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On May 16 2012 01:08 Acid~ wrote: /in This will be my first TL mafia (but not my first mafia) Welcome :D Just some friendly advice. This isn't like live mafia, irc mafia or sc2 mafia. The game drags on for days and weeks, and you should read every post at least once, and stay active in thread. There are some general guides, if you want to read them, but more then anything play the game the way you want it, and don't be afraid to tell us your opinions. You will probably be pushed hard if people think you are wrong about something or if they think you are mafia. There is a big chance someone will tell you that you are stupid and useless. Don't take that personal, just keep playing your game. GL HF! | ||
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On May 16 2012 10:36 EchelonTee wrote: ^ inb4 smurf I like you more now Tunkeg <3 Its good to be loved, hehe  | ||
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Anyways I have decided to play this game in a different manner then before. And if I can make it work I will continue in the games to follow. Previous games The Tunkeg of old was all about reaction based reads, which meant that I would provoke certain players to get a reaction. I would have a hypothesis about how they would respond as town and how they would respond as scum, and work off off that. The way I would do this was: A: Suggest some kind of plan (or taking sides, and arguing for or against if someone else proposed a plan). B: Picking fights. Why change it up? Even though I think it was a great way of finding scum for me. It wasn’t necessarily good for town. Many times it took up to much space, and some might even label it as disruptive. It have also led me close to being lynched many times, and often put me on the defensive straight from the get go. Constantly defending yourself makes it hard to put effort into proper scumhunting. So what am I changing it to? My goal in these games is to figure people out. Sure I definitely want to win, I hate losing, but more than winning I want to be right. To be right I will need to focus on my analysis, instead of fighting. What this means is: 1. I will not be posting as much as before. I will try to post better and longer posts though. And less one liners and useless crap. I will try to format my posts better. 2. I will control my temper. I will not be getting into any fights, I won’t be starting any and I will try not to get pulled into one. This also means I won’t be spending a lot of time defending my actions. If my posts are scummy you lynch me, if my posts aren’t you don’t . 3. I will try to post better analysis, and avoid insulting the ones I analyze. Again, I will try to post quality posts, and not many posts, meaning I won’t spend my time defending my analysis, I can clarify, but I won’t argue with nitpickers. Mafia Bio: Played my first game of Mafia in Student Mafia back in desember 2011 (the only game I won). Have played 4 games since. I have never been lynched in any games, and won the only game where I survived until the end. I see myself as good at finding scum, and have in my past 4 games never had my final vote on town after day 1. My biggest weakness is my analysis posts, my language and grammar in general and my temper. Links to previous games: Student Mafia– Town (vanilla) – Win. Newbie Mafia II– Town (Vanilla) – Loss. BC's Arkham City– Town (Veteran)- Loss. TL Mafia LI– Town (Vanilla) – Draw. I'm a cop you idiot Mafia– Town (Cop)- Loss. | ||
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@VE What do yout hink of WBG's helpfull opening post? I ask you because you got the most experience with him. As a standard normal player I would put this as a pro-town. With WBG I am unsure, as he is thought of as one of the best scumplayers on TL, and I think he is capable of leveling us with these kinds of posts. @WBG If you were a dayvig and had to lynch someone right now, who would it be and why? @Acrofalis You don't like my opening post, and thats ok. ET is comming to my defense, and are voting for you. What is your take on this situation? Do you think ET have any motives for defending me, and if so what are they? @NT What do you think about Acrofalis play thus far? @ET Not to derail your arguemnent with Acrofalis to much, but what do you get out of Zealos posts thus far? @Zealos I can see why someone would throw out a random vote on someone to pressure as number one (even if I don't think it is a great way of pressuring).You do this as number two on VE, for no reason. And next you are sheeping ET on his Acrofalis vote. Why did you vote VE? And could elaborate why you are voting Acrofalis? | ||
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Acrofalis/Marvellosity: Leaning town based on Acrofalis aggression while he was in game. He tried to get this game going, and tried to apply some pressure. EchelonTee: Leaning town. He went into a fight with Acrofalis from the get go, and haven't been afraid to stick his head out. Zealos Get some scumvibes off him. He started the game by voting VE as number two, without a good reason. He claims it to be a joke later (which it might be). He then proceeds to vote Acrofales based on ET's case, and because of meta, basicly sheeping ET. The rest of his filter seems very empty, even though he got more post than most in this game. Some townpoints for actually bother to answer questions. Mattchew He might be one of those I called out for not posting earlier, that is a scum. I don't know what he is trying to do, but if his postingstyle continues this way he will be disruptive townie at best, and sabotaging scum at worst. Leaning scum for now. Nova_Terra Leaning scum. He was active at the start, but unlike Acrofalis his attempts at pushing seems more forced, and with no real weight behind it. His whole postingstyle seems very non-commital and gives me scumvibes. Also Navillus need to get in the thread and do some more. His vote on WBG is the only thing he have done. And it was done without much reasoning, and in my opinion strange reasoning. PS: I know you guys don't like list. But I want to do lists so bare with me. PS 2: This is not an analysis post. It is a read post. When I am ready to put my vote down on someone I will try to make a good case/analysis on them. Exception is if there is a great case on them that I agree with, then I will be open about sheeping it, and probably just add some of my own reasoning to it. | ||
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I will devide it into three post because it became such a wall of text. If I have missed any questions make me aware of it and I will answer. On May 22 2012 00:31 HiroPro wrote: There are two things that make me suspicious of Tunkeg. The first is the timing of Tunkeg's "I'm going to change it up" post. Either town or scum are capable of saying that they want to change their playstyle. If you look at this game, ET also says that he wants to change his play. But he does this BEFORE roles are out. The second is the way that Tunkeg responds to Acrofales's post against him: HE DOESN'T RESPOND. All he does is go "lolol someone coming to my defense" and try to shift attention onto ET "Do you think ET have any motives for defending me". @marvel Yea, Navilius's tone is very apologetic and wishywashy. The vote is dumb also. What do you think of Tunkeg? HiroPro you say you want me to respond to your case on me. But I don't see what you want me to answer. Your case is there for everyone to see, and there is nothing for me to write about it. Its your opinion about my play, and I am fine with that. As I said in my opening post I won't spend any time defending myself. My post will speak forthemselves. If you want me to respond to something specify what you want me to answer, and post questions where you want me to answer and not rethorical questions as some have posted. | ||
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On May 22 2012 05:37 Navillus wrote: Okaaay so my WBG vote was a joke, I do not actually think it's a good idea to lynch one of our 2 vets on that basis alone and I am not really of the opinion that advice is an automatic scum-tell, it'd be nice to have a little benefit of the doubt on me not being an idiot. Next ##Unvote ##Vote: Mattchew As far as I can tell he's just posting with flavor text from mtg cards, if that continues I don't really care if he's scum or town it makes him impossible to read, doesn't let him contribute, and makes for a really shitty atmosphere. Mattchew stop it. On N_T yes VE and WBG I'd say he's using pretty bad method of scumhunting/analysis and his vote is for a dumb reason, but that doesn't make him scum and aside from clear-cut examples of someone being useless or disruptive (such as restricting their posts to text from a card game) it's a bad idea to lynch someone for bad play, in my experience it's rarely a scumtell and depending on how they're playing badly it can be more of a town tell. Tunkeg you asked a bunch of questions earlier, most of them were ignored, was there any point to them? Why don't you care that people didn't answer you/why aren't you following up? Also why post that list, if you have scum reads why aren't you just pressuring them instead of telling them, and how does telling everyone your town-reads do anything but let scum know who you think is townie and so light them up as targets? Holy spam batman! NT scum or town please stop with multiple one or two line posts in a row, it's distracting and makes the thread harder to read through, consolidate. The questions I have asked have for the most part been answered, either directly or indirectly. VE answered me directly. WBG answered indirectly when he said he wanted to see NT killed. Acrofalis left the game before he had answered. NT answered directly. Zealos answered me directly. ET is the only one who haven't answered. This might be because he didn't notice it, or because he don't want to. So the answer to the secound part of your question is that I for the most have gotten answers. I have registered what they answered and if they answered for later use. I post that list because I want to be open with my reads. I know the general consensus of TL Mafia is that you shouldn't post read lists, I don't necessarily agree. I think a list like mine makes it easier for you to hold me accountable for my reads. You know where I stand, and you can easily reference it if you are making a case on me. Telling my townreads doesn't make a difference to scum, if I see someone as town, they probably do so even more. If they don't they probably won't bother with them anyways. Sure if everyone in the game posts reads like this, it will be easy for scum to pick out the one town sees as most townie and night kill them, but in return they would have to post their own reads giving them less wiggleroom. So I will continue posting my reads like this. | ||
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On May 22 2012 05:37 Nova_Terra wrote: where the frick is katina Tunkeg what about my play do you find noncommittal? Its a general feel I have about your play. You start off with a "pressure" vote on VE, without any pressure to it (reasoning: I hear VE's post are bitch to deal with, or so I hear). You post a some about WBG's first post, warning us. You tell the thread I am scum for my first post, without any real follow up. No pressure, no vote, just throwing you opinion out there. You vote froggy for mention that your meta is bored as townie and hyper as scum. You have posted alot of one-liners (read: short posts), and you are basicly all over the place, with alot of post, but little substance. I think your play is in all very noncommital. For the rest of the questions you have thrown at me I see them as rethorical, and not something you want me to answer. | ||
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- He lurked through the entire start of the game. - When he bothered to post it was all trollposts. - I see his play as totally anti-town. And I can't see a reason to why a townie would behave this way, unless they don't care about the game at all. Am I sold on the fact that he is scum. Not necessarily. But together with NT and Zealos he is the one I have the scummiest feeling about. The difference between Mattchew and these guys is that they are actually posting thing that you can analyse, and this can either strengthen the suspicioun on them or lessen it. For Mattchew he will probably keep this up the entire game, and whether town or scum really mess up the scumhunting environment. So I want to lynch Mattchew because he is as likely to be scum as the other two, but losing him if he is town is far better than losing the other two if they are town. There is one arguement for not lynching him though, and that is: Would really scum draw this much attention to themself? Most likely not, but in TL Mafia where disruptive players never get lynched it would be a viable strategy. ##Vote Mattchew | ||
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@ET: Why do you want acid, jeb or katina lynched? Give me some reasons. On May 22 2012 14:18 EchelonTee wrote: acid, jeb, katina, or no lynch i think one of those should happen @VE: Please elaborate on why sharing your reads with Bugs is bad for balance reasons. If you are town why wouldn't you do anything in your power to win the game regardless of what you think is balanced or not? On May 22 2012 16:27 VisceraEyes wrote: Bugs, I loathe to talk about my reads with you for balance reasons, but everyone else has forsaken us. How confident are YOU that Nova is scum? I feel like he went limp kinda quick, but aside from that has at least quit posting scummily. Whether that's just because he's quit posting is obviously up for debate. Combined with the fact that he's got so many people going "Meta him bro" and the fact that he's all "Meta me bro" and it just looks really bad. But something doesn't feel right - like, he seems like TOO easy a target, ya know? @HiroPro: Who is your number one scumread and why? If it is me, who is the next biggest and why? @zelbade Care to answer the same question as I asked HiroPro? @acid How do you think WBG, VE and Katina have played thus far? They are all in on a NT case, what do you read from this? | ||
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so ##Unvote: Mattchew ##Vote: Nova_Terra | ||
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So I have changed my mind. I had ET leaning town early on in the game, I was wrong. He is scum, and this is why: 1. He have been trying to appear active while not really being active. His post have mostly consisted of oneliners, soft accusations and defending others. I think his defence om me was for this purpose only. To appear active, get easy townpoints and be able to put down an early vote. Isolated I viewed his arguement with Acrofalis as townie, as he was sticking his head out. In hindsight I see this as mentioned above - a way to appear active. 2. He don't really want to give us his reads. I have asked him for reads two times, he ignores it. Why dodge questions like that if you are town? Sure, he might think they are trivial and not worth spending his time on. But I see refusing to answer questions as scummy. 3. He listed that he would be ok with lynching jeb, acid and Katina without any reason. Between them there are two newbies, who are an easy misslynch because they are inexperienced and Katina, who is famous for being very lurky (at least she have been in all games I have played with her), and is also a player that is easy to get a misslynch on. 4. He voted for jeb just before the deadline (on the deadline actually) without any reason. And in a very suspicious way: "When is the deadline", like he did it on purpose, so that he wouldn't have to post any reasoning to why he voted jeb, and not get hold accountable for it. ET is my number one scumread. Feel free to discuss it or not, especially if you disagree. If you agreeyou are probably better off waiting until after the night is over. Because if ET is scum scumteam will probably lynch someone who agrees to make it less likely he get lynched on day 2. | ||
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I am liking VE for town more and more though. Even if I am not a big fan of his playstyle, I think I have been very capable of reading VE when he have been scum before. I don't think his play this time around is scummy. Mainly because of the target he is pushing and the way he is going at them. Also the fact that he is pushing the same targets as those I view as scummy makes me think he is town. WBG is appearing more and more scummy though. He have without no reasoning at all said he would be ok with killing: NT On May 22 2012 04:22 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm cool with killing nova, since he seems to want to extend joke accusations into real ones for no particular reason. He also isn't using his brain; case in point, this post: Navillus, if I remember correctly, said he wanted to kill me (whether seriously or not, who cares) Nova seemingly wants to jump on any person who is getting traction for a lynch. Namely, since I was gone and Navillus voted me, I was a good choice. Note how Nova never once mentions me before this post. He addresses my posts but expressly avoids saying that he finds my advice post indicative of me being scum or anything like that when I react. On the other hand, people have found Navillus suspicious for his not-so-serious vote on me. While it is a bit suspicious in itself, I find it more suspicious that plenty of people are so willing to kill him based on almost nothing at all. One of those players is nova. On May 22 2012 05:09 wherebugsgo wrote: Nova subscribes to the notion that if you accuse everyone in the game, any accusation against him is OMGUS. If you're town, stop being disruptive and start using your head. Otherwise, you die today. ##vote Nova_Terra Katina (some reasons, not any real reasons though), VE and Mouldy Jeb On May 23 2012 04:52 wherebugsgo wrote: Sorry all, I became really sick overnight. Feeling quite a bit better now, though. I'm fine with killing Katina, VE, and mold man, in that order. Katina normally reads the thread and she usually has more than one read. She also at the very least explains herself to townies. It's clear that she's deliberately ignoring my questions, possibly because she doesn't actually believe in her "case" on Nova (i.e she is scum) By the time I asked Katina the first time how sure she was of Nova being scum I had started to think he was town. Now, it is day 1, and I may be completely wrong about my assessment, but the way the bandwagons have gone today suggest either that both nova and mouldy are town or that one of them is scum. Based on the nova votes just now I'm inclined to think mouldy is scum. Of course, we'll never know the truth unless they flip. As there's not much time left in the day I think we should kill mouldy. If anyone else agrees with me that we should kill Katina or VE, let me know and perhaps we can get a vote switch going. I'll be around till deadline. ##unvote ##vote Mouldy Jeb PS. Anyone notice that Katina says she hates people using the noob card, but hasn't really expressed suspicion of mouldy? (at least, from what I recall) Zealos and Me On May 24 2012 01:15 wherebugsgo wrote: If I had a gun, I'd shoot zealos or Tunkeg. Probably flip a coin really, they're both obviously faking trying to look town. On May 24 2012 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote: Having reread everything there isn't much to say...if I live, then we go from there. If I die, then I'll be glad not to have to read/decipher some of the posts from this game. Zealos and Tunkeg are still good bets to flip scum IMO. Mattchew and Nova are annoying, which could mean anything. VE is sheeping more than normal, which is somewhat scummy. Katina's hard to read but if she's even somewhat transparent and correct about some of her reads then probably isn't scum. I can't even remember half the names of the rest of you, since you're so unimpressionable. Great if you're scum and obviously terrible if you're town. Acid On May 24 2012 17:44 wherebugsgo wrote: Is he gone? <peeks around a corner> Anyway if Acid never responds, we kill him. To make that threat more real, let's turn up the heat. ##vote Acid~ Nova, do you support a lynch of any of Acid, zealos, or Tunkeg? Some of you calls this pressuring. I call this trying to start bandwagons, without being held accountable. I am not great at reading WBG though, I have had him as town many times when he was scum. So he might be playing completely opposite of what I consider normal. But I think WBG is leaning heavy scum, and if he can't come up with a decent case on any of his targets I am all for lynching him today. | ||
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1. That I said I wanted to change my meta. I can understand some of you react to this. And it is a valid point in any analysis of me. 2. That I am posting only to try to look active and that my list of reads and questions are rubbish. This is very opinion based, I think asking question is just as valid a tactic as applying pressure. And to be honest not everyone can be pressured into a response, same way as not everyone will bother answering a question. 3. That I made a case on ET, and he died the same night. I can't see how anyone can read anything into this either for or against me. The point is I could do this as either town or scum, for instance gonzaw did this against all the nighthits in the newbiemafia game I was in, and he was scum. So I think Hiro Pro is town, but wrong town. But there is the possibility that he is pulling the same thing as Katina did on me in BC:AC, tunneling me all game, me believing she was town, when she really was scum. | ||
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On May 25 2012 02:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Katina can I interest you in a thrilling WBG, Nova, Mattchew, Zealos scumteam? This can very well be the scumteam. NT, Mattchew and Zealos where my strongest day one scumreads. And I think you are perfectly right about WBG, I get a stronger and stronger feeling that he is scum. I also find it wierd that Mattchew suddenly start posting, now that you are fireing at WBG. Makes me think that the scumteam have decided that he needs to start posting and help out WBG. So even if these guys are giving you a hard time don't give up VE. They do it because they are scum. | ||
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On May 25 2012 03:52 wherebugsgo wrote: I almost want to kill you just because of this post. I don't actually think you are this dumb. You have wanted to kill me before, without reason as well. If scum want me killed I am fine with it :D | ||
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On May 25 2012 18:58 marvellosity wrote: Ugh. Sooooo much has gone on since your last post, and this is what you come up with? Really? Yeah, really. Thats all you will be hearing from me for today. Do with it as you please... | ||
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