Pick Your Poison Mafia

On May 30 2012 20:06 Radfield wrote:
K, I'm skipping over the last page or so because I don't have much time, and want to get this said. My apologies if this has already been said.

Roleblocker is the pick we need to send in for mafia. The reason for this is the role we absolutely do not want a combination of framer/gf + cop/tracker. That gives us the least possible advantage in this game. By us publicly sending in the roleblocker, it basically forces mafia to give us 2 of vigilante/medic/innocent child. If they decide to give us either cop or tracker that is even better, as we will KNOW that they only have a roleblocker and cannot throw off our investigations.

Roleblocker vs 2 of vigilante/medic/innocent child is a fantastic place to be. If they happen to give us tracker or cop that is even better. It is far far better than any other scenario.

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Role and Alignment being hidden we want to save until lylo, as at that point it doesn't hurt us. Likewise when only 1 mafia is left.

Voting being Secret we want to save until we have an obvious lynch.

Lynch locks once majority hits does not hurt us at all, and is our freebee.

Mayoral election is our second freebee.

Day cycle shortened to 24 hours we'll use in the lategame, as discussion is slow then anyways.

I'm out of time, more later.

On May 30 2012 21:41 Radfield wrote:
Roleblocker is by far the most useless role for mafia in this setup. I will gladly explain this in further detail once the roles are picked, but it should be obvious to anyone looking at the setup and considering mafia options. I don't want to say any more than that right now, but there is really no contest.

Consider this though, if we KNOW we have sent in roleblocker(ie everyone sends that in) then we KNOW we can trust every single check via tracker or cop. That is incredibly important. Given that, mafia will have to give us some combination of the other three roles, which is an absolutely fantastic setup for town. (Innocent child cannot be roleblocked, medic never needs to claim, vig never needs to claim until second shot when he cant be roleblocked anymore).

Please send in roleblocker.

On May 31 2012 04:12 Radfield wrote:
Actually, I probably won't. I have limited time this game, and am going to focus it on scumhunting. If I'm still alive Day 2 I will start responding to criticisms.

On June 01 2012 01:13 Radfield wrote:
I agree with that assessment prplhz, though I will say that I'm pretty sure I have seen bugs play this way before as town. I'm a Cop You Idiot comes to mind, but I'll have to double check.

Also, bugs standard scum play is NOT generally ambivalence and coasting. I would say he's one of the most active scum players on the forum.

On June 01 2012 03:36 HiroPro wrote:
Key: KWUIR-KMBIV-QPGAY-CZTNK-BZSVT-ERHIS-YFULP-ZUYOK-GOKYP-TLBON-PIDIC-AAFXW

Choose Godfather, I did.

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Meh, I guess the encryption wasn't really that useful then. I thought it'd make it so that mafia have to guess on what votes to fake.

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Kurumi: So what I get from your Radfield case is that you think he is scum because he tells everyone to pick Roleblocker even though it's a good role for scum? But I don't really follow that; while I think roleblocker is a strong role for mafia also, Radfield's argument was not bad. And I don't see this contradiction that you are talking about.

On June 01 2012 04:15 prplhz wrote:
@Kurumi The difference is that roleblocker only works if he actually hits a blue, framer works regardless of whether he hits a blue. If we get a tracker check, then we're going to argue about it now because there are people who will say "he was framed". Before, we could just trust it if we trusted the guy it came from and he wouldn't claim if he wasn't willing to put his life on the line anyway.

Radfield explained why medic is a good role, not only can he save townies, he will also discourage scum from shooting into townies that the medic might protect and one successful protect would extend the game by a full day which is awesome. Vigilante is a role that can pretty much confirm itself just be breadcrumbing his shot before he shoots and that's really good too, especially if he actually hits scum.

You need to calm down and take deep breath. Roleblocker isn't a horrible role, it's actually the best role. Even if it was horrible then why on earth would Radfield put himself out there like that to push scum agenda like you claim he is doing.

What do you think about wherebugsgo, Navilus and risk.nuke?

On June 01 2012 04:25 prplhz wrote:

So you are saying that we can trust all checks even with framer around because it only has a slim chance of working? Framer is a role that works even when they don't use it successfully, just like medic.

Your second argument "if they get two blue reads in a day" then they can neutralize them both with roleblocker. What are the odds of them getting two correct bluereads in one day? Even if they did, without roleblocker they could just kill one and then kill the other.

On June 01 2012 22:15 Zephirdd wrote:
Holy shit noone will ever get my name right, will ya?

anyways, let me explain my thought proccess. Day0 people apparently forgot to vote or were forgetting the obvious; its very common for a player to forget stuff and then be reminded when seeing it on the thread. Heck, there were games I would only realize I hadnt voted when someone called me out. What is the problem with trying to remind the same?

second, I changed opinions far too quickly. Basically, I was convinced by Radfield's arguments on the RB. Then Kurumi convinced me about Rad being scum. Then after the day, and wbg pointing out Kurumi's meta, I had to rethink things and decided Rad was right; if I could, I'd switch back to RB pick. I have to look at L though.

but hey, yknow what is bad? Risk's post is bad. Points fingers at three people without saying anything.

ps. Posting from phone is a pain @_@