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xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
June 13 2012 21:10 GMT
#41
I'd like to /in please
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
June 16 2012 20:03 GMT
#188
Yo.
I'm not interested in joining House Chezinu, at least until we have some more information about the potential "benefits" of doing so, but I would be interested to know why Drazerk is so intent on mass murdering anyone to do with it. Do you know something that we don't? Or do you just have a bad feeling about it?
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
June 16 2012 21:14 GMT
#214
On June 17 2012 05:53 KharadBanar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 05:41 Acrofales wrote:
On June 17 2012 05:31 KharadBanar wrote:
On June 17 2012 05:28 MajuGarzett wrote:
On June 17 2012 05:24 KharadBanar wrote:
On June 17 2012 05:20 talismania wrote:
On June 17 2012 05:15 KharadBanar wrote:
[...]

By allying with The HOUSE, I essentially eliminate some of the players (both town and scum) from the equation and can concentrate on studying the remaining ones (which should contain both town and scum too, if my calculations are correct.)

[...]



What?

So now that you've magically allied - who has been eliminated from "the equation"?

If you're eliminating both town and scum by allying, how does that help your stated win condition? Why would you want to eliminate "both town and scum" from the players you are "concentrating on studying" in order to discern their alignment?

Think of the alliance as a temporary cooperative effort to eliminate scum players not participating in The HOUSE.

I am happy because we eliminate scum players, The HOUSE is happy because we eliminate non-HOUSE members.

When I grow suspicious there are no more non-HOUSE scum players in the game, I can cancel my cooperation with The HOUSE, and both parties are satisfied because of the mutual cooperation as long as the alliance lasted.

As a mere ally of THE HOUSE do you even get to know who the house members are? I was under the impression that THE HOUSE just wouldn't try to kill you.

I assume that if I cast doubt on a member of The HOUSE, HiroPro will alert me of it.
If not, that alliance has more benefits for me than for them, because he basically "promised" that The HOUSE will try not to interfere in my affairs.

Promises can be broken, though, and I know that I have to be careful in my alliance with them.

So in actual fact, what you're doing is accepting HiroPro making anybody he likes "untouchable" for you, in return for limited immunity. Lol, are you a serial killer or wtf?!

Drazerk: I oppose lynching Nisani. I want to lynch KB.

I still have a will on my own, thank you very much. If someone is acting really scummy but HiroPro is protecting him to the point where it seems unreasonable, I am not going to be convinced by him that I should drop my case. (Sorry HiroPro)

What, why would you apologise to HiroPro for that? If you strongly believe that a person is anti-town, and your wincon is to remove said anti-town, HiroPro and his "House" should not even factor into your decision. If HiroPro disagrees with that, this alliance of yours is clearly detrimental to your wincon.
The fact that you feel you had to apologise for saying you'd want someone "really scummy" dead, worries me.
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
June 16 2012 21:39 GMT
#221
One thing I'm curious about, HiroPro, is this funding you keep talking about.

On June 17 2012 06:28 HiroPro wrote:
I am the Director of Recruitment/Funding. I must recruit; it is not a choice.

On June 17 2012 03:01 HiroPro wrote:
Update:
All supporters or members of House Chezinu, 5th Party along with submitting applications should make donations to the Treasury Fund of House Chezinu, 5th Party, specifically indicating that said monetary funds should be sent to the Director of Recruitment/Funding, HiroPro.

On June 17 2012 03:15 HiroPro wrote:
If your role/skills/wealth are great enough, you may even be able to join the board.


Is this just flavour for your recruiting, or is there actually some form of currency involved with the House? Can you elaborate?
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
June 17 2012 01:04 GMT
#257
On June 17 2012 09:52 Drazerk wrote:
Also I love how now one else mentioned my murder spree ♥

On June 17 2012 05:03 xsksc wrote:
but I would be interested to know why Drazerk is so intent on mass murdering anyone to do with it. Do you know something that we don't? Or do you just have a bad feeling about it?


I said this 5 hours ago but you neglected to respond, unless I missed it.
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
June 17 2012 01:50 GMT
#264
On June 17 2012 10:05 Drazerk wrote:
I should read the thread but that is too much effort

... I remember trying to lynch you in Steamship for this kind of posting. People just said, nah that's just how Drazerk plays. There's no need to be lazy though. -_-

Is anyone else around atm? The thread's gone pretty quiet, let's try and get some constructive discussion going.
I would like to hear some more opinnions on Nisanis and Kharadbanars haste in allying with an unknown faction, especially this early in the game.
Personally, I don't like their decision at all. We have very little information about the House, because honestly, most of HiroPro's posts about it have been flavour and nonsense. It may turn out that HiroPro and his House turn out to be a good resource for town. Until I know more about it, however, I'm staying well clear.
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
June 18 2012 00:32 GMT
#441
Good evening!
HiroPro's "House" bullshit just proves that you shouldn't be too quick to make friends with people you have zero information about. An anti-town player could just as easily have typed all that flavour out, and an anti-town player with influence over you, however slight it may be, is never a good thing.

Anyway, I just finished re-reading the thread, and KharadBanar strikes me pretty heavily as anti-town.
1. Proclaims House Chezinu to be fish, and that he's "not convinced."
2. Sees Nisani's alliance proposal as a good idea, does a u-turn and offers the same, also talks about "future deals"..whatever that means.
3.
On June 17 2012 04:48 KharadBanar wrote:
This in turn leads me to the opinion that Drazerk is very much right in ignoring The HOUSE for now. I will do so from now on (I'll not play against HiroPro or his faction since we are allies, but I'm not going to mention them too much in my posting) and I believe it is wise for you to do the same.

This post is very interesting, he has literally no way of telling Hiro's alignment this early in the game, and yet he doesn't want to discuss Hiro and his House, nor does he want to play against it since they are allies. I have a hard time believing someone with a town agenda would just consent to live and let live, without asking questions. This leads me to believe he is some sort of 3rd Party survivor/anti-town.

##vote: KharadBanar
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
June 18 2012 00:49 GMT
#442
Point number 1 of my post should read fishy and not fish, lol.
In response to Nisanis vote -
On June 18 2012 09:20 Nisani201 wrote:
First of all I'd like to call out BioSC for hardcore lurking throughout all of N0. However I'd prefer not to lynch a lurker today because I think there are better targets.


xsksc is who I'd like to lynch today. Read his filter, and you'll see that he is sort of unwilling to contribute but is trying to make posts in the thread. In other words, all of his posts are easy to make.

His most recent post, commenting on me and KB wanting to ally with the House Chezinu, is once again very diplomatic and is siding towards the general popular opinion on the thread.

Putting my vote on him for now. ##Vote: xsksc

Maybe it's the popular opinion because allying with a completely unknown faction is a pretty bad idea for town?
As for my posts being "easy to make", I'm sorry you feel that way, but I disagree. I've voiced my opinnion and encouraged discussion when the thread was dead.

I suggest you have a quick read of your own filter, and maybe that will stop you from accusing others of shit contribution.
On June 17 2012 07:21 Nisani201 wrote:
Drazerk, I feel like you are trying to make it look like you are contributing and being outspoken by latching onto any bullshit you can find.

On June 18 2012 06:26 Nisani201 wrote:
I'm on my phone so i can't do much right now, but i don't believe talis's claim. Makes it look like he's contributing when really he's just "forcing" everyone else to contribute for him.

On June 18 2012 09:20 Nisani201 wrote:
Read his filter, and you'll see that he is sort of unwilling to contribute but is trying to make posts in the thread.

Copy and paste attacks, that's pretty much it. Your easy-to-make argument is completely nonsensical, not to mention hypocritical.
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
June 18 2012 00:58 GMT
#446
On June 18 2012 09:57 DropBear wrote:
Can you shoot KB talismania?


I'm not sure if it's worth wasting the shot. Who would you lynch if KB was out of the equation?
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
June 18 2012 01:02 GMT
#448
On June 18 2012 10:00 talismania wrote:
It's something I can consider. The upside is the information of who has pushed him and who hasn't etc which then informs the lynch. The downside is the loss of information by shooting early and losing the information that I would get from forcing others to post cases/impressions/info. It's not clear to me exactly what the right tradeoff is. I'm also not convinced kharadbanar is anti-town. I lean third party on him.


You think that third party =/= anti-town?
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
June 18 2012 01:23 GMT
#457
On June 18 2012 10:14 Nisani201 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 09:49 xsksc wrote:
Point number 1 of my post should read fishy and not fish, lol.
In response to Nisanis vote -
On June 18 2012 09:20 Nisani201 wrote:
First of all I'd like to call out BioSC for hardcore lurking throughout all of N0. However I'd prefer not to lynch a lurker today because I think there are better targets.


xsksc is who I'd like to lynch today. Read his filter, and you'll see that he is sort of unwilling to contribute but is trying to make posts in the thread. In other words, all of his posts are easy to make.

His most recent post, commenting on me and KB wanting to ally with the House Chezinu, is once again very diplomatic and is siding towards the general popular opinion on the thread.

Putting my vote on him for now. ##Vote: xsksc

Maybe it's the popular opinion because allying with a completely unknown faction is a pretty bad idea for town?
As for my posts being "easy to make", I'm sorry you feel that way, but I disagree. I've voiced my opinnion and encouraged discussion when the thread was dead.

I suggest you have a quick read of your own filter, and maybe that will stop you from accusing others of shit contribution.
On June 17 2012 07:21 Nisani201 wrote:
Drazerk, I feel like you are trying to make it look like you are contributing and being outspoken by latching onto any bullshit you can find.

On June 18 2012 06:26 Nisani201 wrote:
I'm on my phone so i can't do much right now, but i don't believe talis's claim. Makes it look like he's contributing when really he's just "forcing" everyone else to contribute for him.

On June 18 2012 09:20 Nisani201 wrote:
Read his filter, and you'll see that he is sort of unwilling to contribute but is trying to make posts in the thread.

Copy and paste attacks, that's pretty much it. Your easy-to-make argument is completely nonsensical, not to mention hypocritical.

Yes indeed, contributing without contributing seems to be a common theme this game. Not my fault.

I don't think you quite got my point there..
You have contributed fuck all, and you are in no position to point that particular flaw out in everyone elses play.
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
June 18 2012 01:40 GMT
#461
Umm, no, Nisani.
Point 3 in a nutshell is his "live and let live" attitude, considering he knows nothing about their alignment, looks very 3rd party-esque. Being diplomatic is one thing, deciding to not play against or even discuss them on n0 is another matter.
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
June 18 2012 01:42 GMT
#462
I have to go for a while, might be able to check the thread before I sleep. If I don't, I'll respond to any additional queries you might have, tomorow.
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
June 18 2012 14:29 GMT
#491
On June 18 2012 19:25 Acrofales wrote:
as I am leaning increasingly towards some third party role for KB, which may or may not be anti-town, but is probably not (pure) scum.

In this sort of game, I want to kill 3rd party even more, given that to win we have to remove all anti-town elements, which 3rd party/SK definitely falls under. For all we know, there might not even be "pure" scum in this game.
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
June 18 2012 23:10 GMT
#815
On June 19 2012 08:00 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 07:56 talismania wrote:
Ok fine let's move on.

Deconduo, who should I shoot?


KharadBanar

-Scummy play with the House Chezinu stuff
-Scummy play in the aftermath of the House Chezinu stuff
-Puts a case against BioSC and proposes him as a lynch candidate, then votes for mazu
-Then asks for Dropbear to be day vigged.

He's the safest shot, least likely to hit a townie anyway. If he's not scum then he's 3rd party.
We could hang him and try shooting someone else, but seeing as you have to shoot soon it's probably best to just play it safe.
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
June 18 2012 23:28 GMT
#824
On June 19 2012 08:24 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 08:23 talismania wrote:
All the people I want to shoot aren't online :-(


Its 2 am in europe


There's way more Europeans in the last page than there is Americans.
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
June 19 2012 00:15 GMT
#852
Partner? Not partners? Interesting..
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
June 19 2012 05:11 GMT
#879
On June 19 2012 13:39 DropBear wrote:
NISANI201 IS A SCUMBAG

Defends Maju with no reasoning. THIS IS DODGY AS ALL HELL.

Tries to ally himself with Hiro at the beginning of the game purely for the sake of safety, clearly has something to hide.

The case on xsksc is terrible.

Extremely defensive. Generally is only popping up to defend himself.

NISANI201 IS RED AND NEEDS TO DIE

I gave Nisani the benefit of the doubt earlier, I thought he was just being bad lol. Maju's flip is pretty condemning for him, he looks a lot more likely to be the scum partner than KB does. That's not to say I think KB is town, though. I don't think he's AS likely to bleed "pure scum", as it were.
TLDR I agree, Nisani would be a good lynch.

On June 19 2012 13:51 DropBear wrote:
I also am unsure what to think of deconduo.

This early post from deconduo caught my eye immediately and to me was a huge blueslip, highlighted here:

Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 07:09 deconduo wrote:
I think Hiro pointed out that people who allied with Chezinu were probably scum/survivors but I disagree. Wanting to increase your survival chances is a town trait for people who feel they have a good blue role, especially docs/cops. As for the individual people:

This immediately made me think decon was a blue of some kind. Was this deliberate?

He has soft defended Maju a few times but.

It's not relevant anymore, but if you think you've found a blueslip, why would you draw attention to it? o.O
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
June 19 2012 05:45 GMT
#885
I'm going to bed, 6.40am here. >.<
I'm gonna leave my vote on Nisani - I might not be back on before the deadline and he seems like the best choice.
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
June 19 2012 20:53 GMT
#1081
Pretty confused... KB was king and killed himself without realizing it, then?
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