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On June 04 2013 10:29 goodkarma wrote:
A normal game that's... actually normal???
*gasps*
That is what you think???
+ Show Spoiler +There are 11 players, for 11 players that means to be normal there is 2 and half scum(bad men). Then Blazing hand posted this On June 04 2013 09:25 Blazinghand wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/sR9eaBI.gif) wow this game is taking so long to start That image is a visual Freudian scum slip. Blazing hand is thus the last half man of the scum team. The game may have been "normal" but it is no longer entirely normal.
/in
BTW as is traditional for my games that is probably the best case I will make all game.
Like Hapa I give advance notice my play style will be exactly like previous games and hence entirely different.
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On June 04 2013 18:17 marvellosity wrote:Now if you could just delay this until Smurf is finished... 
Its Ok the battle cruisers needed for all of blazing hands posts are going to take forever to build.
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On June 05 2013 23:46 DarthPunk wrote:
you need to gruel me?
Perhaps its because he thinks we are all convicts down here??
Oh, that was a grueling a stretch of the language.
I hope that does not mean I will be eaten by the grue that would be cruel.
look what happens when I think about it too long. The thread finishes discussing it and i find some plain boring bland junk.
+ Show Spoiler [More gruel for the mill] + What is intriguing is that, An amercian dictionary says a "Chiefly English" definition is " Severe punishment." Whereas the Collins, Oxford, Cambridge dictionaries don't think that word in their language means that. While it is interesting that the US has its own language and spellings and calls them English anyway, now they have apparently started telling the English what English English is as well
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On June 06 2013 00:50 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 00:41 TheDavison wrote:
laksa.. gruel
some uneducated may say its the same thing, dear =P Heathens.
did we take your name in vein dear.
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/out
I dont at this moment know if I have time to play. I may well be back when I know.
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now I know that I both have, and will have the time....
Oh well.
/replacement
or /in if someone is out
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As at this moment there is hole, and to remove any doubt.
/in
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On June 08 2013 16:07 Blazinghand wrote:sorry am eating dinner will get back to you soon here is screenshot of dinner for proof ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ukN9z.png)
Here is link to a post by you with a screen shot of your dinner after you have eaten it.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18666959
if you analyse those two images forensically, pixel by pixel.
Notice that none of it is missing compared with where you say you are up to at the moment.
You are not eating your dinner, as that screen shot shows proves 100% you have already eaten as much of
your dinner as you are going to and are thus actively lurking.
The question however is:- Is that what you do as town or what you do as scum, or is it in the [orange]ignore[/orange] bucket.
{CBA finding the link to the venn diagram, post {edit:nah here it is}![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mOHGjne.jpg) }
I think that if we examine your meta, then we will find you have 'not eaten' that very same dinner before... and you flipped town.
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Ok as the game thread has been total waste of time so far and not got me any closer to determining people alignments.
here is my policy/look busy post. i was going to post it earlier but I just had dinner.
+ Show Spoiler [screenshot] +here is screen shot of something that is not my dinner for proof that it is not mydinner.
On June 08 2013 12:57 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 12:55 DarthPunk wrote:
I'll play just don't expect me to be super active on the weekend. Ok that's totally fine. Game will start at deadline tomorrow (22 hours).
Cool:
Assuming we are still on the same time cycle "Currently the deadline is 02:00 GMT (+00:00), but that is subject to change."
AND Assuming I get the countdown snyatx right.
Check list of things I need to start the game.
A List of people I can try to lynch.
A general plan of how to do that.
A detailed practical implementation for realising execution of the plan.
oops.
BTW Attention All/some of the OP filters are(were) broken recently (by a backend server change?)
Filters
Player List: (A list that i think works for me here Saturday, Jun 08 8:50am GMT (GMT+00:00)
1. Blazinghand
2. Hapahauli
3. VayneAuthority
4. Sylencia
5. GravityMan
6. Jampidampi
7. ShiaoPi
8. Oatsmaster
9. DarthPunk
10. AxleGreaser
11. Stutters695
Host List:
H0. cDgCorazon
C0. Ange777
C1. ghost_403
Obs List:
Obzy
LazerMonkey
Chromatically
people who have good karma List: (aka : thank you kind sir for your gracious exit)
GoodKarma
people not playing the game
marvellosity
people who dont exist
187170
Ok that is enough lynch targets for now...
The general plan:
After We lynch DP for lurking and we lynch all list posters
then we lynch everyone that scum slips.
Sounds easy.
The practical execution of plan:
Kill the pig, cut her throat spill his blood. herp derp.
yep let get this game operational.
+ Show Spoiler [In other news] +Nice weather: Random bullshit phase appears to have come early this game
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Hmmmm :\.... This is different.
+ Show Spoiler [LOLCAT] + Axle: So Skip here we are again. Speaking of that ground hog day thing, didnt I die in the last town we were in? Skip: Woof. Woooooof woof. Axle: Oh its timey whimey thing and I should not worry about that.. ok. Axle: So Skip here we are again. How does this one smell? Skip: Woof. …...................... Wof wof. Axle: Hmm not too big, and not too many arcane power smells, sounds good. But Uh oh, we cant stay here.Skip: Woof? Axle: Its normal town and were not normal we're different. Skip: Woof!Axle: What do you mean, Normal is different. Normal is same not different. And what do you mean you can prove it mathematically? Skip: Woofity woof woof <plonk> Axle: Ok so I looked up normal in the math text, you just happened to have and I looked up normal. Now what? Skip: Woooooooooooooooof Axle: Ok so on a Euclidean surface you can move around any where you like and its just the same as anywhere else. So whats different? Obviously off the surface is different to on the surface, and the further off you get the more different to the surface you are. Skip: [big]Woof![big] Axle: yeah Ok... I suppose a normal vector does get off the surface as fast as it is possible to do, so it (a normal) is in a sense as different to the surface as it is possible to be. Axle: <thinks> Axle: Ok so Normal may be Different, but what if we are a different kind of different one that is not normal. Oh, you have another text that covers that and I should read it for myself... Ok. Axle: and you marked a page for me: “The curse of dimensionality.” Axle: {reads to self} Ok so lets see if I got this right. In high dimensional space Rn, if all the relatively small population(us?the town is small n) are normally distributed on each quality (anger, agression, good play, …) then most people are an outlier in their own projection. Axle: Axle: Axle: Wat? Axle: No on second thoughts skip, I don't care any more and far as I am concerned it is all just the same difference, lets just go in and see who is around.
Oh apparently that(different) is normal
Ok. and Vanilla Town [brown]chocolate brownie[/brown]
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On April 11 2013 14:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also when Axle is playing, I ROLL SCUM. EVERY FUCKING TIME.
Thanks Axle.
<3
no charge.
##vote Oatsmaster because Axle is playing therefore oats claims he is scum.
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@host
OP says: The mayor will be given the power of an extra vote, as well as 2 other powers and one game condition they must follow, all to be explained after the election.
All will be explained... but to who? The mayor, or the thread, or is it another surprise.
@town
countdown to sad face: 
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<spam mode=on>
##Mayor Vote: AxleGreaser
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On June 09 2013 13:03 Sylencia wrote:
Hi Axle, you seem to be the only one here. Want to make me mayor? :D
Not until I know your alignment and probably/possibly/maybe what the powers restrictions are or even know who will know what about them when. In the absence of all knowledge, I already chose the optimal course.
Even then there may be other candidates I'd prefer based on capability generating a better risk benefit tradeoff.
If I had enough information I might even prefer a candidate other than me.
We are getting late enough in the day now that experience tells me, that other tzs likely wont be checking in.
hence we lose a fraction of the day
do you have suggestion of what we can do profitably? AFAIK 1v1 mafia doesn't work that well.
aka speak words now.
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On June 09 2013 14:12 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 13:30 AxleGreaser wrote:On June 09 2013 13:03 Sylencia wrote:
Hi Axle, you seem to be the only one here. Want to make me mayor? :D Not until I know your alignment and probably/possibly/maybe what the powers restrictions are or even know who will know what about them when. In the absence of all knowledge, I already chose the optimal course. Even then there may be other candidates I'd prefer based on capability generating a better risk benefit tradeoff. If I had enough information I might even prefer a candidate other than me. We are getting late enough in the day now that experience tells me, that other tzs likely wont be checking in. hence we lose a fraction of the day do you have suggestion of what we can do profitably? AFAIK 1v1 mafia doesn't work that well. aka speak words now. Pretty sure you can tell from my track record that I really only roll non-VT when I force myself into a themed game Also, we won't know what these powers/restrictions are until the election is over so there's no real point trying to work it out. In which case everyone ends up voting themselves as the 'optimal' route? We have quite a few people in for discussion now, but what is there to discuss at the moment..
>We have quite a few people in for discussion now, but what is there to discuss at the moment..
We grasp at straws. I already voted Oats because ...
Now when I say:
> Not until I know your alignment and probably/possibly/maybe what the powers restrictions are or even know who will
> know what about them when. In the absence of all knowledge, I already chose the optimal course.
Which mentions both determining alignments and setup speculation
Sylencia:
< "Also, we won't know what these powers/restrictions are until the election is over so there's no real point trying to
< work it out. In which case everyone ends up voting themselves as the 'optimal' route?"
Which seems to have overlooked finding out alignments, the important bit. If you already knew them that would explain that assumption.
That's what I do.
Now I see what you do.
Also do remember, while we do this, to notice what other people are not doing.
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On June 09 2013 15:00 Hapahauli wrote:
Also, jampi is town. EZ.
I keep reading up to this post and going. uh.
I dont know why.
I accept you have better knowledge of Jampi than me.
(equivalently?)I expect at some time to get a good read on Syl if Syl posts, for some reason I think I can read Syl.
I accept you pushed jampi and he rang pretty true in fairly small time frames.
What I don't have but I guess you do (or did when you coached him?) is
have good estimate of whether scum jampi could do that? (see the BH venn diag)
Also what it might be that is making me uneasy is that is quite a few town reads you're clocking up.
and labelling them EZ.
I find towns tend to lose when they get complacent, hence you promoting complacency
can have scum motivation. Clocking up that many town reads seems harder to marry
into the pattern. This would worry me more except i have heard that sooner or later if
you are scum then you start posting baby seal pictures then we lynch you.
Hapa: Can you aid me in not being distracted by this post of yours?
@Sylencia Please post more.
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Full post here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18846784
heavily edited to get the bits I want.
On June 09 2013 17:12 Hapahauli wrote:@ Axle[....] Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 15:00 jampidampi wrote:On June 09 2013 14:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Yes, but that requires a lot of assumptions. Not only do you have to process and understand my read on ShiaoPi, but you also have to trust that I'm telling the truth and that I'm town. I have a lot of subconscious reasons to trust you. 1. You were my coach in a newbie 2. You were my hydra partner and we were town 3. I haven't read a scum game of yours Also, cookies It's a very blunt, honest, and complete picture of his thought-process. [...] Like what scum would admit that they haven't read one of my scum-games before deciding to trust me? [...]
Ta that interaction gives me a good start at the context that I need to understand/evaluate your future posts.
Also the two points (aspects of jampis play) are what I will try to build a mental model of(his context) when I read his meta. (aka do i think he could do that as scum) {and yeah i hadn't noticed the implications of admitting not reading your scum game before deciding to trust you.}
AKA that helps me find where green and red on BHs diagram is for both of you...
Now if the rest of the thread will just oblige by posting words... lots of them all at once.
It might indeed be EZ.
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On June 09 2013 17:38 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Axle (cont.)
Also a last note about early-game reads... every read someone makes early D1 is completely worthless. Early D1 is only about getting people to talk, and that's it. It is always important re-consider every single one your reads and start from scratch when the D1 lynch gets close.
oh yeah, early game reads. Those early ones are usually worthless based on fresh air, fairy tales fiction and BS.
Consider when i proved 100% Bh was town... that was pregame. His pregame alignment was town. I completely recant that read now for his in game alignment.
My early read on oats seems shaky too, but so far he has done nothing to shake it.
So yes I am probably aware of the usual ebb and flow of the day, even if sometimes I get it totally wrong.
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Vayne, I have tried twice to write this post the first one asked the wrong question.
it may still ask not what i mean. meh.
It is a difficult little thought please read carefully and discuss it with me.
After one or two iterations we may reach common ground.
Gross generalisations about your meta + Show Spoiler +
I have, when you played them, been a spectator of some of your previous games. (I think mainly les)
At the time I dreaded playing with you and having to try and read you due to choices you make
that for me potentially put all your play in the orange bucket.
This happens when you assert that you get _all_ your reads from flip analysis of voting and nks.
You seemingly in the other games I read use that claim about yourself to justify some level 'no comment' on things in thread.
Those are broad sweeping generalisations, and they are I think about your town and scum play. (orange bit)
if after the discussion they are wrong sorry?
Concrete observations in this game.
In this post you say you do things to promote discussion.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 09 2013 15:01 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 14:57 ShiaoPi wrote:On June 09 2013 14:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
not running for mayor
##vote mayor: Sylencia why? to generate discussion, I want to see who the stragglers vote for
Conversely when you are poked (asked a question)
+ Show Spoiler +On June 09 2013 15:25 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 15:22 ShiaoPi wrote:
I am intersted in getting sylencia back here right now.
What is your stance on my campaign? Null until everyone votes, if there's just one mayor and everyone votes him we gain zero info, thats what scum wants.
Do you engage in conversation. Does the discussion proceed or does your answer tend to shut it down?
Your discussion promotion method (vote) is something that is easy for scum to emulate. Answering questions when being prodded is harder, please try to to do the harder things too.
Here is a new question.
Independent of how the votes pan out, because sometimes at the end of the day there is one no brainer candidate.
If we discussed the mayoral campaign, and found out who was shy about commenting during the day before the result was clear, would that help find scum or would it as you seem to suggest yield 'zero information'.
Do note I agree wholeheartedly with the general sentiment, (and I am pretty sure my previous games will support the notion that,) I oppose days with one wagon, but primarily because there is no/limited discussion.
lastly even if you need the votes (or you get zero information), I think a number of other people need significant interactive discussion and the vote, so please comment more fully on the question of the mayoral election.
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@oats
as i have my vote on you and the reasons posted are (ahem) a little shaky.
and while it is nice that you think everyone is cool or could be.
try to post something wincon related please.
if nothing else there bunch of mayoral stuff floating around that should be easy pickings.
or feel free to choose and or add your own topics befitting your erudite stature.
/doing other stuff
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