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vVv gaming closes SC2 division

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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33388 Posts
January 29 2013 12:10 GMT
#1
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Announcement excerpt:

[i]Los Angeles, California – January 28, 2013 – Today, vVv Gaming bids farewell to its Starcraft 2 Division. With more than two years behind the title, we look back at some of our greatest successes and projects with our StarCraft players and community...

...vVv has had an excellent run with the competitive title and it is with fondness that we say goodbye. As of January 28th, vVv Gaming will no longer support a StarCraft 2 division. With players heading to other titles and the competitive support continuing to decline, we wish our StarCraft community members all the best in their future endeavors. With leaders like Babytoss, Razor and Salvor, we’re confident that they will continue to grow, expand and accomplish great things outside of vVv Gaming...


Some players have disputed the accuracy of the account, instead characterizing the closure instead as a player-exodus due to dissatisfaction with management.

BabyToss

I see all the talk about "We will coordinate with you guys with a good-bye thread" was nothing else but a lie.

Well, the truth is, the division as a whole agreed to leave vVv due to lack of visible support from upper management, which was always busy with LoL community inhouses and other stuff, and SC2 was just a bother to them. Alas, here goes my statement, why I and the others decided to leave:

"As of today, I am no longer part of vVv Gaming. We decided to part ways on mutual agreement. Here is my personal statement:
"It is time to move on. I joined vVv Gaming in April 2012, with hopes to grow both as a person and a StarCraft 2 player. I ended up coming up with Aspire in the end, to create the desired environment not just for myself, but also for other like-minded people, who wished to pursue StarCraft 2 on more competitive level.

In the end, the direction, which vVv Gaming began to take in last three months was in contradiction to the old values, reasons why I joined the organization and promises from the management, which began directing focus in other way, with their actions and decisions. As such, I believe moving on is the best way for both sides. I personally cannot continue supporting an organization, which doesn't visibly support my division, my team and the game.

All in all, if it wasn't for me joining vVv Gaming, I'd never get to chance to meet some of the awesome people here, I would not learn to be a captain of a team. Despite of all, thank you for all that time. I and my team may be leaving vVv Gaming, but I am not leaving StarCraft 2."


Hiei

The statement from RobZ is misleading, here's how it really went down.


Upper management removes the SC2 community, and the sponsered team (1 month after adding a High level player), but decides to keep the Aspire program. The point of the Aspire program (in our eyes) was to get us to a level to play on the sponsored team.

With the sponsored team being removed, a clear lack of direction upper management wanted to take with the division, no interest being shown from the upper management in concerns with the happenings with in the SC2 division, and the lack of communication between upper management and the SC2 division members/managers, the ENTIRE SC2 division lost faith that upper management truly had the best interest in the SC2 division at heart.

The excuse we were given from upper management was "they were spread to thin" and focusing on other projects. It just so happens that all of those projects focused on LoL. I'm fine with that, if that's their passion, go for it. But when other people within the SC2 community want to step up and get things rolling, because upper management doesn't is dragging their feet, the community members were constantly getting shut down, or sometimes not even addressed at all.

So the SC2 division came to the conclusion that vVv's upper management was only serving as a hindrance, and served no real use to the division as a whole, so the Aspire program decided to leave vVv.

If I'm wrong, may I be struck down where I stand (sit).


and

That's why everyone is upset. Doom and RobZ told Salvor that they'd be coordinating with eachother on an official release, so that vVv would get to say what they wanted, but the terms on which Aspire was leaving were absolutely clear. Doom and RobZ went completely over Sals head, and did not keep their word on the matter, only looking to cover their own ass, and perform as much damage control as possible, because it sounds a lot better to say.

"We're not supporting SC2 anymore, because the scene is shrinking," (an ignorant statement, showing their general lack of knowledge in the scene as a whole) rather than saying, "We no longer have an SC2 division, because our SC2 division lost faith in our management".

vVv is obviously using misdirection, and I honestly feel bad for a lot of the people in this community that are legitimately good people, and are getting/going to get screwed over by vVv. I can't blame them, I thought that a lot of the hate on vVv was unjustified when I first joined vVv, now I see it was more then justified.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33388 Posts
January 29 2013 12:13 GMT
#2
go forth, begin your parade of hate
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
LunaSea
Profile Joined October 2011
Luxembourg369 Posts
January 29 2013 12:19 GMT
#3
LordJerith won't be missed.
"Your f*cking wrong, but I respect your opinion" --Day[9]
rshswe
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden40 Posts
January 29 2013 12:22 GMT
#4
It's never good when this stuff happens, sad to see that there were some issues between players and management.
Starcraft was created to have a worst race. You always pick the worst one."
SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
January 29 2013 12:22 GMT
#5
Not really surprised. I was in them a long while ago and this happened with several games.
I really don't understand the reasoning for most of the stuff they do.
WetSocks
Profile Joined June 2012
United States953 Posts
January 29 2013 12:23 GMT
#6
"because the scene is shrinking." ? That statement made me sad. Good luck anyway vVv, especially the fighting games roster
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
January 29 2013 12:23 GMT
#7
Business as usual?
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
January 29 2013 12:28 GMT
#8
And in the end, nothing changes...
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-29 12:30:23
January 29 2013 12:30 GMT
#9
If anyone wants to know what the team's manager is like:

"Top 5" rants from this guy from the VVV show. Skip through it and it'll be obvious.

Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
Tabashi
Profile Joined June 2011
Belgium129 Posts
January 29 2013 12:45 GMT
#10
vVv is killing eSports!
"I'll be the hero you deserve." - HerO, aKa the Batman Protoss
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
January 29 2013 12:54 GMT
#11
I'm not surprised. The team has very little achievements in major tournaments and everyone who was good or at least decent left a long time ago, so lack of sponsorships and support from management is only expected.

In fact my only surprise is that this didn't happen sooner.
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
January 29 2013 12:55 GMT
#12
i really follow sc2 and watch a lot, but i dont know a single player of them. I guess they wont be missed too much?
Hater of MKP since GSL Open Season 2 | Fanboy of: NesTea Stephano IdrA DIMAGA MorroW ret DongRaeGu Snute SaSe Mvp ThorZaIN DeMusliM
RyanRushia
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2748 Posts
January 29 2013 12:57 GMT
#13
maybe i'm getting confused with dates, but wasn't a new player just recently announced by them? Surprised they'd do that then claim to shut down the program, anyway i wish the Aspire players the best of luck!
I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. | coL.Ryan | www.twitter.com/coL_RyanR
Siwelcela
Profile Joined November 2011
United States87 Posts
January 29 2013 12:58 GMT
#14
Karma has finally come around on vVv their management has been known around the sc2 community as just flat out terrible. Anyone questioning this should find the post of ROOTCatz thoughts on reddit where he basically calls the leader out super hard
pokes & fun
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-29 13:01:17
January 29 2013 13:00 GMT
#15
Yet another so called proteam who's players I can't even recognize or even can recall seeing in off-line tournaments.

@Zeon0:
you know more than me then, I didn't even know the team existed before I read this thread.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
Krogan
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden375 Posts
January 29 2013 13:00 GMT
#16
I watch every last major tournament and most smaller once and the only other time I remember hearing about vvv is when they started their sc2 team.
lost_artz
Profile Joined January 2012
United States366 Posts
January 29 2013 13:01 GMT
#17
Not to be rude, but who the hell is vVv? >_>
derpface
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden925 Posts
January 29 2013 13:01 GMT
#18
vVv and VT, I dont even know what those teams are. Think we are better without them.
gg no re #_< no1 Hydra and Leta fan >_#
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
January 29 2013 13:02 GMT
#19
What i read from Catz and other people, i wouldn't want to be part of the team either, even if the players are amazing.

I hope you SC2 guys find a new and more suitable team for you.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
ineversmile
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States583 Posts
January 29 2013 13:03 GMT
#20
Good riddance to unprofessional team management;

good luck to the players themselves.
Nostradamus.146@AM, Nostradamus.398@KR, Nostradamus.922@EU http://www.teamliquid.net/blog/ins
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