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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
Gravity Man for Mayor Now all of you are asking right now, "Who is this upstart young robot, and why should we elect him mayor of our little town?" To that I answer, because I am seeking more from my life. Up until now, the thought of using my powers only for destruction has weighed heavily upon my cold steel shoulders and I yearned to make up for that which I hath wrought in the past. The attraction of a power role cannot be taken lightly, of course, nor can the massive responsibility associated with it, whatever it may be beyond the double vote. "But surely we have no idea who this metal man even is!" First of all, I am not Metal Man. That is this guy. ![[image loading]](http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/square_small/3/38919/1830566-metal_man.jpg) I am this guy. ![[image loading]](http://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000013047445-nkxw7w-crop.jpg?9d68d37) No resemblance in the slightest. Well our chassis are both red but that is all. The point is that it does not matter who I am, or what I am built from. What matters is the fluid that courses through my body is green. What matters is what I will do for this town as its mayor. I promise completely transparent reads and analysis so you need never question my alignment. I promise strong activity levels so you need not wonder whether or not I am lurking. I promise to hunt scum until my gears turn their very last, my positronic brain shorts out, my joints rust and my core dies. There are others within this game that will promise to do the very same things as I. But can they, as mere flesh and blood beings, offer you the efficiency that I can? Surely not. I will crush the scum who have infiltrated this town under the weight of a thousand thousand suns. I will engineer their slow destruction as their very molecules are ripped apart with the force of a black hole. But let me not convince you through words, let me convince you with action. ##Mayor Vote: GravityMan "But GravityMan!" You say. "How dare you go up against the most active player in the thread thus far?" Because I simply cannot trust a man who makes an obvious grab for power after pushing and supporting a townread of his so early and for so long. This townread who, himself, has done absolutely nothing to deserve the honor and responsibility that comes with the mayoral title. It appears as though a farce, a show of confidence simply to establish his towniness in the thread so that eventually he may gain the trust of others and rob his townread of the title he so promised. To what end I know not thus far, but you can be sure I will get to the heart of the matter. I invite you now, one and all, to join me in the rousting of those who would wish us ill from our midst. I welcome any and all questions you have for me, for as you begin understanding where it is I come from, so too can I begin my understanding of the thoughts in your relatively soft cranial cavities. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 10 2013 10:30 Hapahauli wrote: Dearest GravityMan, I have no interest in seeing people run mayoral campaigns over empty political promises. My only desire is to see the best scumhunter in the game elected mayor so he/she may have the most influence over the game as possible. So what are your scum-hunting credentials? Furthermore, what are your reads thusfar? Lastly, what are your reasons for not wanting me to be elected mayor? The baseless and unjustified criticism you directed my way in your intro post doesn't cut it. Hello Hapahauli. It is nice to meet you. The problem with electing the best scumhunter in the game as mayor, you see, is the fact that said scumhunter may themselves be scum. Now as for my 'credentials:' You know very well as a complex robot designed only to cause death and destruction by controlling the flows of gravity previous to this game, I have no previous credentials. Your desire to base the mayoral candidacy entirely on meta reads of people is flawed by design because this early into a game it is very easy to act in accordance with one's previous towny-looking games. It makes more sense, as you yourself stated, to base said candidacy on actions rather than words. My reads - I have a couple of townreads I would prefer not to divulge at the present time as it is not advantageous to our situation at the current time. As far as scumreads go, again there is not a great deal to go on right now as the discussion has been quite uninspired thus far. We still have a full Earth's revolution to go, however, and there is much that can be learned in such a short period of time. I don't want you to be elected mayor for the reasons stated in my original post as well as those above. I simply cannot base the candidacy on reads of past games. There has not been enough activity offered by anyone in the thread thus far to feel confident in anyone's scum-hunting ability but my own. Now if I may ask you some questions: Why change your mind from the man ShiaoPi? You said he is a good scumhunter in his own right, did you not? What are you basing this on? Do you feel yourself to be a better player than him? What do you think of this jampidampi thus far? What do you make of the inactivity of the one knows as DarthPunk, a player who is generally seen to be fairly active? | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 10 2013 10:43 AxleGreaser wrote: I do have to stop making my first reads based on the users name... Trouble is I keep being right... + Show Spoiler + Name+long long silence => lame joke was incoming I user hope gravity man appreciates the gravity of choosing to be the most fashionably late entrant and can now live up to it. What exactly does my entrance to the thread have to do with living up to what people may or may not expect of me? | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 10 2013 11:10 Hapahauli wrote: EBWOP Didn't finish this. Your statement here... Reads to me like a huge cop-out. Your entire candidacy so far has been based on a) words and b) because you claim you're town and c) you're a japanese robot. You are entirely correct in your assessment of myself in that I have not provided sufficient means to make you or the rest of town trust me through my actions. Do remember, however, that once again the day is but half over and I have only posted a handful of times. I hope to make it fairly obvious as both time and space progress. To answer one of your queries before I progress to the answers you provided; I prefer not to bases my analyses and reads on the previous actions of other players. It is an unnecessary strain on my capacitors and have minimal space left in my memory banks. Now you have actually gone some way in determining your capacity to me as a potential mayoral candidate; certainly much more than this ShiaoPi. I still hesitate to remove my vite from myself but know that I am not yet locked in, and should it be made clear to me that someone's abilities are superior to my own then I will gladly vote accordingly. Your townread of this jampidampi was confusing me I must admit, because there was very little I could glean from his filter that seemed to be specifically aligned towards the town. Of course the time-post scenario you have outlined is what stood out to me the most and I didn't understand why you were so quick to acknowledge his defense. Your second point regarding his questioning appears valid, yet again his activity level leaves it difficult to reach a strong conclusion. I would agree with you in that this jampidampi would be my strongest read into the scumplayers for today thus far, and yet this is relatively speaking (as I must), so I cannot give it a great deal of weight yet. I have much to expect from this DarthPunk so I eagerly await his arrival to the thread. Now as you have correctly mentioned, I have not had the chance to do a great deal of hunting myself, thus I begin: VayneAuthority: you mention early on in the game you do not trust this AxleGreaser. May I inquire as to why? On June 10 2013 06:29 VayneAuthority wrote: remember that this is semi-closed setup so we dont even know if theres a medic or anything. Getting voted as mayor is pretty much a death sentence and I think BH sees it the same way I do. Don't want a fucking target on my back to start the game. You also mention that you do not want a target on your back, yet the way you currently post you clearly do not mind attracting attention to yourself, not unlike the attraction of two gravitational bodies. This appears contradictory. Can you comment please? | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 10 2013 11:20 AxleGreaser wrote: I am not sure what you are asking perhaps because you are not sure what I said. so... (outside of the newbies games) In my experience people typically turn up in threads late, either because of actually true IRL issues. or because they estimate themselves to be a good enough player, that they can turn up late, and either through reputation, but in your case as you are a smurf, through their actions in the thread establish their innocence enough to live through the first lynch. This has side effect benefit in say BHs case of increasing the chances he will live through the night. Turning up late, if you are scum, like lurking is a strategy that might be used to avoid giving input until you see the lay of the land (who has time to play how well this game) and work out how to position your scum strategy in the game. As it can benefit scum, it is a thing they would want to do, however as it is thing they would want to do people not giving input (by lurking, turning up late) looks scummy. Because it looks scummy, scum tend not to do it...etc unto infinite recursion, hence what i label as WIFOM. While it is WIFOM the conditional probabilities are not entirely null. it thus changes my expectations of you. Your explanation is somewhat sufficient, thank you for the clarification. What is not clear to me however, is your actual read of me. Do you regard me as scum or town currently, based on what little you know of me and what I have posted in this thread? I assume you would regard me differently if I were another person, so let me also ask you: if I were a well-known player who is known for strong scumhunting skills how would you regard me given my posting being exactly the same? | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 10 2013 11:37 VayneAuthority wrote: there's no contradiction here. Posting like this makes scum keep me alive so I can continue playing the game, while being mayor would make them want to kill me more. also not that I think axlegreaser is scum, I meant more that I do not trust him to be mayor as I can't understand half his posts so it wouldn't be in my best interest. So you feel that attracting seemingly negative attention to yourself you are then doing the town a service by distracting them from more appropriatel targets at hand (assuming you are town)? Why do you feel the need to survive well into the game? | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 10 2013 11:43 VayneAuthority wrote: Do you join games with the intent of not being able to play it? Obviously to enjoy the game. Bit of a weird question. If you got N1'ed every game it wouldn't be very fun would it To be sure. But also to be sure is that someone inevitably must die on the first night. Do you envision yourself a strong mafia player in general, one that the scum are likely to target on the first night if you play to your full capacity? Forgive me if I am being presumptuous but I find it disconcerting that one would purposefully handicap their own strong play and purposefully not help the town so that they may survive to a point in the game where it may become more difficult to win. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 10 2013 12:10 Hapahauli wrote: @ Gravity Man I look forward to seeing your scum-hunting efforts. However, I do have one more bone to pick with you: You have already made two attempts to insinuate suspicion on me with no justifications. Mayoral campaign or not, throwing unjustified shit at another player is unacceptable and anti-town. What is your read on me? What are your specific reasons to not support my candidacy and/or distrust me? On June 10 2013 12:10 Hapahauli wrote: @ Gravity Man I look forward to seeing your scum-hunting efforts. However, I do have one more bone to pick with you: You have already made two attempts to insinuate suspicion on me with no justifications. Mayoral campaign or not, throwing unjustified shit at another player is unacceptable and anti-town. What is your read on me? What are your specific reasons to not support my candidacy and/or distrust me? Hapahauli your explanation as to why you switched to supporting this ShiaoPi was sufficient for me to understand your mindset. My second comment was merely a generalization, though I must admit if you in fact view yourself as the best hunter of scum in this game then I can see why you would see it as self-targeting. My read of you as of our current discussion is different from what it would have been before our discussion; I no longer have any direct reason to suspect you. What I once saw as a blatant power grab I now see as a simple re-estimation of abilities. As such I have a null read of you leaning towards town. Your current confidence level gives me hope although since you base a great deal of your platform on your ability to catch scum, I would expect for you to be able to follow up on this, much as you expect from me. I will not be removing my vote from myself as I stated earlier. For now, let us be content to hunt scum as allies. Whether we are, in fact, remains to be seen of course. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 10 2013 12:02 VayneAuthority wrote: Nope not really, I am better at scum than town. I'm not trying to hide anything, it's just how I play If it is just the way you play, I am unsure as to why you would feel that scum are likely to kill you on the first night. Thank you for answering my queries, however. I have one final question for you. You vote for this Hapahauli as it seems to be the direction the majority of active town are heading at the moment. I take it this means you are finished trying to create conversation by going against the general sentiment? | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://megaman.neoseeker.com/w/i/megaman/9/9c/Fireman.gif) I find it interesting that this jampidampi has actually queried something similar to that which I may have asked of you. I might have framed it in a less accusatory manner, however. Blazinghand, what is it about the three you have mentioned, that is, yourself, Hapahauli, and VayneAuthority, that makes them the best mayoral candidates in your eyes? I require specifics. I am less concerned with your activity level for the moment. The master of Oats appears to be picking up his game. I am also curious as to whether he truly believes the man of incendiary hands is in fact a member of the mafia considering he has offered barely any reasoning as to his suspicions and his choice of lynch vote. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 10 2013 13:37 jampidampi wrote: GravityMan seems to little a few too many words. Dunno if that is somehow related to him trying roleplay or him trying to appear as contributin more. Do smurfs usually roleplay? My universal translator must be malfunctioning as I cannot understand exactly what it is you have said here. On June 10 2013 13:59 jampidampi wrote: Look at ShiaoPis posts at that point. There isn't really anything alignment indicative. In this light it would sense for me to have a null read on him right? Then someone comes and tells me with high confidence that he is town without reasoning. I then ask for his reasoning to validate it. You've somehow managed to assume I suspected ShiaoPi. It is more like there weren't any good reasons to think he is town, hence your townread on him looked really odd. In the 7-minute window, I did not stop to think about you or your alignment since that was not what I was trying to figure out at that time. The first part of my post is answearing to Sylencia, and is in no way related to you. I also don't know how you have gathered that I have a town read on you? Subconsious trust =/= trust. This second post interests me as it appears to be the second time of note that this Hapahauli appears to be misrepresenting the tone of one's posts. jampidampi, if you are indeed validating here that you in no way thought that this ShiaoPi was scummy with your earlier posting, do you think it is scummy that this Hapahauli would try to paint you as such? I must admit my thinking has been similar to his. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
As such I will bring it to thread currently along with updated reads considering much conversation has happened in the time that I have been absent, albeit simply between two fairly hard-headed individuals. ShiaoPi brings up that he thinks this VayneAuthority does not look so good to him. I will admit while he did readily answer many of my questions, I not did not feel satisfied with our discussion because, unlike my back-and-forth with this Hapahauli, it was very much one-sided in that it did not seem as though this VayneAuthority was interested in divining my alignment whatsoever. Specifically I made a point of noting his final response to me: On June 10 2013 12:48 VayneAuthority wrote: I can't reveal everything about my play or scum will be able to hide too easily, let's just say it has a purpose though This strikes me as something I absolutely must hold him to otherwise he simply escapes the conversation with no details revealed. Related to this is the answer given to me by this Blazinghand regarding his top mayoral candidates. He goes into great detail explaining his regard for this Hapahauli and his seemingly monstrous ego belies what he thinks of himself, which is acceptable, though I do not feel the same earnestness when he speaks of this VayneAuthority. As for VA, I have been nothing but impressed by his play that I've seen. He's been a capable scumhunter, and he utterly hoodwinked me in Les Mafia. Whereas most of the player list is cluttered with jubjubs and followers (if you're reading this, I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about the other guys), VA is smart. He's not a veteran in terms of games played but for his excellent play in my interactions with him I consider him a vet. That being said, the guy DID utterly hoodwink me, which means the fact that I have a townread on him is meaningless. I can't catch him when he's scum-- or at least, not yet. Anyone that good I'd keep an eye on-- but if he's town, he can use the power wisely. Given my strong townread on hapa though I see no reason to entrust VA with the power. He brings up a past in game in which he was impressed by this VayneAuthority's play as a man of the scum variety, yet nebulously brings up the interactions he has with the man regarding his town play and his scumhunting. I have not seen anything this game that shows this as evident, therefore I must believe he is impressed with VayneAuthroity's play from past games, yet why not reference these and only the scum game? It is also curious that right at the end of this paragraph he seems to back up on the strength of his lauding of this VayneAuthority saying he sees to no reason to entrust him with the mayoral candidacy...could this be because he also realizes right here that his scum game is what is most to be feared from the man and not the strength of his town game? I also personally have not seen anything from this VayneAuthority this game that shows him to be a strong town player; he himself admits to me that he is a much better scum player than town player and plays the way he does simply to survive. I do not regard this as strong town play, yet this Blazinghand does, for unknown reasons. I am curious as to what other active members of the thread think on this VayneAuthority. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Unrelated to the above, I was impressed with this AxleGreaser's attempt to read into both me and the other active members of this game; it appears a genuine venture to gain an understand of what we are all about, a decidedly town-aligned trait. I would like to hear more in general from this jampidampi as I am not entirely sure he is my strongest read into the scum faction any longer. The interaction between the master of Oats and this Blazinghand is difficult for me to process. I must spend more time on it. This ShiaoPi's triumphant return to the thread excited me and had my circuits buzzing. I would like to hear more from him like we have all just seen, and seeing him on the attack gave me newfound trust in Hapahauli's earlier words that this ShiaoPi is a strong player in his own right. It seems as though people are mistrustful of me because I am but a mechanical man and a stranger to their comfortable ideals of what a mayor should be. As such I withdraw my name from the candidacy and only hope that we will be making the right decision in but a few hours. ##Mayor Unvote | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
As he is l'homme du jour, however I certainly would not mind if he returned to continue his campaign to oust the scum from this game. Sylencia. Hello. If you are not currently otherwise occupied, I have some queries for you that I feel would help me gain a better understand of you. If you would answer them I would be greatly pleased. Do you have any reads on scum other than this VayneAuthority? What do you make of the altercation between the Oatsmaster and this Blazinghand? You mention that you are often lynched early in other games. Why is this? | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 11 2013 03:05 VayneAuthority wrote: I feel like this is a really easy game now after gathering some basic info I feel (as capable as I am feeling at all, of course) that you are now just adding to a list of things the rest of town and I must hold you to as the game progresses. Tell me, do you have anything to say regarding my most recent lengthy post or any of the accusations against you? | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
You intrigue me with this. I fear I must repeat earlier question brought up by this ShiaoPi and ask, why do you feel that it is necessary to withhold information from the town on the day of a lynch and election? How do you feel this will assist in our ability to catch the scum rather than send the thread into chaos mere hours before the deadline? | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
Blazinghand, I ask politely that you respond to the following section of my earlier post. Related to this is the answer given to me by this Blazinghand regarding his top mayoral candidates. He goes into great detail explaining his regard for this Hapahauli and his seemingly monstrous ego belies what he thinks of himself, which is acceptable, though I do not feel the same earnestness when he speaks of this VayneAuthority. He brings up a past in game in which he was impressed by this VayneAuthority's play as a man of the scum variety, yet nebulously brings up the interactions he has with the man regarding his town play and his scumhunting. I have not seen anything this game that shows this as evident, therefore I must believe he is impressed with VayneAuthroity's play from past games, yet why not reference these and only the scum game? It is also curious that right at the end of this paragraph he seems to back up on the strength of his lauding of this VayneAuthority saying he sees to no reason to entrust him with the mayoral candidacy...could this be because he also realizes right here that his scum game is what is most to be feared from the man and not the strength of his town game? I also personally have not seen anything from this VayneAuthority this game that shows him to be a strong town player; he himself admits to me that he is a much better scum player than town player and plays the way he does simply to survive. I do not regard this as strong town play, yet this Blazinghand does, for unknown reasons. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 11 2013 04:00 VayneAuthority wrote: this is actually really scummy are you softing here that your scumteam doesnt have rb capabilities so you just want me dead? Nothing about your post makes sense. the town's incompetency to scumhunt when ive been softing blue is what caused this. why if you think im cop would you want me not protected I disagree with your comment. I would posit that acting purposefully mysterious and dropping hints without any details is not a good way to hide the fact that you have a power role, rather it makes you look incredibly suspicious. The best thing in my opinion that you could have done to avoid suspicion would have been most probably if you had actually played the game as I had suggested earlier. I am also unsure as to why you chose this specific moment to claim. Did you feel that my questioning of you specifically was liable to get you lynched or was it simply a coincidence that you claimed while we were discussing and you were already worried about those currently voting for you? Regarding those who have followed along with ShiaoPi's voting, whom of those do you think are scum? | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 10 2013 16:21 jampidampi wrote: Oops, sorry. My thoughts were faster than my typing, so part of the orginal sentence seems to be missing. To be more clear, I'll reword it completely: My first impression of you was that you use too many words to say what you want to say. I couldn't figure out if that was because you trying to appear to contribute more, or because that is how you speak. Upon rereading, it seems that the latter is more probable. I wouldn't call him scum for it, since it seems that others (you, stutters) too have interpreted my post in ways I never thought they would be interpreted. Do you believe his response to my questions of him? Were his insinuations of your scumminess completely innocent? As you answer this I ask that you also glance at our early conversation where you also assumed I was calling you scum. Are there differences between these two insinuations to you? With regards to your latest case, the evidence appears strong. I remain wary however since this jampidampi appears to be new to the game of scum and town and it is still entirely possible that it is simply his mindset as to lynch reasoning that is in error, however unlikely. To conclude, I believe I will be able to absorb the meaning behind the electrical impulses in his brain once this jampidampi responds to the accusations (assuming he does) but until that point in time, I am forced to relinquish my reservations in the trusting of you. ##Lynch vote: jampidampi | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
##Mayor Vote: Hapahauli Note that I am aware of the issue of the detective claim from this VayneAuthority. Would you be certain that electing him would grant him some form of protection allowing him to make use of his role? This also assumes he can make use of his role well. | ||
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