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Dustin Browder's Interview at PC Gamer

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Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
January 24 2013 19:20 GMT
#1
PC Gamer just added a long interview with Dustin Browder about eSport, balance, and more.

Excerpt from the website:

How do you go about designing a new unit or changing a unit to encourage that kind thing in what was a little bit of a stagnant metagame in Wings of Liberty?

Browder: You try to create really solid tools. You don’t know how they’re going to be used or if they’re going to be used, but you have to look at a unit and say, “You know, for its cost, that unit has uses. That could be effective.” An example I would give is the Warp Prism from the end of Wings of Liberty. We started seeing that more and more and more, as Protoss players started to be more threatened by immobile forces, and they needed the mobility to break up the danger.

When the Brood Lords and Infestors are out, it’s dangerous as hell, but it’s not fast. So what they would do, is they would say, “Okay, I’m going to try to spread you out. I’m going to try to pull you away from here by constant harassment with Warp Prism. And it could be very cost effective and very dangerous. We hadn’t changed that unit. But they were starting to use it that way.

So that’s the ideal, is to create the tools so that when they suddenly have the need, they have something they can do which changes the way the game plays. And so it’s this constantly cycling metagame that we’re not even touching.


What was the reasoning behind the decision—you guys were kind of pushing against unranked play for a long time, and now it’s finally coming in the expansion. Was that community feedback?

Browder: There was a big concern, and there still is a big concern … if you have ranked play and unranked play, are those two, separate matchmaking pools? And does that damage the matchmaker? Especially in some places in the world … I’m thinking Southeast Asia, there’s a few places where the population of gamers is just not that huge. And our population of players is not that huge. So the matchmaker can struggle in those areas.

...

So what we’ve finally said for unranked play is, we’re going to risk it. We’re going to put them into a single matchmaker [with ranked players]. Now, the concern from the community, and the concern internally, is, do people start abusing that system? When I come in unranked, do I say, “Hey, I’m unranked. Don’t worry, I’ll quit out before this game is over. Don’t quit.” Or some silliness. I don’t know. There could be 50 ways to break this. They’ll find a way if they want to find a way.

So if that starts to happen, now this feature is in trouble. If people start abusing it, then that’s why we can’t have nice things. But we kind of felt like the benefits were worth the risk. So ultimately, we’re taking the leap. And we’re saying, I hope our community doesn’t ruin this. I hope a handful of bad apples don’t find a way to make this go bad for us. I hope people play with this system with a little bit of honest integrity, which is a little scary with any online community.


From your perspective, what is killing eSports?

Browder: [Laughs] I thought I was killing eSports. I thought that was my title. I have the crown! That’s what Twitter keeps saying.

That’s the silliest question, because nothing is killing eSports. It’s growing at logarithmic rates. Did you ever think we would be here, in this, place, two and a half years later? We’re just swimming in pros, and so many events you can’t even keep track of them all. Like, we used to talk about timing patches relative to major eSports events. Now there’s no way.


There is no way for us to patch Wings of Liberty without it hitting an eSport event. We went live with our beta in the US, because we thought that was going to be enough to give us testing. And we have had nothing but feedback from all over the world that’s, “So, when can I run my tournament? I want to run a [Heart of the Swarm] tournament. I’m in Korea, or I’m in Europe. When can I run a HotS tournament?”

It’s just constant. The amount of constant input coming into this studio, “More! More! This! That!” It’s just insane. So, the idea that anything is killing eSports is nuts. eSports is growing out of control. It’s alive and breathing and flying away. I have no idea when it’s going to stop.

And I think the StarCraft community should take some pride and joy in that. They should take some ownership of that, and say, “We did that. We helped build this. We are ground-floor, core contributors to what makes any eSport going forward.” They should, in their minds and hearts, claim some of that. Because they’ve absolutely earned it. They were on the ground floor. They were here when it really started to happen.
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LuisFrost
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico130 Posts
January 24 2013 19:21 GMT
#2
Here's the link: http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/01/24/starcraft-ii-heart-of-the-swarm-mega-interview-with-dustin-browder/
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-24 19:49:59
January 24 2013 19:34 GMT
#3
Thanks for posting, will read.

Edit: hm, not much new stuff in there. I'm also not entirely sure if this is real or parody, right? Like, what in the world, who talks like that, right? I mean, right? DB is a cool dude though
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AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-24 19:37:19
January 24 2013 19:36 GMT
#4
"I’m going to try to pull you away from here by constant harassment with Warp Prism. And it could be very cost effective and very dangerous. We hadn’t changed that unit. But they were starting to use it that way."

Yes they did change the Warp Prism, they buffed the shield hp on it.
Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
January 24 2013 19:38 GMT
#5
Those answers you quoted sound really solid, time to read the rest.
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Insoleet
Profile Joined May 2012
France1806 Posts
January 24 2013 19:39 GMT
#6

Browder: [Laughs] I thought I was killing eSports. I thought that was my title. I have the crown! That’s what Twitter keeps saying.


HAhaha love this guy :D
caradoc
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada3022 Posts
January 24 2013 19:42 GMT
#7
Pretty fast, the article just went up and we have a thread



Browder: Ooh, flying rocks? Flying rocks! Like Outland, they’re all floating up there!

And they block movement for flyers, unless you destroy them! Oh yes, that’s good. Legacy of the Void: Flying rocks.

Confirmed!
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KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
January 24 2013 19:49 GMT
#8
"logarithmic rates"? Is this a mistake? Maybe he meant exponential, because that would mean esport is growing very slowly.
Noizhende
Profile Joined January 2012
Austria328 Posts
January 24 2013 19:53 GMT
#9
On January 25 2013 04:49 KingAlphard wrote:
"logarithmic rates"? Is this a mistake? Maybe he meant exponential, because that would mean esport is growing very slowly.


Well, from 0 to 1 it grows quite fast :D
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
January 24 2013 19:55 GMT
#10
Logarithmic sounds right. There was a huge explosion at the start, but now the growth is slowed. Emphasis on growth.
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Insoleet
Profile Joined May 2012
France1806 Posts
January 24 2013 19:58 GMT
#11
+ Show Spoiler +


Will we get modifiable rocks? Movable rocks? Liftable rocks?

Browder: Ooh, flying rocks? Flying rocks! Like Outland, they’re all floating up there!

And they block movement for flyers, unless you destroy them! Oh yes, that’s good. Legacy of the Void: Flying rocks.


This could be freaking cool haha

Really nice interview overall !
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5214 Posts
January 24 2013 20:07 GMT
#12
On January 25 2013 04:36 AnomalySC2 wrote:
"I’m going to try to pull you away from here by constant harassment with Warp Prism. And it could be very cost effective and very dangerous. We hadn’t changed that unit. But they were starting to use it that way."

Yes they did change the Warp Prism, they buffed the shield hp on it.

I was just about to quote this. What the.....?
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ElMeanYo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1032 Posts
January 24 2013 20:08 GMT
#13
On January 25 2013 04:58 Insoleet wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +


Will we get modifiable rocks? Movable rocks? Liftable rocks?

Browder: Ooh, flying rocks? Flying rocks! Like Outland, they’re all floating up there!

And they block movement for flyers, unless you destroy them! Oh yes, that’s good. Legacy of the Void: Flying rocks.


This could be freaking cool haha

Really nice interview overall !


I do love how DB has embraced the whole rocks thing and it's now just one big excuse to troll now. He's having fun with it.
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KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-24 20:09:52
January 24 2013 20:09 GMT
#14
On January 25 2013 04:55 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Logarithmic sounds right. There was a huge explosion at the start, but now the growth is slowed. Emphasis on growth.

Ok, but he says
eSports is growing out of control.
after.
Well, looks like DB didn't study maths :\



Well, from 0 to 1 it grows quite fast :D

lol
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
January 24 2013 20:11 GMT
#15
On January 25 2013 05:07 PVJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 04:36 AnomalySC2 wrote:
"I’m going to try to pull you away from here by constant harassment with Warp Prism. And it could be very cost effective and very dangerous. We hadn’t changed that unit. But they were starting to use it that way."

Yes they did change the Warp Prism, they buffed the shield hp on it.

I was just about to quote this. What the.....?

The buff came long before the heavy usage of Warp Prisms. Or, more like the buff made Protoss try mid-game timings with Prisms, but didn't do much for late game.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Kurbz
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia88 Posts
January 24 2013 20:19 GMT
#16
very cool article, I am so excited for HOTS and the game play I'm going to see. Yay to more unique play instead of just infest/broodlord action.
Never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
January 24 2013 23:15 GMT
#17
On January 25 2013 05:11 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 05:07 PVJ wrote:
On January 25 2013 04:36 AnomalySC2 wrote:
"I’m going to try to pull you away from here by constant harassment with Warp Prism. And it could be very cost effective and very dangerous. We hadn’t changed that unit. But they were starting to use it that way."

Yes they did change the Warp Prism, they buffed the shield hp on it.

I was just about to quote this. What the.....?

The buff came long before the heavy usage of Warp Prisms. Or, more like the buff made Protoss try mid-game timings with Prisms, but didn't do much for late game.


The buffed happened September 2011, and it wasn't until the hybrid league (when KeSPA players started playing) that Warp Prism were used more often.

When every Protoss in Proleague started using Warp Prisms, I remember everyone making comments about it (it was definitely not that used often before the hybrid league AFAIK).

Not sure if KeSPA players helped make Warp Prism usage more popular or not but it was definitely underused before then.
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Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
January 24 2013 23:20 GMT
#18
On January 25 2013 08:15 Goldfish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 05:11 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 25 2013 05:07 PVJ wrote:
On January 25 2013 04:36 AnomalySC2 wrote:
"I’m going to try to pull you away from here by constant harassment with Warp Prism. And it could be very cost effective and very dangerous. We hadn’t changed that unit. But they were starting to use it that way."

Yes they did change the Warp Prism, they buffed the shield hp on it.

I was just about to quote this. What the.....?

The buff came long before the heavy usage of Warp Prisms. Or, more like the buff made Protoss try mid-game timings with Prisms, but didn't do much for late game.


The buffed happened September 2011, and it wasn't until the hybrid league (when KeSPA players started playing) that Warp Prism were used more often.

When every Protoss in Proleague started using Warp Prisms, I remember everyone making comments about it (it was definitely not that used often before the hybrid league AFAIK).

Not sure if KeSPA players helped make Warp Prism usage more popular or not but it was definitely underused before then.


Hero and Sage used it. That's about it.
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StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
January 24 2013 23:23 GMT
#19
On January 25 2013 08:20 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 08:15 Goldfish wrote:
On January 25 2013 05:11 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 25 2013 05:07 PVJ wrote:
On January 25 2013 04:36 AnomalySC2 wrote:
"I’m going to try to pull you away from here by constant harassment with Warp Prism. And it could be very cost effective and very dangerous. We hadn’t changed that unit. But they were starting to use it that way."

Yes they did change the Warp Prism, they buffed the shield hp on it.

I was just about to quote this. What the.....?

The buff came long before the heavy usage of Warp Prisms. Or, more like the buff made Protoss try mid-game timings with Prisms, but didn't do much for late game.


The buffed happened September 2011, and it wasn't until the hybrid league (when KeSPA players started playing) that Warp Prism were used more often.

When every Protoss in Proleague started using Warp Prisms, I remember everyone making comments about it (it was definitely not that used often before the hybrid league AFAIK).

Not sure if KeSPA players helped make Warp Prism usage more popular or not but it was definitely underused before then.


Hero and Sage used it. That's about it.

And White-Ra.
Adersick
Profile Joined July 2011
United States216 Posts
January 24 2013 23:28 GMT
#20
The more I hear from Browder the more I love him. He definitely has a passion for the game and a sense of humor about who he is in the community! I hope he continues to deliver, and I certainly look forward to HotS as a finished product. I couldn't agree more with his statement that developing SC2 is about giving solid tools, although the example he gives may not be 100% perfect.
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