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Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-01 02:14:20
August 01 2013 00:50 GMT
#1
The numbers as put together mostly by ChaosTerran with a little bit help from myself as well.

International: http://i.imgur.com/N6US9x0.png

Korean: http://i.imgur.com/j0gOkOw.png

Overall I'm really liking the balance. The fact that numbers fluctuate month to Month within the 5 percen parameters suggests things are in good shape and adds support to the five percent window that is often used. I'm glad CT gave me the opportunity to contribute and I'm glad these numbers appear to be well. Obviously the game isnt perfect but it would seem any changes should be tested seriously first.

EDIT: Here is the original reddit thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1jgcyj/winrates_july_source_liquipedia

And here we have the full spreadsheet with numbers for the month separated between international and Korea: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0At0PE4rdhsI9dDE0cEprWkwwMGxQdTczTTlLNW1qX1E&f=true&noheader=true&gid=5

We used liquipedia tournament database to put all of these numbers together.
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
VVeForever
Profile Joined November 2012
United States75 Posts
August 01 2013 00:55 GMT
#2
You like a zersg being destroyed in Korea?
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ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-01 00:57:10
August 01 2013 00:56 GMT
#3
On August 01 2013 09:55 VVeForever wrote:
You like a zersg being destroyed in Korea?


It's out of 100 game. If you take out Symbol/Maru and Soulkey/Innovation, it's 50/50 TvZ

And PvZ just blame on PvProLeague lol
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Sephiren
Profile Joined September 2012
United States85 Posts
August 01 2013 01:01 GMT
#4
On August 01 2013 09:56 ragz_gt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 09:55 VVeForever wrote:
You like a zersg being destroyed in Korea?


It's out of 100 game. If you take out Symbol/Maru and Soulkey/Innovation, it's 50/50 TvZ

And PvZ just blame on PvProLeague lol



The image displaying games played per MU shows at least 150 games played, and Symbol/Maru + Innovation/ Soulkey are only T and Z....so that doesn't address the protoss romping everybody.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
August 01 2013 01:03 GMT
#5
On August 01 2013 10:01 Sephiren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 09:56 ragz_gt wrote:
On August 01 2013 09:55 VVeForever wrote:
You like a zersg being destroyed in Korea?


It's out of 100 game. If you take out Symbol/Maru and Soulkey/Innovation, it's 50/50 TvZ

And PvZ just blame on PvProLeague lol



The image displaying games played per MU shows at least 150 games played,
and Symbol/Maru + Innovation/ Soulkey are only T and Z....so that doesn't address the protoss romping everybody.


How? You can clearly see all 3 matchup are below 100 line... With about 65~ ZvP played
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
DeathProfessor
Profile Joined March 2012
United States1052 Posts
August 01 2013 01:04 GMT
#6
I rolled my eyes at the Zerg but hmm maybe they are slightly UP, not really sure where this comes from.
Sephiren
Profile Joined September 2012
United States85 Posts
August 01 2013 01:06 GMT
#7
On August 01 2013 10:03 ragz_gt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 10:01 Sephiren wrote:
On August 01 2013 09:56 ragz_gt wrote:
On August 01 2013 09:55 VVeForever wrote:
You like a zersg being destroyed in Korea?


It's out of 100 game. If you take out Symbol/Maru and Soulkey/Innovation, it's 50/50 TvZ

And PvZ just blame on PvProLeague lol



The image displaying games played per MU shows at least 150 games played,
and Symbol/Maru + Innovation/ Soulkey are only T and Z....so that doesn't address the protoss romping everybody.


How? You can clearly see all 3 matchup are below 100 line... With about 65~ ZvP played


The lowest of 3 MU's is ZvP which is clearly greater than half of 100 (looks about 60). So even if the others were as low as that, we have 60 + 60 + 60 = 180. Obviously you can eyeball that it's probably more like 200-210.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 01 2013 01:07 GMT
#8
Since there are so few games played for korean match ups, if there are no patches for august can we take the results from august and july to get a better sample size? Or does it become invalid because of the time difference between the months?
Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
August 01 2013 01:08 GMT
#9
Mothership core needs minor nerf so zerg can counter attack in early game. Terran has a unit for everything. Hydra really needs a buff.
"To practice isn't for you to get better now in the present. Practice will never betray you and will always come back for you in the future." -Jaedong
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 01 2013 01:09 GMT
#10
On August 01 2013 10:08 reps)squishy wrote:
Mothership core needs minor nerf so zerg can counter attack in early game. Terran has a unit for everything. Hydra really needs a buff.

Give it a good bit longer first lol
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
August 01 2013 01:11 GMT
#11
On August 01 2013 10:06 Sephiren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 10:03 ragz_gt wrote:
On August 01 2013 10:01 Sephiren wrote:
On August 01 2013 09:56 ragz_gt wrote:
On August 01 2013 09:55 VVeForever wrote:
You like a zersg being destroyed in Korea?


It's out of 100 game. If you take out Symbol/Maru and Soulkey/Innovation, it's 50/50 TvZ

And PvZ just blame on PvProLeague lol



The image displaying games played per MU shows at least 150 games played,
and Symbol/Maru + Innovation/ Soulkey are only T and Z....so that doesn't address the protoss romping everybody.


How? You can clearly see all 3 matchup are below 100 line... With about 65~ ZvP played


The lowest of 3 MU's is ZvP which is clearly greater than half of 100 (looks about 60). So even if the others were as low as that, we have 60 + 60 + 60 = 180. Obviously you can eyeball that it's probably more like 200-210.


Obviously I meant per matchup, not total, as the TvZ calculation suggest.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12620 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-01 01:16:12
August 01 2013 01:15 GMT
#12
On August 01 2013 10:07 bo1b wrote:
Since there are so few games played for korean match ups, if there are no patches for august can we take the results from august and july to get a better sample size? Or does it become invalid because of the time difference between the months?


You can do whatever you want, it's just numbers, it can't be invalid.
No will to live, no wish to die
mrjpark
Profile Joined March 2011
United States276 Posts
August 01 2013 01:54 GMT
#13
On August 01 2013 10:04 DeathProfessor wrote:
I rolled my eyes at the Zerg but hmm maybe they are slightly UP, not really sure where this comes from.


It's most likely due to Zergs being able to take maps against Terrans, but not series. I don't honestly remember the last time in the GSL/OSL a Zerg beat a Terran in a best of series where the Terran wasn't completely outmatched. Like Life vs. jjakji, Life will win that every time unless the game is terribly imbalanced. But it's not. I feel like there's just the slightest advantage for Terran right now, and that's all you really need at that level of play.
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5524 Posts
August 01 2013 01:59 GMT
#14
Zerg, according to that graph, isn't doing well, but I think it's definitely an overstatement. We had some really good TvZ series this month, and it's [the poor percentage of wins] not gone on long enough to warrant any freak outs. Though it undoubtedly will.
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
lorestarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1049 Posts
August 01 2013 02:01 GMT
#15
Wow! Can't wait to see all those protoss champions!! .................................
SC2 Mapmaker
Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
August 01 2013 02:10 GMT
#16
not sure if trolling or....
OP has no source, a single post with 2 pictures which anyone can make, plus this

David Kim: I don't think there is balance problem right now, and I don't think Zerg is weak at the moment. For example, the recent Dreamhack had a ZvZ finals. Also, WCS S1 Korea Regional Final had a ZvT finals and the Zerg won (Soulkey vs Innovation). In terms of ladder's data, Zerg actually has a little advantage right now.
@taefoxy
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
August 01 2013 02:11 GMT
#17
On August 01 2013 10:54 mrjpark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 10:04 DeathProfessor wrote:
I rolled my eyes at the Zerg but hmm maybe they are slightly UP, not really sure where this comes from.


It's most likely due to Zergs being able to take maps against Terrans, but not series. I don't honestly remember the last time in the GSL/OSL a Zerg beat a Terran in a best of series where the Terran wasn't completely outmatched. Like Life vs. jjakji, Life will win that every time unless the game is terribly imbalanced. But it's not. I feel like there's just the slightest advantage for Terran right now, and that's all you really need at that level of play.


The thing is speaking strictly about the OSL they won the exact same number of maps but a lot of those occurred in the early group stage. But then you see the massive effect that just 7 games can have on such a small sample size.
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
August 01 2013 02:15 GMT
#18
On August 01 2013 11:10 Porishan wrote:
not sure if trolling or....
OP has no source, a single post with 2 pictures which anyone can make, plus this

Show nested quote +
David Kim: I don't think there is balance problem right now, and I don't think Zerg is weak at the moment. For example, the recent Dreamhack had a ZvZ finals. Also, WCS S1 Korea Regional Final had a ZvT finals and the Zerg won (Soulkey vs Innovation). In terms of ladder's data, Zerg actually has a little advantage right now.


Apologies. Check the edit for the information. And no this isn't a troll :D
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
onPHYRE
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria925 Posts
August 01 2013 02:20 GMT
#19
This is about what it felt like watching the games. I know it's not a huge sample size, but as Terran's get better at holding All-ins, I think they will win even more and eventually Z will be buffed (instead of T nerfed).
Livin' this life like it was written.
Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
August 01 2013 02:28 GMT
#20
On August 01 2013 11:15 Wingblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 11:10 Porishan wrote:
not sure if trolling or....
OP has no source, a single post with 2 pictures which anyone can make, plus this

David Kim: I don't think there is balance problem right now, and I don't think Zerg is weak at the moment. For example, the recent Dreamhack had a ZvZ finals. Also, WCS S1 Korea Regional Final had a ZvT finals and the Zerg won (Soulkey vs Innovation). In terms of ladder's data, Zerg actually has a little advantage right now.


Apologies. Check the edit for the information. And no this isn't a troll :D

yay! get it now xD
@taefoxy
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