecake, Clarity_nl, Koshi, raynpelikoneet, VayneAuthority
cephiro (0): Blazinghand
Mr. Cheesecake (0): Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (1): strongandbig
MrZentor (0): AxleGreaser
Alakaslam (1): cakepie
yamato77 (1): Oatsmaster

The lynch will happen in at Sunday, Sep 01 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00). With 31 alive it takes 16 to lynch. Let me know if I missed something or made a mistake. Remember that only votes in the voting thread count and voting is required.

Voting Thread

Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
August 31 2013 21:16 GMT
#1393
On September 01 2013 06:08 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 06:08 kitaman27 wrote:
I don't suppose we could use the talisman to change the vote rig from once per game to zero times per game?


Or perhaps the one time lynch proof to zero time lynch proof?

Not quite sure how items are passed.


you could read the OP: Item mechanics.
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