The balance on this map could very well be horrible, but it is still very, very cool. Looks like fun at the very least, could be legendary though, time to wait and see if it gets to the GSL or something.

Quakecomm

United States344 Posts

February 02 2013 05:34 GMT

What is that sad lonely gas doing back there?
It better be pretty high yield if your going to need that many workers mining it.

Unsane

Canada170 Posts

February 02 2013 05:45 GMT

Dat geyser.

I really like the rest of it looks-wise, just don't know much about the geyser. Ill assume the lack of information on that geyser is an oversight?

SiskosGoatee

Albania1482 Posts

February 02 2013 05:49 GMT

It might be like an über high yield geyser or something yeah, not sure.

bduddy

United States1326 Posts

February 02 2013 05:56 GMT

Are those gold minerals inside the rocks? Wow, this map is... interesting. And what are those burning things in the second pic? I assume that they're in play somehow, given that there are LoS blockers surrounding them...

Fatam

1986 Posts

February 02 2013 06:54 GMT

I think it's safe to assume the gas by itself is high yield (speaking of which, I wish Blizz would make a visual difference between normal and high yield geysers.. there's a diff between normal and HY minerals why not gas?).

Map is actually not weird in layout at all (it even has the super boring + token 2 towers near each other in the middle with narrow path inbetween), it just has gold minerals under the rocks at the nat and that geyser. I'm not sure I agree with the implementation, but I think anything that can mess with people's memorized timings and make them have to think on their feet more is good.

lost_artz

United States366 Posts

February 02 2013 08:52 GMT

On February 02 2013 14:56 bduddy wrote:
Are those gold minerals inside the rocks? Wow, this map is... interesting. And what are those burning things in the second pic? I assume that they're in play somehow, given that there are LoS blockers surrounding them...

It almost looks like there is a geyser hidden in there but it's hard to tell.

Timetwister22

United States538 Posts

February 02 2013 09:27 GMT

#10

Super neat stuff here. Don't like the fifths, but with the map size and layout, this map clearly supports early-mid game aggression. If a game makes late game, it's going to be a tense and close game where fifths should be fought for.

Ragoo

Germany2773 Posts

February 02 2013 11:15 GMT

#11

ATTx best Korean mapmaker: Confirmed!

Super interesting map and cool idea for the aesthetics.

Unsane

Canada170 Posts

February 02 2013 12:46 GMT

#12

i did not see those gold mineral patches, wow... neat idea

Randomaccount#77123

United States5003 Posts

February 02 2013 18:58 GMT

#13

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BretZ

United States1510 Posts

February 02 2013 19:03 GMT

#14

Is there anyway he could port this to HoTS?.. This deserves to be played and WoL will be emptying out here soon enough.

lorestarcraft

United States1049 Posts

February 02 2013 19:12 GMT

#15

I think I like this map quite a bit,

SiskosGoatee

Albania1482 Posts

February 02 2013 20:07 GMT

#16

Wow, gentlemen, calm down, it's a nice map, but it definitely has some flaws. Specifically the fact that the natural is extremely tough on ZvZ defending aggression and to a lesser extend ZvT as well as the lack of overlord spot to check natural mineral line saturation making ZvZ pretty much a coinflip and in general making it hard for Z to check when an expo is taken which they sort of need to see I feel.

Apart from that, 10 bases is on the edge, but in this case your fifth is basically an enclave in enemy territory. Not sure if intentional but it's on a high ground and allows T and P to set a massive amount of pressure on Z's fourth while Z cannot easily take their own fifth because the fourth of T allows for a similar amount of pressure on Z's fifth. I would as T probably expand vertically and take the enclave as a fourth which practically limits Z to four bases as well and establishes a very threatening forward position.

Not that this makes it a super bad map but 'best map of WoL' is an overstatement for a map which makes ZvZ essentially a coinflip without scouting almost.

Exigaet

Canada355 Posts

February 02 2013 20:24 GMT

#17

On February 03 2013 05:07 SiskosGoatee wrote:
Not sure if intentional but it's on a high ground and allows T and P to set a massive amount of pressure on Z's fourth while Z cannot easily take their own fifth because the fourth of T allows for a similar amount of pressure on Z's fifth.

How is this any different than taking a 5th on Ohana against Terran or Protoss?

SiskosGoatee

Albania1482 Posts

February 02 2013 20:52 GMT

#18

On February 03 2013 05:24 Exigaet wrote:

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How is this any different than taking a 5th on Ohana against Terran or Protoss?

Your fifth on Ohana is tucked away nicely and away from T's fourth. On this map they can put tanks on the high ground of their own fifth (or fourth even) which puts a lot of pressure on Z's fourth

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monitor

United States2409 Posts

February 02 2013 21:00 GMT

#19

Lot of cool things here. Honest though, it feels like a standard circle syndrome map with a twist. The inbase gas is sweet, though I'm really sure what the point.

Corner expo is cool but.. basically functions like a standard corner expo like CK.

The middle split paths are strange and I can't imagine how they're going to play. Towers definitely do not help anything imo.

So I guess... this is cool, but it seems like a lot of random ideas thrown together that aren't going to produce gameplay much different than many maps we've got already. But I do like it more than the other circle syndrome maps we've had (BelShir Beach, Dual Sight, Odd Eye)!

SiskosGoatee

Albania1482 Posts

February 02 2013 21:06 GMT

#20

Find myself agreeing with Monitor once in a while. It has the usual good parts and flaws of a map like this, with the added bonus of the nice quirks like the gas and the minerals blocked by rocks which is always cool for the sake of it because it's going to generate cool strats that people will no doubt develop using that gas and minerals.

I don't like the overall layout more than Dual Site though, which even though was imbalanced in PvZ generated some of the best TvZ games ever. Random quirks do make up for it.