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It seems that NMMXVI won't need any replacements at its stage. Count me in this one. | ||
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I'm so glad to start another game in TL. Let the scumhunting begin! Sciberbia: Well, in my case, I don't know anyone of you, so I don't any background of your play. Anyways, it' just a matter of time that me and the rest of the -5 who were not on NMMXV- can see your play style. I'll take a look to that game if I have the time to get and idea. I won't accept a NO LYNCH unless I believe we may have a serious mislynch coming. I have this nice feeling that we won't have any inactives/lurkers this game. I think this is the best scenario to push a successful lynch on D1, which even though it's hard, it's possible with everyone's focus and analysis. Don't be afraid to accuse anyone. If you take too much time to turn your scum-o-meter on, specially close to MYLO, it will be very hard to the rest to listen to your thoughts. | ||
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On June 13 2012 10:16 s0Lstice wrote: You would take it upon yourself to stop a lynch if it is against your read? If I understood correctly, it doesn't mean that I would stop any lynch that I didn't mention on my analysis. Just because I have a candidate for lynch, it doesn't imply that I discard any other possibility. It's something related to common sense. If any other cases are convincing enough, I'll throw my vote there in the case I can't get a majority. In the other hand, if we end up like RNG lynching (which is a bad idea), any other poster that could be doing silly mistakes, or even a player practically saying ''hey guys, I'm mafia, lynch me'' that's when it goes against my mindset. Any possibility is valuable, but if there is something absurdly wrong, I'll call it, even if that means a no lynch. | ||
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I'm off to bed now. Can't do much atm. Will be back in 8 hours ~ | ||
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On June 13 2012 15:40 alan133 wrote: My thoughts on suki's case: I started writing before I refresh and saw s0lstice's post. As he already pointed it out, there are no contradictions between the two statements. trackd00r merely states that NL is bad unless it is a "serious" mislynch in both highlighted sentence. If I am missing something, please correct me. Looks like you intented to write something else about me, but a single post of S0lstice made your opinion change quite quickly, very quickly IMO. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On June 13 2012 12:44 suki wrote: Is it just me or is trackd00r coming off as scummy already? This post screams to me that he's trying to be super cautious with his words, so that he'll have a safety net if/when he ever changes a vote or bandwagons on someone else. He throws out some 'obvious' examples of reasons of what wouldn't agree with him, and even mentions that he would follow through on a read, even if it that means a no lynch. BUT WAIT! Just ONE post previous to that he says this: ... Dude. You try to take a firm stance against something, and then you do the most scummy wishy-washy-ness thing ever the very next post. You're clearly informed about mafia as you brought up the idea of a day 1 RNG lynch, and being against a no lynch is not a difficult or complicated policy to hold. I feel that such a simple logical slip only happens if you're trying to play it safe and keep your options open. ##vote trackd00r It would have been a better read if you realized that I was answering a question. Your case really lacks a solid basis, and as other people stated above, I don't see contradiction. | ||
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Mouldy Jeb's play is confusing as hell. Not only his posts have no real town content, but the way he writes them makes me feel I'm looking at a completely different game. Anyways, I can't tell if this is scum play or just plain bad town play. Since he stated that in his last game he got lynched D1, the latter option is what I'm taking at the moment. @Mouldy: What do you think of last miltonkram post? Do you keep your stance on him? | ||
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I don't think that case will get us somewhere. Rofl's is tunneling him and the response he's had don't tell to much. I wonder if you are going to continue the pressure to him. Half day has passed, so it would be wise to vote for him if you don't have any other clear option at the moment. I don't know if you are pushing this case any harder, or at least you are being kinda inconsistent with your thoughts. First you say you want to put down some pressure. On June 14 2012 07:25 roflwaffles55 wrote: You've defeated yourself in your own argument against me, with the explanation as to why I backed down on alan133. I backed down because I hadn't received any support towards my case. You also defeated yourself by saying that I'm trying to keep myself out of the spotlight, if I wanted that, I wouldn't have been the third person to post a case, let alone one I knew would net me a bunch of flak. And then, you start again: On June 14 2012 07:35 roflwaffles55 wrote: Interesting that the first legitimate read that you come up with is a conspiracy between me and suki. Not only is it completely ridiculous, but you second guess it immediately, again leaving your options open so that you can't actually be held accountable for anything. Put yourself on the line, start contributing to the big picture and not just responding emotionally to me, and think logically about what you're going to post. The biggest thing that keeps irking me about your play is your seeming avoidance of actual decision making, the fact that even when criticizing my play you can't say "I think this is scummy". You go all the way around it and put the possible motivations from both angles. I would appreciate it if someone other then me looked at alan133's posts and formed their own independent opinion on him. Are you really backing down? Maybe a vote or a FOS can make it up. Anyways, Alan133, you can't drop analysis like that. Try to give a good effort to show your thoughts before its too late. Austin, Have you taken la look to any of these current cases? | ||
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At this stage of the day, the 3 most suspicious players that I have in my list are Suki and Crossfire99 andO.Golden_ne. I'd like to push a lynch to any of them. I'll post analysis in a moment. | ||
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I don't like the way he has been playing. The only things he has done is: - Making a summary with the earliest events of the game, using the same thoughts that we have on rofl, and suki's cases. - Accusing austinmcc for his views on contradictions. - ''Helping'' Roflwaffle by telling him to unvote alan33 (defending alan?) - Responding to s0ltice pressure and questions. After that, he just disappeared from the radar. I dislike the way that he is just checking the thread. He hasn't brought anything new to the table. His ''pressure'' against austinmcc never continued. It was just something to add so he could show to us that he is contributing to the discussion. There is nothing really to quote to show some evidence, since there isn't really anything implicit about this. O.Golden_ne Very similar to crossfire, but acts in a much scummier way. * The way he says that he is working hard: + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2012 17:36 O.Golden_ne wrote: Okay. Love it or hate it i haven't been too present thus fair. That being said i'm about to drop some knowledge on everyone. I'm just gonna post this little post structure so you know im working on it as we speak. Summary of D1 to date (this is more for my benefit because i've been away and i find it a good method of developing insight into a situation. Response regarding Alan, HeavonEarth and Suki situations (at a glance these names seem to be trending highly) My reads and analysis Any sexy tidbits and notable nuggets this is going to be my most active time over the next few hours as i've got the night off and i'm in bed on my laptop! see you on the otherside of a Wall of Text. + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2012 19:03 O.Golden_ne wrote: gimme 20 minutes alan113 i have big post half written. would be good to get your opinion. i see your suspicion on suki, but i dont want everything to devolve to shit-flinging between you and suki day one. Bragging to much IMO about his task of writing stuff. He states that he wants write a summary for himself. Dude, you are not playing alone, you have 8 any other people doing the same thing, and the only way is by working togheter. I found his ''wall of text'', quite disappointing: + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2012 19:18 O.Golden_ne wrote: I apologize if i stray from the format i laid out previously Summary of Day One - My Perspective. I see early on a bandwagon forming on Alan113, initially ROLF (i like how this nickname has cropped up) argument has a little basis but is quickly disputed and resolved by the group. Alan113 is now hard-tunneled by suki for the rest of the day. I'm finding this the most frustrating day one tunnel i've seen, i was indecisive regarding suki and then i saw her most recent posts and hoped to god she looked at something other than Alan113. But her argument against Alan113 here is essentially saying that he is mafia because he is defending himself. I'm finding it hard to see how Alan113 can do anything but defend himself up until this point. I'm sitting here at my laptop and i honestly am 50-50 on Suki. I like your writing style and you can word your insights well and you have been aggressive from the get go. These are all very useful traits in day one. Tunnelling Alan113, where i can't see a small case against him, however is a big cross against your name for me. Notable Events Day One - My Opinion Suki's barrage on Alan113 and her flash in the pan vote on Trackd00r. RAWFL's pushover regarding Crossfire's passing comment about changing votes. (could his following #fos be a response to a scum-slip vote-pull to then posture as a hardline-aggressive-townie?) My People! - The Presets. (Queue this track for dramatic effect.) Crossfire99 - i'm agreeing with what he's said about being careful with your votes. I personally think the #FOS should be used a bit more. With his posts though i would like a little more player-read-relevant posts towards the end of this day =] Sciberbia - i know its a little dangerous for me to be using these terms early on (or at all) but i'm getting a good vibe from sciberbia. I read a pseudo-leadership role coming from him. His argument and opinions are tending to align themselves with me well. HeavonEarth - sorry for being afk bro. hopefully some of this analysis clears me off your radar. Reluctant to vote on suki or alan113 at the current time, because i honestly feel like theyre clashing for the wrong reasons. i'd be more inclined to lynch suki just because of the tunneling, however i dont feel a Mafia would be so aggressive day one (MAAAASSIVE RISK, but risk = reward?). Suspicion??? i'm looking at MJ and austinmcc at the moment. I know its a bit rich for me to be pointing the finger at anyone for lurking. However i just dont like what i'm reading, especially MJ. The early gentle push on Miltonkram was a bit off. Considering it was a joke! I may make a case on MJ in the coming hours. #FOS Mouldy Jeb In some parts, where he clearly explains events, it's got the name of an opinion. Finally to end all this post, he FOS'd MouldyJeb with NO reasoning or whatsoever. He even took s0lstice analysis to back up his descsion, instead of using his unique arguments. Then it comes his opinion about Crossfire: + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2012 19:25 O.Golden_ne wrote: @Sciberbia. I only glazed over the HeavonEarth issue when i was catching up on everything. I feel like a nob because i remember he had that attack at me and i never really addressed it. I don't like defensive voting per se but i'll form and post some opinions on him shortly. Crossfire seems okay too me, i liked his posts. If he posted a few more like it, with about 40% more content (pulled a # out of my ass) on players and some reads/opinions on cases i'd be a happy chappy. Time will tell on this character. about suki, well read above. I want to reserve judgement on both alan113 and suki until day two. I think a Mouldy Jeb lynch may be a little more productive. But then: + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2012 19:31 O.Golden_ne wrote: honestly i can't believe i missed sciberbia's case on Crossfire99. FML maybe i got the totally wrong read on him. Ima refresh my mind on HeavonEarth and Sciberbia and then post after i mull their feeds over a game of SOTIS. Talk soon lovers. GauldenWahn Here, it clearly shows that his opinions are not more than a influence from other players. In just 6 minutes, CF passed from being okay for him, to ''omg might be suspicious''. And, where is his case against MJ anyways? In summary, Golden has been really inconsistent with his play The expectations I had from him are far from satisfactory, in function of what he has promised. I'm at school right now so I can't post all that I have yet. I'll be back like just half an hour before lynch. I'll put my vote on Golden if I can't make it on time. If I can, i'll adapt what can be the most beneficial for town so we don't end with a NL. ##Vote: O.Golden_ne | ||
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I must admint that he looks suspicious at this stage of the game. I was expecting from him a more detailed analysis of his play, since he stated that he has more experience in playing mafia. I dislike the fact that he took the most easy target to pressure (golden), instead of trying to outline the other players, He also adds some points against CF, but isn't really big of a deal. Although I share some suspicions with him, I see that he is not contributing at the same level as the rest of us are. I don't really think that it will be that much of a loss if he flips town. If that is the case, he have a whole post history behind us too see who bandwagoned and who tried to hunt down mafia As I don't want a NL, I'll change my vote to heaven. ##Unvote: O.Golden_ne ##Vote: HeavOnEarth | ||
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Beaware you both scum, we are going for you now! | ||
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On June 15 2012 14:01 suki wrote: I've gone through trackd00r's play in detail, now I'd like to summarize the points and explain why each point is suspicious. 1. Soft aggression vs Mouldy early on but later says he's not convinced. Slightly important point because Mafia want to avoid all targetting the same people. 2. Goes after Crossfire and Golden. Crossfire was a sort of easy bandwagon since so many players were after him. The Golden push is suspicious because so few people targeted him, one of whom was HeavOnEarth. 3. Does not comment on HeavOnEarth at all until the very very end. Definitely scum motivation for avoiding this. trackd00r was around back when s0lstice first started his push on HeavOnEarth. That was when trackd00r was pushing his cases against Crossfire and Golden. 4. His cases are all weak. He never points out scummy play despite singling out the three people who he would push for a lynch. His arguments are weak and consist of not contributing and not playing 'satisfactorily'. There's no townie motivation that late in the day to simply target people for unsatisfactory play, as opposed to finding scummy play. There is plenty of scum motivation to try to find something, anything, to attack, while not putting themselves fully on the radar. 5. He bandwagons at the last minute on HeavOnEarth. A pointless move. His analysis is flaky. He says, "I must admit that he looks suspicious at this stage of the game." Trackd00r has been noncommital, he's been weakly targetting people for playing unsatisfactorily as opposed to playing scummy. He went for the easy target of Crossfire, and you can argue he tried to push a bandwagon on Golden with HeavOn. He refused to comment on HeavOn, and comes back at the last minute to appear like he's supporting town by voting against HeavOn as the last, and wholly unnecessary vote. Going point by point: 1) Your argument about that says ''target the same people is wrong''. It varies from game to game, from context to context. In my first game, for example, I was town (bad played >.<) and in the third day pretty much 3 of the mafia players went against me, even though they lacked of anyone else's support. About mouldyJeb case, it was indeed suspicious, then I backed off my pressure to him because I considered that it was just confusing bad town play. Anyways, unforgiven has replaced him, so now we can see the same role but with hopefully understandable posts. 2) I don't get what you are trying to say here. You say that I go after crossfire because it was most affluent case, and then I go after golden because it had a few followers. Well, what player should you think I just push then? Because, those 2 conditions you mentioned are opposite one each other. I don't see any other option. 3) About heaven, I didn't really put a lot of attention to him. After quite a few people pushed the case, more logic I found on it. I didn't even had a read on him. Anyways, I was expecting to post some more, since in that time, his pressure against golden was quite interesting. 4) That's how I judge D1. People who don't actually contribute much anything, having the potential to give more elaborated opinions, are the ones which I wanted to push. About my play, I tried to do some questions, that didn't really get me to nowhere. I have to admit that my cases are weak, but again, that doesn't mean I'm mafia. * Trying to contribute is town play. * Appearing to contribute is mafia play. 5) You are basically underestimating the power of a vote. I want to emphasize your statement ''and wholly unnecessary vote''. Why do you think is was not necessary? For town, every vote counts. Just imagine, like a mafia massive vote switch in the last minute. Or, What If golden forgot to format his vote and it wasn't counted in? Any situations should be considered. Oh and by the way, I think you say that the vote was so unnecessary because you were 100% sure that Heaven was mafia. | ||
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On June 16 2012 05:50 suki wrote: Bandwagon on crossfire is scummy. Pushing golden when heavOnEarth is also pushing him is scummy. Like you said, mafia play varies from game to game, from context to context. The fact that you bandwagon on an obvious target and also attack a non-obvious target isnt suspicious. It's that you bandwagon weakly on an obvious target, and you attacked golden weakly alongside HeavOnEarth. Sorry Suki, but I don't follow your logic. Why would I attack head on an obvious target? Wouldn't it be better to leave it there meanwhile I try to look for other targets which are actually more important? On June 16 2012 05:50 suki wrote:} You back off mouldy, possibly because it was just confusing bad town play, but also possibly because rofl and heavOn both were attacking him. I hope that statement was a satire of s0lstice post, because you used his exactly same logic to prove your point, which you didn't because you haven't answered it yet. | ||
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Mafia players might be using this tactic to make a blue-slip by someone. It doesn't just mean that they might have start this, but instead, they could get the information indirectly if they want. This is bad because, the most people commenting and giving their views in the situations, the most probable that someone might leak implicit information saying he is X role. I'm going to check all the filters again, to see who can we lynch on D2. It's been a busy week for me (unexpected) so I have to give it all now. | ||
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I actually like alan113's case. I must say that Golden answered very aggressively to alan's case. Compared of what I see in his previous posts, he was more relaxed while giving reads and stuff. I find his defense quite worrying: ''you are a retard.'' , ''i dont hold any undergraduate degree, i'm hardly a scholar.'' are points which clearly show a state of stress. While it is true that anyone can get defensive, I find it quite weird that Golden is acting like this, because after we killed two mafia in just 72 hours, it must be a very pleasant and comfortable time for us. Assuming that he is town, he should be pretty happy and calm in the search of looking for the last scum, but on the other hand... | ||
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Is that list in any particular order? I mean, is it based on your reads or in everyone's cases? | ||
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On June 17 2012 11:51 s0Lstice wrote: trackd00r. I want to know why you said you were suspicious of suki and then never posted a case on her. I'm pretty sure she has asked you this already also. I don't see a response in your filter. OOPS I think that explains many things. I didn't meant to put suki on that list. I can't believe I misread it or something. The two ''and'' in that look very wrong in that sentence. Sorry if I confused anyone. | ||
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