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On March 28 2013 07:05 VisceraEyes wrote: I would have said something but thread sentiment is town on Hapa :X Wait til Day imo imo. Thx though Prom. yeah hapas role is also Imba; un-nkillable and unlynchable ! so yeah might as well just assume he is town and play on regardless. ..and yeah as VE says, the first day post will probably give us some more info, as will the timing of the first vote count. My gut feel is he will be towny town town. | ||
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On March 29 2013 03:16 Dandel Ion wrote: I will be very disappointed if you don't lynch the host, though. Hi. Given that to the best of my observation usually no one lynches anyone you had better be prepared to be disappointed or at least not entirely literal in the fulfilment of your wishes. + Show Spoiler + On who lynches who: There are instigators of lynches, lead protagonists, case writers, and hammer voters of Lynches however despite some peoples desire to retrospectively rewrite reality such that they are the centre of the universe and they personally Lynched scum... usually it is also everyone else in the thread too, each playing a different role. Even if some only plays the role of deciding who to sheep, there is no good lynch without first the sheep also making the right decisions. So in general, no one lynches any one. Real causation in terms of necessary and sufficient conditions is a complex amorphous beast. More generally: So unless you are determined to be disappointed in life/this game I suggest some creative/figurative rewriting/reinterpretation of your goals (Doing that is less self deceptive than, (as some people do) subsequently rewriting reality/history when overly specific wishes fail to materialize.) Thus being disappointed if I didn't make a good faith effort to lynch the host might well be a more realistic wish. Even that however, is on this occasion, likely to fall well short of the mark. It is a bit like praying to god and not only wishing for a Lamborghini, but also specifying what its number plate should be... Well it is just like that, except in this case I am not anything like god, well that and, "these are not the Lamborghinis you are looking for". Instead, be Zen, and cast yourself upon the flowing waters of life, and its inherent chaos, and see where that takes you. Will you settle for a good faith effort to be as novel/entertaining as an attempt to Lynch the host? + Show Spoiler + While at the same time always good faith playing to win.+ Show Spoiler + Dear Host: I promise to neither cause nor facilitate the causation of defecating in the thread as finding smelly scum in smelly excrement is hard unless you are an expert Scatologist. + Show Spoiler + That amongst other things is an "in" joke that is not yet funny for you. On second thought it will probably (maybe) only ever be funny to me as I once knew a Scatologist and ever since the fact that studying pooh is a serious scientific endeavour has made playing pooh sticks much more fun. TL DR; I am, primarily, only responsible for how I cast my one vote. edit: typos | ||
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On March 30 2013 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote: I won't be here for the first 24 hours. Out of SPITE.  I don't know about 24 hours, but if you guys start on Sunday, I can guarantee I will be posting on Monday. Not because I am temporally retarded, I am just comparatively advanced. :z | ||
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On March 30 2013 10:00 AxleGreaser wrote: I don't know about 24 hours, but if you guys start on Sunday, I can guarantee I will be posting on Monday. Not because I am temporally retarded, I am just comparatively advanced. :z So now its Monday... so I posted.. are we still starting Sunday? | ||
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On April 01 2013 07:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Hapa makes this panda sad. Hapa makes this panda temporally dizzy.+ Show Spoiler + My guess is this panda should stop holding its breath while waiting in anticipation. I am not sure what that panda should do to not be sad... | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [ LOL] + Please: Do remember that reading whats inside a Lol-XXX is considered an optional extra and probably not win condition related. Also, its not my that fault the game start got delayed so long... and I got bored.... just consider these the trolly, keep the thread alive posts from the first 3 days (days -2,-1, 0) when everyone else was AFK. + Show Spoiler [ Lol- Flavour of Skip ] + With a nod to the falcon... page 1: Scene: 'dingy office on the lower outback.' My name is Axle..., AxleGreaser, (unlicensed scum hunter ordinaire #290296) It was a day like any other day, wet and dreary, just the kind of weather that lets you walk around with your trench coat collar folded up without attracting unwanted attention. Excellent sleuthing weather, but I had nothing to sleuth. Times had been slow, and as I had nothing else to do so I was kicking back in my office, waiting for something beautiful to walk through the door, when it did. <Ba da da Dummmmmm.....> In through the door walked, Skip, two limpid pools of love, you could die of thirst peering into the depths of those dark dark eyes. When she fixed that imploring gaze upon you, nothing else existed but those eyes. Time simply stood still as I bathed in the beauty that stood before me. Dressed from head to foot in only a black fur coat. The coat had a lustrous sheen that simply drew you in as it followed and clung the supple curves of her body. It was love at first sight, I would do anything those eyes asked me to do. Then, she shook herself, and sprayed mud all over the room. + Show Spoiler [Page 2 (aka dramatic, page turning siz…] + That broke the spell..., and the now scrawny black dog looked up at with those same sad dark eyes that just let me know, some scummy bastard had been mistreating her. I was still going to do anything those eyes asked, but now I was an angry, determined, a sum hunter. Thus my, sordid divorce case days ended, and scum hunting career began! From that day forth, Skip was my partner in the pursuit of scum wherever they hide, Skip like all dogs has an amazing sense of smell, and homes in on anything smelling scummy, but as all dogs do, has slight natural predilection to also just rolling in anything that is smelly. Thus we make perfect team, Skip ferrets out the smelliest things that are around and I analyse them to see which ones are scummy, and which are simply “off colour”, “bad mana”, or simply “just bad”. And folks, Fe Fi Fo fum, Skip smells scum lurking in this town. Right here in Noir city, we got scum, that rhymes with <Ba da da Dummmmmm....>. …. Oh heck lets just, lynch em!. Lynch em all and let Dog sort out his own. So far the thread has been fairly interesting. getting to L-2 and all that jazz. Normally i really dont like telling scum how not to look scummy, this one, IMO, is even more important than has been defined so far. policy: For Gods sake, if you are town, do NOT Lol Hammer. If you do..... it will be one hell of scum marker against you, hence not a townie thing to do. Even if you actually were right and lynched scum... why did you want to stop the discussion so suddenly... what did you want NOT to happen... If you are town; For Gods sake do NOT Lol Hammer. Ok, I kinda hope everyone knew that, but given one or two statements in the thread i am not sure. So operating on the assumption not everyone knows what to do, rather than just say what not to do I will say what I think you should do if you think you want to hammer. How to hammer vote? State that you intend too Hammer in the thread and see what happens.... | ||
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@everyone: Anyone here? I suppose I could chat(play fetch) with Skip for a while.... @Ghor Starting small and procedural: @Ghor as I don't know what time zone you are in... would you mind saying? I'd like to get some idea when our posting time will overlap. I am from +11, but I do get up late... Other people i can mainly guess from previous games. + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2013 11:26 Ghor wrote: ghor not like this statement. ghor not think risk evaluated kenpachi rule with statistics. if he does he remember games where it worked. but does he know game where it not worked?ghor want proof. look like risk defend strange rule to save himself. ghor think risk need tell what scummy about hopeless, risk said he look scummy. what make him more scummy than others who say privjet but no contribute? While there is no need to use big words to say big/good ideas. one word you use has me stumped. What is "privjet" ? (I(Google) think it means Hello.)(but id like to be sure, and id like the thread to know what you meant.) "what make him more scummy than others who say privjet but no contribute?" means "what make him more scummy than others who say hello but no contribute?" | ||
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On April 02 2013 12:33 Ghor wrote: ghor like keep his timezone secret. but i can tell this time bad for ghor normally.today exception. ghor liked story, but disappointed when not erotic. ghor no like erotic with dogs. privjet = hello yes, no writing kyril here, capitalist amerikanskij web. ============== ghor like know what axle think of risk, and comrades that privjet and disappear. In general, I don't do what other people who either may or may not be scum tell me to do. I do however have to cooperate and let you find out what you need to to know that I am town. + Show Spoiler [LOL?] + This may not be quite relevant, but _if_ there is indeed language barrier it may be useful. This was not quite the point of the story... "ghor liked story, but disappointed when not erotic. ghor no like erotic with dogs." Story was meant to have twist and be funny, by first tricking you into thinking one thing then surprising you. Its wasn't erotic with dogs, it was compassionate with dogs. The erotic was left over from when you were first believing the facts of Skip fitted a human female. When in truth one set of observations, had two(or more) very different explanations. Even now you cant really be certain of some things in that story... + Show Spoiler [Other explanations] + Some stories are fictional stories where the characters are animals, perhaps the detective in my story is a dog too? (truth: I did intend the detective to be a now angry dog owner) While that seems a total distraction from the game and scum hunting, a personal practical actual reminder of how tunneled you get when you judge a book by its cover was useful. Axle on Risk. I think Risk is under quite a bit of pressure. I think Risk has rather plausibly (given his time zone) claimed the need to go to sleep. I am left wondering what the Risk voters think they should do right now... and little intrigued none of them seem to be doing that. Apart from that, for now Risk is big boy, risk can look after himself. As I don't know if Risk is town or scum for sure, now is the time for me to watch and decide if Risk is scummy, or are the people pushing him scummy and trying to look useful by parking their votes on him. Also while I accept your desire not to state the time zone you are in, failing to indicate in advance when you will need to leave the thread to sleep etc, does mean that if you continue to choose not to say when you are available, and you get pressured as Risk just has, if that is when you choose to inform us "So sorry, Ghor has to sleep now", saying that then will look bad, or at least much worse than Risk going to sleep; It *is* late where Risk is posting from. Thus you being a little more specific about when you expect to be unavailable might be helpful to you. You can however choose to not give town that information. Axle on Policy Lynches. Flat out rules of the form... if Do this, then we Lynch that, are silly. Everything people do provides an amount of evidence. The reason I so strongly opposed LOL hammering is that is such a not town thing to do that if any towny is silly enough to do it, it may lose us the entire game as they would then look so scummy. I mention this notion of strength of evidence, because to me so far the thread seems little disconnected between strength evidence and the pressure applied. However just like my dog story I have several explanations for the same facts, it is just matter of deciding what is most likely. | ||
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On April 02 2013 12:33 Ghor wrote: ghor like know what axle think of .... and comrades that privjet and disappear. People who turn up see that stuff, is happening in the thread so they don't need to take the risk of saying anything at all look scummy to me. As mentioned, pretty much everything has multiple explanations, if it did not this game would be easy. Sometimes it is important not butt in, if the conversation is going fine, and the exchange is providing you information there is no need for it to be you driving the thread. Indeed one way scum would save a partner, is to start some new line of enquiry to distract people. So silence is sometimes good thing. Saying hello then going silent however... that is harder to explain as a town action. It amounts to claim they have nothing useful to say. | ||
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@Sylencia Syl, I would like to ask you questions about your views of the thread, or see if I can read the mindset behind your posting, or posts but you don't seem to have made any. That is risky way to Start D1. Do you have any thoughts on the thread at all so far? just to be clear, ##vote Sylencia (your post time meta suggest you should normally be available soon) Do something, do something now please? | ||
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On April 02 2013 15:14 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Why the fuck does one of you not speak English and the other one fancy himself a short story writer? Why the fuck do you choose to express yourself so succinctly that if you are town it is very hard for me to tell? Why is that rhetorical question inflammatory of an emotive response? I have scummy reasons that would explain that, do you have towny one? Is that succinctness a purposeful stratagem so that when you are scum it is easier to fake? Note my question actually addresses the game rather than merely inflaming... While we are about it... In this post On April 02 2013 08:56 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I don't feel like this game getting out of hand spammy and I also hate when one person triggers the "I'm town" bullshit. So let's save us some time and kill VisceraEyes? ##Vote: VisceraEyes you were all for lynching VE. by this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18177697 Your position was reversed and you are voting for the person your top scum read just voted for. Did you examine this logic On April 02 2013 10:15 VisceraEyes wrote: I had a similar thought regarding risk.nuke. Why bring up the Kenpachi Rule at all if he had no intention of following it? My thoughts brought me to "He's scummy". He's either: 1) Scum trying to incriminate RoL innocuously by "joking" about Kenpachi Rule. 2) Town trying to trap someone into agreeing with his assessment and voting RoL. I ruled out 2 by asking him if he thought RoL was scum because of it, and he doesn't, which leaves 1). ##Vote: risk.nuke Conversely I'm very null on RoL. Abhorring my play-style is very NOT alignment indicative for that guy. and find it persuasive? | ||
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On April 02 2013 16:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: If someone were to call me out on trying to fish for a reaction and get information I would probably just ignore them and their question. There are two posts of risk.nuke that stand out for me. He says what he could do as scum. But I don't believe that's how it would go. You bring up an idea and let people run with it or see where the thread takes it. If he were to do that it would also put pressure on him to keep up that level of aggression/focus on players. It's not a position most scum would be comfortable putting themselves in on Day 1. I never heard of this rule, and here he is reinforcing the idea of it being accurate, but also mentioning that I might be immune to it since I am an older player. I don't like how he tried to simultaneously say how easy he could incriminate me if he was scum and how he is still trying to pretend this Kenpachi tell thing is real. As scum you couldn't possibly put so much pressure on someone for something so stupid. That is interesting, and i have interactions/explanations Id like to see with risk.nuke about what he did. I have other issues not yet stated, but I have those for several players. I find it intriguing however that when I (or VE whoever you were answering) asked about why you voted for risk.nuke and I asked if you found the argument against him compelling... What you quote in your next post is things he said *after* you voted for him. What were the things he said before you voted for him that lead you to vote for him? I assume you did have reason at the time and not just one you found afterwards? | ||
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On April 02 2013 16:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Axel you never gave your own comment on risk.nuke. When I looked for your thoughts on risk this is what I found. Nowhere in any of this are your thoughts on anything risk.nuke has posted, his interactions with anyone in the thread - there's literally no original thought in there aside from "I believe risk's claim that he went to sleep". Instead of getting all up in RoL's grill for voting for risk, why don't you provide your thoughts on risk's play. Twice in this snip alone you sprinkle doubt on the pushers of the risk wagon. Do you think he's town getting the shaft? Are you suspicious of people pushing risk.nuke as your post seems to allude to? You are indeed correct i have not yet pushed risk. His absence would make that hard. Nor have I jumped on throwing on more points or a vote. It was pretty early in the Day to be at L-1. That smells wrong. The first time through as I watched the thread in real time, I actually found you looking scummy. (As i already had some of your earlier posts flagged.) Sometime since then i have gone back, un-tunnelled myself and tried to 'make up a story' about what happened. (by make up story, I mean this, I don't know who is scum so I try each combination of who might and see which wine is easiest to drink.) What I don't do is start with a conclusion and see if I can find evidence for it, I can make sense of that period in the thread, with risk acting with scummy motivation, I can make sense of it with you being scum, and i can make sense of it with RoL opportunistically sheeping you. As recently as this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18178835 you were yourself asking RoL for independent reasons for his vote. Indeed I think he was failing at answering your question when he provided reasons for the vote that came after the vote. | ||
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On April 02 2013 16:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: No, I explained with my vote why I had been doing it. I expanded on my reasoning in my last post. The last post showed risk.nuke continuing to do what I originally outlined. Like I said, it was like he was looking for someone to pick up the slack of the kenpachi tell. Ok, I asked because I didn't regard your original vote, as having the kind of reasoning I would want to put the L-2 vote down in rapid succession to the L-3 vote, especially early in the day. I am sorry but I do have actual questions about the scummyness of actions, but a problem in that whoever I ask them of first it helps someone else who I also think might be scum make up a more plausible story. I'd kind of like to hear what risk has to say for himself when he comes back. In some ways, its your posts in this session that give me are better feel for who is wriggling on the hook, and who is town. I also have to remember to try out the story that everyone in the story is town, and scum are laughing themselves silly and lurking. So lurkers have something to say. | ||
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##unvote Sylencia I may of course re-vote you sometime, with some scum cause but now I (and everyone else) have something to analyse. Also while volume was good idea, list posts, ... not so much. As other people may or may not have trouble understanding(as they live in their own time zones), I will define Syls probable post timing reasons. The game started at 9.00am AEST, Syl probably had other RL commitments but managed to say stuff anyway. Thus I am not overly concerned by any aspect of the timing of posts, but I didn't want it to drag on. Consider that a complete 180 on the previous vote. Spoilered as i actually respond to most of Syls post, so it is large. + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2013 18:53 Sylencia wrote: Axle, you're just casually throwing a vote for me when you know when I post? Alright.. No problem I will do you that service each time, we reach a similar situation. I will also just as casually unvote it. I wanted to be sure you responded tonight(AEST). On April 02 2013 18:53 Sylencia wrote: My thoughts so far: - Ghor: Whether this is serious or not, language barriers are going to end up hurting us pretty bad if we don't get usefulness from him soon. Going back to my previous games, I had a Peruvian in the game who was scum (with me) and nothing he did could be interpreted since we weren't sure if it was ocmpletely understood or if he was just doing his own thing. I personally don't like having such a wildcard in the game. His 2 posts so far have shown he hasn't really provided any thought to what has been said and he's keeping the most trivial things secret. Example: Ghor said this. "if risk town he can play harder than everyone else now and know if he does not, he dead. but need other opinion from not posting people first." IMO: You need to read it as this.... "if risk is town aligned, if he can now play harder than everyone, else if he does not, he is going to get lynched." "but We need to hear opinions from the not posting people first." (aka if the Lynch goes to easy, even if it hits scum, that is worse for town than if we have full discussion) Ghor, might be just as bad player as Jungle Jorge was in recent game....who turned out to be Sandroba.... On April 02 2013 18:53 Sylencia wrote: - risk: As noted by others, there've been a few flaws in what he's said, the primary one being the Kenpachi trap statement, with 0 followup and a backtrack of what was implied. I do feel though that the early votes are... a bit early. The vote I dislike the most being CC's vote which is an example of why I don't enjoy throwing around votes on Instant Majority. It'd be too easy to have scum hammer down with few words said. Really? You think it would be easy for scum to hammer someone like risk out of the blue and get away with it.... The votes did stop at L-2... I said some fairly firm words about LOL hammering. I suspect many hopefully all townies wont LOL hammer, if risk is town and scum want to LOL hammer a townie, even at L-1, and trade 1 for 1 that is a losing game strategy. However as, the 'expert' Ghor claims, risk may well have to play well not to eventually get lynched there is some player credibility in those first 3 votes. On April 02 2013 18:53 Sylencia wrote: - Cheesecake: This filter looks atrocious in my eyes, casting an early vote with little thought, yet providing no substance while he's around. Not sure if trolling around is his meta but seems pretty scum from here. Indeed his filter does not look good. Early votes such as his can be cast with little thought. Even my vote on you was a very very low risk thing to do even though it is now not early. Cheesecake, can play. So yeah that filter is not good so far, but it is also true that in my view Cheesecake should, not now pile more points reasons, on the case against Risk, with more words. However, If we get to L-1 on risk, Then Cheesecake will need to provide a reason to not retract his to me original fairly just for lols vote. @Cheesecake Right now Cheese... I think you ought do something in the thread, please choose your own target(s) HOWEVER for preference what I'd like to know is who else Cheesecake thinks looks scummy. We do after all have to lynch scum tomorrow... On April 02 2013 18:53 Sylencia wrote: - Axle: As usual, I'm honestly not sure what is being said that often from you. Sorry I do try. Sometimes I know I am very trying. You could always ask a direct question about a post. On April 02 2013 18:53 Sylencia wrote: - Rebirth: Main thing I don't like is the super early 'precaution' vote on VE, it's almost like baiting him into flaming you back hard so you could nail him for it. Doesn't seem like anythign came from it though but still strikes me as odd as to the reasoning behind it. Q: Is there actually such a thing as the Kenpachi Rule? RoL says he hasn't heard of it, I haven't been around long enough to hear about it at all, and so this oculd be a major point RoL has made if no one has seen this apparent rule in action. -VE: So far from what I've read, there are solid arguments and reasoning coming from VE with regards to risk, and as far as I can see so far, he's looking the most townie. This can obviously change with flips etc. but so far, he's the one I've got greatest town read on. I'm pretty much null on the other 2.. As for my vote, I'm wanting to wait for risk to see what he says but I find CC's vote to be just too casual and without providing anything else after just doesn't seem right to me. #-#Vote Mr. Cheesecake FYI: yes I have heard of Kenpachi trap, so has Google, ... BTW Cheese... That's a vote on you by Syl ^^^^ Do something, Do something now? Although you are on the Risk wagon, (as the pseudo instigator) Id prefer you did anything other than bury him deeper until he deigns to respond to stuff or whatever it is a towny risk thinks he should do now. | ||
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I have very short question Syl... are you around? | ||
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Do Not LOL Hammer When you post "intent to Lynch" you then need to wait until we also get last reads from any plausible nks. In game with just instant majority Lynch it is AFAIK good idea to always post 'intent to Lynch' before anyone hammers the lynch. (I have never played in one... so that is hearsay) In this game we also have silent nights. If some tard LOL Hammers then the immediately imposed silence, means whoever scum nks gets no chance, to post their _other_ reads. As scum are likely to kill who-evers input they most want to stop. Loosing the nk's last _other_ reads (and flip speculation) is a bad thing. So to operate in its own best interests, Town needs just a little organisation near the hammer vote. I for instance have some things to say, I want to say them after we get to intent to Lynch. (While by dead reckoning, on the basis of prior form, I numerically shouldn't be the kill, but scum does weird WIFOM shit sometimes.) | ||
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On April 02 2013 20:58 risk.nuke wrote: Hopeless1der it started with this post. He's pretty much around but doesn't do anything or comments on anything of worth. His three posts tells us he was around and this is what he choose to comment on? Compare to other filters, dessert fruity His other two posts one is a sheep-post where he talks briefly about hammers, which is fine but it doesn't really add anything. The second and last one is some cheap shots which mostly just serve to tell us he's not reading the thread and if he is he's just skimming through it without caring when we're 1½ pages. risk I am little confused you said you'd post about "hapa" which confused the dickens out of me as hapa is not playing. hapa is hosting... In this post you say... "it started with this post." What started? are you responding to a question? What is the "it" that started? | ||
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On April 02 2013 21:07 risk.nuke wrote: sorry, hapa=hopeless What started was I ment what first rubbed me the wrong way with him, the post that makes you want to click at their filter. On April 02 2013 20:58 risk.nuke wrote: Hopeless1der it started with this post. .... So when you said "it started with this post." "What started was I ment what first rubbed me the wrong way with him, the post that makes you want to click at their filter." Could you walk me through when and how this happened please? When did that post rub you the wrong way? | ||
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