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Since no one has mentioned it, I figure I may as well. At the very least everyone should, when voting for someone, note if their vote puts the person at L-1. Ideally I'd like people to note the position that each vote puts a player in, but it's not nearly as relevant when they're at L/2 votes or less. I'm not sure how I feel about policy lynching people that claim miller. I'd rather spend today's lynch on scum, and I need to see more from BM to know if he is. At this point I would say that miller's should claim if they feel that they're in danger of wasting a detective action (and not before that point), but that all miller claims should be treated as a mark against the player, rather than a scum claim. Enough about policy. Right now I would like to lynch TheRavensName. (I think someone mentioned that they have a town read on him, if you have something relevant that would explain things, please tell me.) On April 21 2013 23:01 TheRavensName wrote: I thought it just genuinely showed disapointment. I've always had difficulty understand what to do at the start of day 1, and I see that there really is no good way to start day 1 in a purely productive way. So I suppose your right, I'm trying to downplay what happens because it doesn't seem productive, unless of course we need to know why Yamato has many weapons that arn' t guns..... And I think its more suspicious to ask in that way rather than, just ask.... seeing as how he didn't even vote baselessly or hasn't made an ssue out of it yet. If we went after everyone who accused someone day 1 just kinda in passing, we'd never get anything resembling a case or something. Things I don't like about this chain of quotes: "I thought it just genuinely showed dissapointment" that reads scummy to me. It sounds like he tried, and failed to have his post sound like someone who is dissapointed in the atmosphere of the town, and is trying to reaffirm that in other people's minds. He attacks the discussion so far, then sort of waffles on it, but then admits he's trying to attack the discussion. He picks the most meaningless parts of the discussion to bring up, or downplays their importance: Bill Murray talking in caps, reducing Palmar's interaction to an OMGUS, stating the conversation was unproductive, bringing up Yamato's "weapons but not guns", and then saying that small interactions are not particularly important. I don't see critical thought in the way he looks at other players, I think everyone should have come away from the first few pages with a few town reads, but he just looks at it as if it's spam for the sake of spam. @TheRavensName Who would you like to lynch right now? Could you please link me to any games you have played on TL or elsewhere? Do you think Oats is more likely scum, or more likely town? On April 22 2013 03:01 getmoript wrote: It's me and Marv, but really more like reverse shadowing or something similar. Honestly VE, I think you're being a bit unreasonable here. Marv, I'd be gay for you if you post more than once or twice per cycle. | ||
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On April 22 2013 05:17 ObviousOne wrote: Sylencia this post makes you sound nervous. The structure of the sentence, as normally seen in literature, makes it look like you are hiding something. You seem to have let this drop off rather casually, as did Yamato. IMO the early prod of you on Yamato's part worked because you have demonstrated here that you are possibly hiding something. Your second post says to disregard your first, so all I have to go on from you is that you are nervous. So are you hiding the fact that you are scum? Or are you hiding that you haven't a clue what is going on? Please explain thoroughly your opinion on at least two players so I can learn about you. Your filter is too scummy to ignore. Noticed this too, I think Sylencia would be a good lynch today as well. ObviousOne, what do you think about TheRavensName? | ||
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On April 22 2013 05:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: OO: Sharrant. Will be explaining in a bit, making food right now. I'm excited for this. @Ace @Palmar What do you think of TheRavensName? What do you think of Sylencia? @WaveofShadow You said before you were having trouble coming up with reads, do you have someone you would like to lynch today yet? | ||
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On April 22 2013 06:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: I read BM's post as a miller claim. If it wasn't, he needs to explain this: - What was the purpose of making that post? There is no reason for a townie to say anything that does not lead into finding scum or proving their towniness. I don't see that post achieving either of those things. If the claim was actually real, i want BM to explain why he thought it was a good idea to claim miller D1. Millers should not claim. All it does is that it tells the thread that they will give out a red result if checked by a cop. Why would you be a good cop check in the first place if you are town? You should prove you are town by your actions so that there is no reason for anyone to assume you are mafia, and the cops should check suspicious people instead. Claiming miller on D1 is extremely suspicious because it already shows you are afraid of being checked by a cop. If you are a miller, and are checked, so what? Tough luck, then you claim and town will believe you or not. But the place to claim is not the start of D1. This is not a policy lynch, BM's miller claim post is scummy. About Sharrant. Sharrant accuses TRN of things. The case in itself is not scummy and i could see someone seeing TRN's posts in that light, i just don't get the same feeling from TRN's posts. Having played with him on NMXXXIX, i can tell that he has no idea how to act in the start of the game. Here he seems to be trying to figure out things and share his thoughts about stuff he is asked about. Fine, why is Sharrant scummy? - He's discussing the "policy lynch BM" matter but does not reach any kind of a conclusion that points towards this particular situation. - Asks TRN about his last games. It's not TRN's job to find those games to him. It's Sharrant's job to find out TRN's affiliation and TRN wasting time on telling him about his last games is a waste of time that does not help TRN find mafia. Seems like Sharrant is lazy and does not want to find out things on his own. Townies should not do that. I did reach a conclusion about policy lynching BM: " I'd rather spend today's lynch on scum, and I need to see more from BM to know if he is." And about millers in general: "At this point I would say that miller's should claim if they feel that they're in danger of wasting a detective action (and not before that point), but that all miller claims should be treated as a mark against the player, rather than a scum claim." Those are right there at the very top of my first post. I'm interested as to how you either missed that, or as to why you decided to completely misrepresent me. The last part of your case is even weaker, I don't think it even needs to be touched upon. We obviously disagree about TheRavensName's posting so far. But you said something very strange. On April 22 2013 06:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Particularly this post of his: + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2013 23:19 TheRavensName wrote: /shrug And what will we get out of threatening him at all? What does either lynching him for not liking a posted policy(? (Thats what that was right?)) or becase he just decided to troll actually accomplish (I think this one is more likely)? These are literaly the only responses he could make (That make any logical since and any others should count as trolling really) and I just don't see how either could prove guilt or innocense. But if you feel so strong on making him talk, why arn't you voting for him since apparently one vote isn't going to cut it? I didn't mean he is trying to find mafia. I meant he is trying to find out how to play @ the game start, what to look for and what to call people out for. If you read his exchange with yourself, you should easily figure out he has no clue how to act in the beginning of the game. This does not make him 100% town but i doubt he would be openly expressing his thought about that matter if he was mafia, i think he would be far more cautious about what he says. What makes me scummy in your eyes? Now see, in that quote you actually say "I didn't mean he is trying to find mafia". But wasn't part of your case on me that " It's Sharrant's job to find out TRN's affiliation and TRN wasting time on telling him about his last games is a waste of time that does not help TRN find mafia. Seems like Sharrant is lazy and does not want to find out things on his own. Townies should not do that." So you say he is actually not attempting to discern who in the thread are the mafia, but you still have a town read on him. Townies should scum hunt, yes? I don't see how you can view him as townie while acknowledging that he is not scum hunting and still try and make the case on me that you did. Your reads do not match up. There is something wrong here. | ||
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On April 22 2013 06:45 Ace wrote: @Sharrant: RN looks like a noobie to me. I see. I am assuming this to be you saying he looks like a noobie town then, yes? Or are you saying he seems new, and null? Is there someone you would be comfortable with lynching right this second (aside from Bill Murray)? Is there someone you would recommend looking into? | ||
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On April 22 2013 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sharrant: I am not trying to "policy lynch" BM. I think BM is scum. Bringing up the miller policy into this discussion adds nothing, because it's irrelevant regarding my reasons for wanting to lynch BM. So you really think it's TRN's job to find all his games to you? Do you want him to analyze them for you aswell? There are a lot of players who have not done scumhunting. TRN posted a comment on the game start -> people started question him -> he went defensive. I don't see how that is scummy for a new player whose first non-newbie game this is. My scumread on you is not strong at all, at least you did point him into doing something productive, asked him about who he does want to lynch and about Oats. So we'll see whta he answers. This needs pointing out. One: I did not accuse you of trying to policy lynch Bill Murray. What you quoted at the top there, that is about you saying I did not come to a conclusion about policy lynching miller claims. It's interesting that you feel the need to be defensive about that. Two: You are hilariously hung up on me asking for his games. If he's a townie, then he should be all for establishing his townieness. I am not going to search through other forums to try and find where he may have possibly played, especially given he could have played under any name he wanted. You think that asking that automatically means that I have not looked at his games on TL. I'm still interested on why you think this is so scummy? It's actually gotten to the point I find this hilarious. Three: On April 22 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Anyone who claims miller on D1 should be lynched. ##Vote: Bill Murray On April 22 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Anyone who claims miller on D1 should be lynched. ##Vote: Bill Murray On April 22 2013 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes there is, if you don't know if they even exist/how many of them there are. Everyone who claims miller should be lynched. You're definitely right, you have a big case on BM, and it has nothing to do with policy. I had no opinion of you trying to lynch Bill Murray, I have no idea yet if he's a good lynch or not. But how do you explain that? The thing you have posted about most in this game, is policy lynching BM and anyone else who does what he did. ##unvote:TheRavensName ##Vote:Raynepelikoneet | ||
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On April 22 2013 08:04 getmoript wrote: So the fact that I've been avoiding you is scummy? Explain or die. Geript, WaveofShadow, both of you get on target here. You can return to your little slap fight afterwards if you want, but read the last few pages. Look at the cases on Rayne, and look at his filter. Then put your votes where they belong, and comment. | ||
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On April 22 2013 08:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar could you or someone else like Ace come in and tell these idiots why claiming miller at the start of the game is either scummy or extremely dumb. So, we're back to you wanting to lynch BM as a policy because he claimed miller? On April 22 2013 08:09 Ace wrote: newbie and null. Not interested in lynching anyone specific at the moment. I'm just sitting back reading and will see what happens. I'm a little wary of you sitting back, I've heard you generally take a less active role as scum. What do you think of Rayn right now? | ||
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On April 22 2013 08:20 Ace wrote: I dont know why people keep saying that. I've got more than 30 games on this forum behaving all kinds of ways. My activity depends on how I feel, what I see, and how active other players are. Ah, I see. It's just something I've heard brought up so many times I thought it was true. As you were, but I'm hoping you'll post something awesome today. QUOTE]On April 22 2013 08:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Sharrant I had thought the same thing about Ace in the past but the past few games as town he has done the exact same thing. Null to me.[/QUOTE] Good to know, thank you. | ||
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On April 22 2013 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sharrant let's end this incredibly useless shit about the policy lynch. I have told the thread why i'm voting for BM, and i'm expecting him to answer me regarding that. We are getting nowhere before we hear from him and this is really useless. Call my vote a policy lynch vote or whatever, i really don't care before BM comes in and answers. I have only talked about policy lynch stuff when other people have brought that topic up. No, I want to sort this out. If you answer this for me satisfactorily, I will give you a reprieve for a bit. What is your exact reasoning for voting for BM. Give me one paragraph, with your thought process. If it's policy, tell me it's policy and the exact policy. If you have other reasoning for it, please detail that reasoning to the best of your ability. I will be reading and cooking for a while. I know this is a Sunday, but I would really like more people to be active. There's 25 people in this game, and honestly it feels like a mini to me. Thank you to the people who are being active. | ||
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On April 22 2013 08:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sharrant: I think there is no reason for a townie to claim miller for the reasons i explained before. If BM was not in fact claiming miller, he should have a damn good reason why he decided to post what he did, because posting (joking?) that as town does not make any sense. I see. I'll wait until Bill Murray is back in the thread before I say anything more about this then, if I feel the need to say anything more. Let's give ourselves another topic then. Pick a player who you would like to discuss with me, and I will read their filter while I cook and eat. I would suggest Mr. Cheesecake, but I would prefer it if you picked the candidate for discussion. | ||
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On April 22 2013 08:34 getmoript wrote: For saying that you want to see more out of BM today before you make a decision, you sure aren't interested in having BM pressured whatsoever. That makes absolutely 0 sense to me. Why do that? What's the point? Where is your line of thinking here? You're pressuring Rayn for doing something that he feels is likely to force BM to post more or provide a read. I think your 'case' is shit. Quite frankly, I don't see what's wrong about talking about policy or anything else. Nothing that you've said is damning. The real question is why are you trying to sell your pile of shit like it's anything other than a pile of shit? Explain. I will deal with this post after BM gets back, but as I have agreed with Rayne I will not discuss this any farther until such time. But you would do well to mind your language, anger and vitriol is not what this town requires. If it were not for the incident earlier with Marv and BH I would most likely be pushing for your lynch over Rayne's. I have found you incredibly scummy so far, but by merit out out of game action, you seem likely to be town. Now, I do have a theory about what actually happened, and why Marv being kicked from the game actually points more towards you being scum, but the time for such speculation is post game. As such from this point I am ignoring all of Marv's interaction with the thread, and treating you as if you have been playing on your own from the start. We shall see how I feel after I have reread your filter in this new light a few times. | ||
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On April 22 2013 09:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sharrant are you treating Geript as confirmed town or not? I am treating him the same as everyone else. As I stated, I am willfully ignoring everything involving the hydra, Marv, and BH's mod actions. | ||
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On April 22 2013 09:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: If he is incredibly scummy why are you not voting for him? As I stated, I am currently cooking myself food, I have not yet completely come back to the game. When I read through his filter again, I will decide if my previous judgement of him being incredibly scummy stands, or whether he is townie. I quite explicitly stated that the point I have considered him a suspect from was only a few minutes ago, and that I have been busy. | ||
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On April 22 2013 09:08 Vivax wrote: Recap: Rayn would lynch hopeless. Sharrant, can you look at hopeless? Let me summarize his play so far: Attempts to stop people from getting townreads, agreeing with Kush on geript being town cause of marv. Basically, he started the game with a rather odd question. I don't think it's a prime interest for town to ask someone to expand on his townreads, especially at that early stage in the game. Why, you ask? Scum doesn't want townreads between townies, town doesn't care about townreads unless it concerns one of their scumreads, and neither me nor Palmar seemed to look scummy to hopeless, so I don't see his motivation for asking that question except for looking like he's doing something or let us talk about secondary stuf I will give his filter a read shortly, there's a few I have to go through so it will take some time. Except it some time after I have finished supper. | ||
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@Vivax On April 22 2013 01:05 Hopeless1der wrote: Palmar's explanation for why he gave you a townread doesn't make sense to me and I want to question it. No one is confirmed fuck-all until they flip, but you throw it around based on the fact that they posted in the thread before you. I'd call that as you being reckless. Not scum, not town. Palmar disagrees and has cited some kind of reasoning. I wish to hear it. This is the most bothersome quote in Hopeless' filter. It reads to me as if he already knows Vivax is town, so he's not thinking about the play in every possible scenario. If Vivax is town: The play is indeed somewhat reckless, but it also has some degree of accuracy. Mafia generally will float towards their QT at the beginning to check out their new toy, and coordinate. This is not fool proof, but is at least grounded in logic, and offers a decent way to focus your search during the first day. If Vivax is mafia: The play is bad. He's given out several townreads (which always sticks in peoples mind as mafia oriented), and he potentially denies himself opportunities for easy mislynches or he has to go back on his town reads. Whether or not that makes him suspicious to everyone else is moot, because it will make him feel like he's being suspicious and less safe. If Vivax is third party: This is pretty much the same as if he's town as his main goal is just survival, and scum hunting will help in that survival. That Hopeless does not seem to ever figure out why Palmar can attach town value to Vivax's statement, and that he does not seem to have mentally played out each situation is suspicious. There's a more I could write, but as is I would A) like to see more from him so I can see if he follows the same patterns I'm seeing B) I would prefer other lynches over him at this point. When I see more from him I will reevaluate again as to whether he should be more of a priority lynch. I do consider him a good lynch, and likely mafia, but there are others I would lynch before him. | ||
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