• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 14:02
CET 20:02
KST 04:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book15Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14
Community News
ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0220LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)25Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker10PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar)13
StarCraft 2
General
How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker Terran Scanner Sweep Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win
Tourneys
RSL Season 4 announced for March-April LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16) PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) RSL Revival: Season 4 Korea Qualifier (Feb 14) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 512 Overclocked Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth Mutation # 510 Safety Violation
Brood War
General
ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/02 Which units you wish saw more use in the game? StarCraft player reflex TE scores [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates Gypsy to Korea
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Diablo 2 thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Ask and answer stupid questions here! European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ADHD And Gaming Addiction…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1905 users

Idea to fix mothership / vortex lategame in HOTS

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
kaokentake
Profile Joined July 2012
383 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-29 04:39:41
September 29 2012 04:38 GMT
#1
1) vortex becomes single target and the animation is alot smaller, vortexes a single unit only. No units can run into the vortex. costs 10 energy with a 2 second cooldown. Motherships cannot be targeted by other motherships vortexes.

2) mothership gets new spell, this spell increases mothership speed to 3.0 and doubles mothership damage for 30 seconds. Costs 50 energy with 60 second cooldown

3) mothership accell/deccell speed is made instant, meaning no longer does the mothership need to wait 3 seconds to "slow down" to cast spells while moving, instead the motherships spells would be instant cast with this change


This change to the mothership seems cool. Turns vortex into like a very powerful yamato cannon that can take out broodlords or battlecruisers quickly. But with a 2 second cooldown the terran or protoss can get off NP's or EMP's as an effective counter. But the mothership can still use its powerboost ability before combat and for 30 seconds be really strong in combat even without using the vortex. And I feel the tempest in its current form is a pretty good buff against broodlords so protoss can live with a nerfed vortex since they get tempests.
MateShade
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia736 Posts
September 29 2012 05:49 GMT
#2
Honestly, why the hell do you keep making these threads? None of your ideas are remotely good even if it was a good thread. Just stop

User was warned for this post
tar
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany991 Posts
September 29 2012 21:52 GMT
#3
single target vortex would rather be a stasisfield. Anyhoo, i think the mothership in its current is just fine.vortex is still needed to stopp any BL instant kill blobs and forcing at least some spread micro from the zerg. In addition with the tempest, it also isn t the end of a game should u miss one vortex. So changing a unit that is so essential to pvp and pvz does t sound like a good idea to me.
whoever I pick for my anti team turns gosu
PlacidPanda
Profile Joined September 2011
United States246 Posts
September 29 2012 22:05 GMT
#4
Its like a stasis field but...bad. Isn't this like your third thread about random changes as well?
Squirtle Hwaitting!!
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3690 Posts
September 29 2012 22:13 GMT
#5
Learn to use tempest, realize phase shield helps against fungal growth, notice how pvz lategame is already 10x times less awful then it is now in wol. I prefer to have a recall while engaging and being able to use vortex defensively in this game. Honestly given what hero can do in wol vs broodlords without using/having a mothership and the fact that tempest actually do what they are supposed to, I really don't feel like you need to get a vortex down to have a shot at winning anymore.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
RSL Revival
18:00
S4 Europe Server Qualifier
IndyStarCraft 189
LiquipediaDiscussion
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
16:55
FSL TeamLeague S10: ASH vs POG
Freeedom22
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Grubby 4312
SteadfastSC 266
IndyStarCraft 189
BRAT_OK 81
ForJumy 57
EmSc Tv 14
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 2195
Jaedong 575
firebathero 215
Hm[arnc] 27
910 22
Rock 17
yabsab 15
Dota 2
febbydoto6
LuMiX0
Counter-Strike
fl0m4609
byalli1376
Dendi434
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King121
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor824
Liquid`Hasu501
MindelVK27
Other Games
gofns24295
FrodaN4111
Mlord598
crisheroes181
ToD111
KnowMe93
Trikslyr73
Livibee52
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL25686
Other Games
EGCTV1494
gamesdonequick860
StarCraft 2
angryscii 23
EmSc Tv 14
EmSc2Tv 14
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• printf 56
• Shameless 28
• Airneanach14
• Migwel
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 23
• blackmanpl 20
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota249
League of Legends
• Nemesis7409
• imaqtpie2012
• Shiphtur628
Upcoming Events
AI Arena Tournament
58m
Replay Cast
4h 58m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
14h 58m
LiuLi Cup
15h 58m
Maru vs Reynor
Serral vs Rogue
Ladder Legends
22h 58m
Replay Cast
1d 4h
Replay Cast
1d 13h
Wardi Open
1d 16h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 21h
OSC
2 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Winter Champion…
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
PiG Sty Festival
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
4 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
PiG Sty Festival
5 days
Epic.LAN
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
PiG Sty Festival
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Epic.LAN
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S1: W8
Rongyi Cup S3
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: King of Kings
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round Qualifier
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
WardiTV Winter 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.