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On his claim I thought about the Miller knowing their role thing before the roles went out and figured that it really probably is the right play to tell town now as miller, in fact if it was most other people in this game I would take that as a pretty strong tell that he is in fact miller. But VE... Well I just actually finished a game that he was in and I hope he doesn't take offense when I say that he made a pants on head crazy claim in that game, I don't think that indicates that he's playing crazily here but of all of the players in this game he is literally the first person I would name as someone with the stones to claim miller as scum right from the start. On that line I'll say any other millers should claim now, if we have more than even 2 I would get very suspicious. Also I think it makes sense that he's saying not to check him, if he's making this claim it's obviously because he'll flip red, whether it's because he's miller or scum, he has no reason to say it if he wouldn't so any check would be totally wasted on him. | ||
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Wait what? What does 1 mislynch we can use on retarded townies mean? You should always always be lynching for scum. | ||
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Now looking at the votes on him I get suspicious, VE's vote which is now moved was very fast and didn't go on much, he basically read a couple of posts where artanis points this stuff out and says his meta is different and jumps on. This is suspicious but even more FOS: Mr.Zentor he has a couple posts about VE that don't indicate much then his first post where he says something solid is him jumping on ghost for 1. admitting that he is bad at reading VE which makes no sense and 2. for not following up on furer which I've mentioned. It just looks like Zentor isn't trying to talk about reads or cases, he just wanted to jump in and vote someone people were already suspicious of. Finally, Hyaach is just ringing all the wrong bells in my head, he has a few posts all talking about VE, they're confusing and most of them are him explaining this post - On June 05 2012 11:15 Hyaach wrote: I would let VE live for a day unless something really scummy comes out from his play. it takes huge balls on claim this early, be it fake/real and its not a fool proof plan imo mafia or town. Besides, from his claim, i would put all his analysis on a magnifying glass to be dismembered and examined piece by piece. which says nothing, it says that he doesn't want to lynch VE immediately which no one was suggesting then he says that the claim could be fake... or not! and that we should analyze VE, something he himself told us to do. This post isn't in itself that bad but it says nothing strong and he manages to post a fair amount after this without clarifying much or taking any kind of stance, so until a point where he does ##Vote: Hyaach | ||
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Because of this I'm particularly aware of how easy it is to start scumhunting on the active people when everyone talking can turn out to be town, I voted Hyaach because his only posts were pretty useless for getting reads (at least for me) and I wanted to make sure he would come back with more, I also didn't want to state that it was a pressure vote as so many people do because then there's obviously no weight behind it. I'm only saying this now because with everyone looking at me Hyaach doesn't need to worry about my vote at all, I also saw no need to vote MrZ (who I admit I do see as more scummy right now if only because I don't have anything to read hyaach) right now, we have a full 24 hours to go, I think MrZ's scummy but want to make sure that even if I think I someone's scum now that as many people talk and give solid opinions as we can get over the rest of the day. Per that I'm keeping my vote on hyaach, he needs to contribute, if he does and I like what I see my next choice would probably be MrZ. On that note Zelblade, Snarfs, and Paindain need to be talking more. @VE and Ghost - What do you think about BH right now? @ Artanis and Shraft - After me (and artanis after ghost) who do you find most suspicious? | ||
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1. and 2. are basically the same, fewer candidates and that's true anyway because if a mason comes up as a serious candidate he'll get confirmed and no longer be a candidate so for all practical purposes they're not in the lynch pool anyway. 3. has a tiny bit of merit but really they can be just as wrong as before and they can make the same cases without being confirmed, judge the case on the argument not the person. And 4. would be idiotic there are almost certainly 3-4 mafia, a joint claim of half to two thirds of their team would be suicide after a few days of neither of the "conf-town" getting killed. Either way as has been pointed out there are almost definitely no masons in this game for balance reasons so this discussion doesn't really matter. | ||
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Also whether he's town or scum one thing he brought up needs to be noticed. way too many people are getting away with lurking frankly with this many people getting to avoid posting anything of substance I wouldn't be surprised if 2 or 3 scum aren't even posting enough to get looked at. Zelblade, Hyaach, Furer, and maybe to a lesser degree Kat all need to post on something recent and give their opinions. | ||
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@VE So please explain, is what you just posted about furer your case on Panda? Is it a supplement to your case? (if so please give the actual case and answer the question I've been talking to BH about) Do you still even want to lynch Panda first or are you going to switch to furer now? | ||
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First I do not like the Pandain lynch for two reasons, one is what I was saying before I got off yesterday, I really don't see the reason for the claim, BH tried to explain it as him trying to become a confirmed townie but as someone pointed out before I could, no sane town would ever actually see the vig claim and believe him just because the person he called got shot if there's not extra shot to account for the mafia, this means that the best the claim does is get some gullible townies to think he's confirmed while to everyone else he's shot into the spotlight and aside from risking one of the few mafia it puts them in a worse situation as they'll likely have to use their shot that night on a target town tells them to or have their "vig" disobey what town tells him and become even less believable. The second reason is simply that I think it''s a bad idea to lynch a claimed blue on the first day, we can check him to a degree this night and if he's scum he's not going anywhere, their kp stays the same night to night anyway, also looking through how his lynch has gone since I left it built up steam very quickly and I'm sure that if he's town or SK that we'll find at least a couple scum on his wagon. (on that note I do see a real possibility that he's SK but if that's the case after telling him to shoot someone specific tonight if there are two kills tomorrow night we know to lynch him) The second reason that I'm happy with my vote in general is much simpler On June 06 2012 22:45 Hyaach wrote: Late to the party but did no one thought that Pand was fishing for information when he asked Masons to claim? He could very likely be a SK as well but either way his scum. I voted Hyaach explaining that he needed to contribute more and that it's scummy to lurk and not help town, after being specifically called out on it this is the best he gives us, it has to be made clear that lurking like this is very anti-town so I am in full support of moving the lynch to him. | ||
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