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On July 16 2012 15:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: lulz didn't scroll. So apparently I need to define FoS. Stands for Finger of Suspicion. Gives a heads up to Chez that his current play isn't working and that he needs to change or it's lynch time. When I vote for someone, I want them to die and will work for that unless significant evidence can convince me otherwise. If you just throw votes around like you (and bugs -_-) are doing, they get the air taken out of them. My post was prompted by remembering Chez's previous gambit I saw him play. Either he continues to play scummy and we kill him, or he shapes up and plays nice. Obviously he could still be scum even if he shapes up but it'll be much harder for him to cause chaos if he's playing nice and we catch him later on. So do you think his play so far is indicative of him being mafia? If so, do you want him to change his behavior or do you want to lynch him? Do you always give people who you think may be mafia "heads up" so they can change their play? Moreover, do you think your "warning" will make him change his play? Hi sandroba, you around? | ||
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On July 16 2012 17:59 Palmar wrote: Let's random lynch. As an alternative, sinani is trolling and taking part in dumb discussion so I'd be fine with killing him. Sinani? Who is that? Which discussion? | ||
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Really? That's the last person I would expect him to be, how do you figure? Anyway, you don't usually mind role playing (or trolling? which is it?) so do you just have a problem with sinani in particular doing that? | ||
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On July 16 2012 14:49 Probulous wrote: Wow, that was useful... Ok since no-one seems to want to actually participate, here are some thoughts of mine of the setup. Aside from trying to kill town, the only thing that binds mafia as a team is their strategy dictated from above. From my reading this is sent during the night. Thus day 2 is going to be crucial. We should be aware of people who change reads for bad reasons or suddenly become active. Basically anyone who suddenly gains direction overnight will be a good target to poke. As for Day 1, I think participation and clarity will be extra useful because mafia now know that they are setting themselves up for difficulties in Day 2 if they pick targets Day 1. People with clear targets are going to have to work harder to change them if a different CEO strategy comes in. Thoughts? My thoughts are that I would like to lynch you for this post. This reads like someone wanting to seem like they are contributing, but you are a smart person so you should know there is no reason to post something like this on day 1. You are basically announcing beforehand what you will consider mafia behavior and as town there is little reason to do that as you specifically want mafia to act according to your expectations. | ||
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On July 17 2012 02:17 Palmar wrote: I agree with BlazingHand let's kill syllogism. Nice catch supersoft. Do you honestly agree? Be very honest. Also, what is the nice catch you are referring to? | ||
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On July 17 2012 02:28 Palmar wrote: Why do you not announce that you support my RL idea? I don't support it and I was more interested in seeing how others would react to it. Even if I agreed that it was a good idea, there was about 0% chance of the majority actually agreeing to it. Regardless, did you expect me to agree? Mafia don't know who other mafia are, so they don't have the usual advantage of being able to control which alignment gets lynched in this format, especially on day 1. | ||
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On July 16 2012 18:00 syllogism wrote: So do you think his play so far is indicative of him being mafia? If so, do you want him to change his behavior or do you want to lynch him? Do you always give people who you think may be mafia "heads up" so they can change their play? Moreover, do you think your "warning" will make him change his play? Hi sandroba, you around? | ||
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On July 17 2012 03:17 Katina wrote: @ Mattchew What are you talking about? You are the one making absolutely no sense. I know I'm an easy target to get mislynched but that's not going to happen today. You think that scummy people are town and people that aren't that scummy you are pushing for to get lynched. Your points against me are based off of nothing except the fact that your reads are different than mine. I'm trying to find scum and you just made your way onto my Mafia list with Palmar. You come out of nowhere and immediately jump all over one of my posts then nit pick at my response to you. The reasoning for your suspicions are bad and have close to nothing to back any of it up with. Most of what you say you just pulled out of thin air. You are making a sad attempt to do what WBG does in attempts to try and get me lynched. Why do you "know" that you are an easy target to be "mislynched"? Has this been a common occurrence? Why do you keep mentioning WBG and comparing mattchew's play to his, it's not relevant at all. I agree with mattchew in the sense that some parts of your palmar "case" were weak and perhaps suspiciously so, but at the same time Palmar is clearly 100% trolling so far so he could very well be mafia. I think the only thing about his play that could point towards him being town is the fact he outed sinani's smurf, which isn't very smart to do in this setup if you are mafia as the person whose smurf you are outing may also be mafia. What do you think about meapak's play so far? | ||
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On July 17 2012 06:08 sandroba wrote: Meh I think mafia is going to kill me anyway so no harm doing this. I can msg people. kurumi just nuked someone so I knew he couldn't be CEO/Chairman/President. So I messaged kurumi this: Use "of course" "pretty sure" and "very well" in the same post so your peers can identify you as soon as you read this. Look for this combination starting tonight to identify the others. His next post was this: So there ya go he just got owned. The repercussions of my claim is that even after mafia kills me they can't know for certain there is no other abilities like mine in the game so all their communication is no longer safe. Have fun mafia =P If anyone has any sort of day killing abilities they should shoot kurumi right now. If no one does so and some killing ability gets used during the day down the line that means that person is scum. Haha ##vote kurumi Foolishness I'm non-committal and haven't defended myself? The former is false unless you are stretching the fact I hadn't voted before this post into me being "non-comittal", while the latter requires elaboration. Defend against what exactly, I want you to specifically quote the post that you think warranted a reply. That whole post was quite below standards of your town play. | ||
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Again, quote the post you thought warranted a reply from me, because if that's not happening, you are mafia. Your "case" is absolutely ridiculous and consists of you distorting/lying or drawing meaningless parallels: "I asked a question in one game and am doing the same here" | ||
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On July 17 2012 06:49 HiroPro wrote: syllo, do you still think BH is scum? Everything that was said about his earlier posting still stands and he hasn't posted anything since then that points towards the other direction, so yes, I lean mafia on him. | ||
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On July 17 2012 07:10 Foolishness wrote: Well I was going to say something about Kurumi, but was focusing on syllogism because I'm sure he's mafia more so than Kurumi. At least at the time I did. ##Unvote: syllogism ##Vote: Kurumi Pretty sure the point is that you had no reason to do so if you are town. But hey I haven't really read the past 5 pages cause it's so spammy. So what were you going to say about kurumi and when did you change your mind? Only after reading that post? | ||
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On July 17 2012 07:29 Katina wrote: I would like to bring attention back to Foolishness' post against syllogism. Kurumi's fate looks sealed. I like the points that were brought up and the evidence that was presented. I was a bit suspicios of syllogism (even though I didn't like the idea of lynching him today) And to save some posts just because I like Foolishness' case doesn't mean that I think he's in the clear. Really, which point specifically do you like and what "evidence"? Did you forget about palmar already? | ||
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On July 17 2012 07:34 Katina wrote: No I didn't forget about Palmar. I'm more focused on Kurumi and what's going on in the thread right now. I liked how Foolishness took the time to go through past games and used your posts to link together Mafia behavoir in other games. Take it easy, my vote is on Kurumi. He didn't link together anything. Read his post again and look how much of that post is related to my play so far in this game and how much is just random meaningless posts he pulled from another game. Yes, I ask questions as mafia, but that's also what I do as town. The difference being that, as mafia, my questions are much more likely to be meaningless or something I don't actually consider relevant. In this game that is clearly not the case. Foolishness you still haven't answered my question. You flat out stated that me "not wanting to defend myself" is indicative of me being mafia. So I want you to specifically quote the post you think, at the time, warranted defense from me. | ||
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On July 17 2012 10:21 wherebugsgo wrote: Syllo almost immediately takes Palmar's claim that q bert is sinani seriously. As town he would at least question this initially. Palmar indeed says that he believes qbert to be sinani based off a /whois on IRC tracing to a Verizon IP, which is in itself rather unreliable because Verizon is a pretty popular ISP in the United States. I myself didn't find Palmar's "evidence" quite convincing given that qbert doesn't even sound like sinani. However, syllo apparently trusts Palmar's word based on the "if he were mafia he would have no interest in doing this" which is obviously false in this setup. I don't think syllo is that stupid as town to come to such a faulty conclusion on relatively flimsy evidence. I actually immediately knew what Palmar's method was, assuming he wasn't trolling. There was no reason whatsoever for me not to take it seriously. You are also misinterpreting in the second paragraph, I just said that outing a smurf is a slightly townie move but obviously nothing conclusive. I also said that was the only thing pointing towards him being town. At least one out of probulous and foolishness is mafia because it's exceedingly unlikely for both of them to be this wrong based on similarly hilariously faulty reasoning. Why is everyone switching off kurumi? What makes you believe the nukes are all real? Did someone besides RoL attempt to nuke? | ||
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On July 17 2012 18:41 supersoft wrote: the nukes are modconfirmed. both kurumis and rols nukes were followed up by a modpost saying that they will go down at the end of the day. if this turns out to be trolling by the hosts we can still lynch kurumi tomorrow right? That doesn't confirm they are actually real though, because in some setups with nukes anyone can "launch" a nuke but only real ones are actually lethal. It seems like an amazing coincidence for the person kurumi nuked to also have nukes. | ||
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