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Dear moderators: Terribly sorry if this thread is deemed inappropriate (or in the wrong section :c). If so, please take it down. I tried searching for a thread like this. If I managed to miss an existing one, I am sorry.
I think most of us can agree that the finals of IPL's TAC3 has had it shares of problems, so I thought it would be good to point it out so they and other leagues can learn from the mistakes displayed. I do not hate IPL, I just want them to do well, and you do learn from mistakes.
I'll probably forget some, but here are some problems experienced.
Sound+ Show Spoiler +On August 12 2012 02:45 Aunvilgod wrote:
BBBBBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Many listeners (if not all?), including myself, have been experiencing a buzzing sound. I and other viewers have now gotten a beeping sound instead, which is more annoying, imo.
No booths
While booths certainly help in sound proofing, they also do limit the players' field of vision, and them being able to see the crowd might pose a problem. Also, it looks pretty bad to have the players sitting within spitting distance of the casters, even if they do wear military-grade sound-cancelling headphones. It also looks very cheap, and not very fit of a big team league finals.
Downtime+ Show Spoiler +On August 12 2012 02:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2012 02:33 pyro19 wrote:
*Break
"We have Liquid Taeja"
*Break
Wtf is this Shit? *Break "We have" *Break "Liquid..." *Break "TAY..." *Break "JAAAA" *Break "And now we're back with-" *Break
It's not very hard to be creative with downtime. Sure, it's o0k to run some commercials for your players, but surely you can find some way to waste time? Have the casters talk about the game (hell, have them analyse the replay), and the one coming up. Maybe even discuss their statistics against the specific race and/or player. Maybe you can interview the teammates of the players in the game coming up or go into the crowd for some opinions. There are so many options to fill time.
Tech (vehicle of ESPORTS)
Currently, the stream basically flatlined during Losira vs Sheth, which is sadly not the first time during this event. Earlier we saw Seed go up against Taeja in a tense match, when the video gave up, and we were only able to hear the casters. Then the audio died. When it came back, Taeja was in a convincing lead and the viewers had missed a big comeback. D:
Casters
This is nit-picking, and not an actual problem. I do not think that KK and DoA are bad in any way, but they're not analysts. Couldn't IPL fly in an established caster (like Day[9] or Apollo) or invite a pro (Demuslim was commentating the games on his own stream, Idra and Incontrol have ventured into casting before) to help with the analytical side? Just a thing to make the whole package better than it already is.
I probably forgot some things as well, so feel free to chime in. Again, I do not hate IPL and wish to see them fail. I just think we're better off pointing out problems and pointing out ways to make things better for the community as a whole.
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i can't imagine you've told them anything that hasn't already become apparent to the people running IPL...
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This stream is a total fail, enough said. Fortunately, there's also DeMuslim's commentary stream available for IPL 
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The downtime/ lack of atmosphere really stands out for me. They need some music, something, anything to make it less awkward. They just throw Kevin Knocke out there and hope for the best. Even their production (camera work etc) is complete garbage. I'm being pretty hard on them, but that's because in my opinion team leagues are a big part of the future of esports, and IPL seems to be the only foreign organisation willing to compete with GSTL/Proleague. They have to do better.
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I cant stop thinking that players can hear casters, i just cant imagine loud speakers being weaker than headphones.
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The worst part about this (imo) is for the sponsors (and future of eSports).
Why would I want to sponsor a tournament that is BARELY functioning and when it is "working" you are greeted with a "Powered by AMD" advertisement.
That's like saying, "Hey! Want your computer to be horrible? Try AMD!".
If I were a sponsor I would be forcing them to stop displaying such advertisements.
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I think we know why they keep failing.
"Sponsored by AMD"
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Keep in mind that this is a League of Legends competition with a live SC2 final tacked on. You can probably guess where the majority of the organizational effort has gone.
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They need to hire a dedicated obs, Adebisi ftw!
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United States23455 Posts
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Then I'm completely baffled. For several reasons.
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I honestly mean no malicious intent, however, I had a huge problem with how this event was scheduled and run, on a logistics side. I was one of those people that had the chance to go to this event. (i live near SF) And IGN came out and said at first: "The Finals will certainly be at 4PM (give or take an hour) and there will be at most 2 bo9s plus a match between the team's aces". A week before the finals, IGN comes out and says they will push up the finals to 9:30 AM and there will be no more match between the two team's aces.
Now, the ace match thing I can sort of understand. However, pushing the event up to 9:30AM really grinds my gears. First of all, we are nerds, we sleep at 3AM in the morning, 4PM is naturally a lot better of a time than 9:30 AM. Second of all, it seems like IGN just wanted to schedule the finals as early as possible so they can get the SC2 stuff done ASAP and move on to the LoL stuff. I know it seems a little bit harsh and irresponsible, but the LoL community is large in the Bay Area as well.
But back to the problem of 9:30AM, SF is in an area that is not very accessible in the Bay Area (it's kind of on the edge and certainly not very easy to get to, unless you are a tourist), it is still about an hour to an hour and a half away from San Jose and about 1 hour 30 min away from where I live, if I took public transportation. Long story short, I would have to wake up at 6AM to attend this event, and it seems very unnecessary seeing that scheduling it at 4PM just makes a lot more sense for fans who live in the area. I just want to stress this again, the 9:30AM start time is just a huge inconvenience for an event that had as much hype as this one had. In the end, I had some conflicts and could not go to the TAC finals.
The price tag for entry is $18.75-$25, that seems really steep for the price of about 5 hours of entertainment, especially when there is no Bo9 between the aces. However, my friends who did go are seeming to have a very good time, so this could be debatable.
It just pains me to see that this event is just a huge disaster for SC2 fans. I mean, the bay area (area around San Francisco/San Jose etc) has been DYING for a big event to come to our area. And this event has not done us justice. We just feel misrepresented and there is such a big community in Bay Area California, but we can never really show our true support and justice, and we really can't even show it today. We're still waiting for our time to shine and dying for someone to bring an MLG/IPL(LAN) environment to our area. Poor scheduling, poor production, and poor organization have really disappointed me. I hate to sound to pessimistic, but this event seems like it was supposed to be for LoL fans and LoL fans only. This kind of upset me at first, but then again, it is reality. Not sure what this means for the future, but I think it's starting to go downhill.
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As much as I hate to say it. I find myself thinking...I remember how epic GSTL was when they came to IPL4. And I thought maybe they would put on something at that level. Like this event doesn't feel that epic i guess is what I am getting at.
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United States23455 Posts
On August 12 2012 07:21 HeeroFX wrote:
As much as I hate to say it. I find myself thinking...I remember how epic GSTL was when they came to IPL4. And I thought maybe they would put on something at that level. Like this event doesn't feel that epic i guess is what I am getting at.
The GSTL Finals were produced by GOM. They just had Kevin do the intros.
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Canada1169 Posts
is the sound all and all just really quiet? well now i dont know if they fixed it cause im just using audio from DeMu's stream.
also no team benches/a better area?
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lol "huge disaster" some of you guys are the worst kinds of critics you people don't even remember MLG dallas then, if you think this is bad your mistaken rofl
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On August 12 2012 07:21 OnFiRe888 wrote:
I honestly mean no malicious intent, however, I had a huge problem with how this event was scheduled and run, on a logistics side. I was one of those people that had the chance to go to this event. (i live near SF) And IGN came out and said at first: "The Finals will certainly be at 4PM (give or take an hour) and there will be at most 2 bo9s plus a match between the team's aces". A week before the finals, IGN comes out and says they will push up the finals to 9:30 AM and there will be no more match between the two team's aces.
Now, the ace match thing I can sort of understand. However, pushing the event up to 9:30AM really grinds my gears. First of all, we are nerds, we sleep at 3AM in the morning, 4PM is naturally a lot better of a time than 9:30 AM. Second of all, it seems like IGN just wanted to schedule the finals as early as possible so they can get the SC2 stuff done ASAP and move on to the LoL stuff. I know it seems a little bit harsh and irresponsible, but the LoL community is large in the Bay Area as well.
But back to the problem of 9:30AM, SF is in an area that is not very accessible in the Bay Area (it's kind of on the edge and certainly not very easy to get to, unless you are a tourist), it is still about an hour to an hour and a half away from San Jose and about 1 hour 30 min away from where I live, if I took public transportation. Long story short, I would have to wake up at 6AM to attend this event, and it seems very unnecessary seeing that scheduling it at 4PM just makes a lot more sense for fans who live in the area. I just want to stress this again, the 9:30AM start time is just a huge inconvenience for an event that had as much hype as this one had. In the end, I had some conflicts and could not go to the TAC finals.
The price tag for entry is $18.75-$25, that seems really steep for the price of about 5 hours of entertainment, especially when there is no Bo9 between the aces. However, my friends who did go are seeming to have a very good time, so this could be debatable.
It just pains me to see that this event is just a huge disaster for SC2 fans. I mean, the bay area (area around San Francisco/San Jose etc) has been DYING for a big event to come to our area. And this event has not done us justice. We just feel misrepresented and there is such a big community in Bay Area California, but we can never really show our true support and justice, and we really can't even show it today. We're still waiting for our time to shine and dying for someone to bring an MLG/IPL(LAN) environment to our area. Poor scheduling, poor production, and poor organization have really disappointed me. I hate to sound to pessimistic, but this event seems like it was supposed to be for LoL fans and LoL fans only. This kind of upset me at first, but then again, it is reality. Not sure what this means for the future, but I think it's starting to go downhill.
I didn't go for the same reason, not enough guaranteed games + starting at 9:30am.
of course now it's been going on for 6 hours and is on game 2 of a second Bo9 so it would have been worth it retrospectively to show up at 12. However this was impossible to know in advance so I just stayed home.
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Casters are fine. Only problem is the stream, which is just terrible. (Audio, Overlay, and Downtime)
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On August 12 2012 07:25 nGBeast wrote:
lol "huge disaster" some of you guys are the worst kinds of critics you people don't even remember MLG dallas then, if you think this is bad your mistaken rofl
I wouldn't say this is a "huge disaster" as there have been worse. In terms of IPL though, this event is pretty bad. Obviously, shit happens, games are going to drop, there will be glitches in the stream, etc. Hell, I couldn't literally watch the last game until the very end when the stream finally settled.
That being said, I really enjoy these casters. Comparing them to Tasteless/Artosis is like comparing apples to oranges, because they're two totally different styles of casting. Not everything needs to be heavily analyzed, and I'd prefer someone who doesn't have the game knowledge of Tasteless/Artosis to not try to analyze the game like that.
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United Kingdom12023 Posts
Didn't MLG Dallas only have issues due to the weather and stuff or was that another MLG?
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