• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:39
CEST 12:39
KST 19:39
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall7HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy6
Community News
Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL41Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form?12FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event16Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster16Weekly Cups (June 16-22): Clem strikes back1
StarCraft 2
General
The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation Statistics for vetoed/disliked maps Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster How does the number of casters affect your enjoyment of esports? Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form?
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Semi Finals & Finals $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event HomeStory Cup 27 (June 27-29)
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall Help: rep cant save Player “Jedi” cheat on CSL Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET The Casual Games of the Week Thread [BSL20] ProLeague LB Final - Saturday 20:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile What do you want from future RTS games? Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread NBA General Discussion Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Blog #2
tankgirl
Game Sound vs. Music: The Im…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 610 users

Pick Your Power: Redux

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 Next All
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 06 2012 23:35 GMT
#57
##Vote: Nomination
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 08 2012 01:26 GMT
#82
wow,

/in please!
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 08 2012 12:55 GMT
#149
Any news on whether you think you'll be able to expand the game, GM?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 14 2012 17:00 GMT
#301
On May 15 2012 01:58 sandroba wrote:
@decon I asked this already and they are informed. I fail to see how dropping godfather is good. Means that if gf is ever killed we get a bonus mafia for free.
@toad tell me how assigning cpr will help to keep it off mafia hands. GF is strong because it's imunity to checks + 1 free kill. But it's way stronger as mafia so that's why it's in the denial plan. Unlike cpr which is strong as both alignments.


Surely the point is you want to keep roles that are strong for mafia away from mafia, and the fact it is strong for town is irrelevant?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 14 2012 20:56 GMT
#373
To be simpleminded for a moment - is the general advice to pick whatever numbers you like?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 16 2012 01:17 GMT
#473
not bad with the worst pokerhand
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 16 2012 09:52 GMT
#493
On May 16 2012 18:22 Palmar wrote:
I hereby define everything that's been said in the thread as pointless spam.


no u
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 16 2012 09:53 GMT
#494
P.S. Do I have any option other than to retardedly RNG a role? I'd quite like to pick one, actually.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 16 2012 09:54 GMT
#495
Shit, now I'm going to have to read back why 3rd is supposed to be RNGing. Anyone care to summarise?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 16 2012 10:06 GMT
#497
On May 16 2012 19:04 deconduo wrote:
[1,1] Almost changed at the last minute but decided against it. Glad I didn't now

Show nested quote +
On May 16 2012 18:54 marvellosity wrote:
Shit, now I'm going to have to read back why 3rd is supposed to be RNGing. Anyone care to summarise?


CPR and Janitor are probably the most dangerous mafia roles, so we want to know exactly where they are and who has them. This is why we assigned them to #1 and #2 picks. This is fine if town are #1 and #2, but if there is a mafia there, they can claim they picked CPR/janitor, when in reality they picked some other good mafia role, and had a teammate who is at the bottom of the draft pick CPR/janitor instead. This way they get 2 strong roles instead of 1 strong 1 weak. However if you claim you will RNG between CPR/janitor then its a huge risk for mafia to drop down a role. They have a 50/50 chance of both getting killed AND losing the pick, being left with a man down and another with a vanilla pick. It keeps them honest and stops them from dropping strong roles down the draft list.


An unexpectedly quick and understandable explanation, thank you. I should have paid more attention to such things but my draft pick wasn't designed to place high :/

I'll go along with this as it seems pretty sensible, if a bit sucky for me
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 16 2012 11:15 GMT
#500
On May 16 2012 20:13 risk.nuke wrote:
So many plans, I'm going to think on this. I may or may not follow them. I may or may not tell you if I decide to follow them. Honestly though, your arguments arent nearly as persuasive as you think they are.


Explain why not then, don't just state it
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 16 2012 12:48 GMT
#517
On May 16 2012 21:35 risk.nuke wrote:
Oh and denying cpr is stupid. The Janitor. there is a dangerous role. Cpr. Not so much Toad got no idea what he is talking about. Or rather he only sees half the picture.


Denying scum an extra KP every night is stupid because...?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 16 2012 14:07 GMT
#520
On May 16 2012 22:56 Qatol wrote:
Marvellosity, don't let the discussion here confuse/WIFOM you. You should still be randomly generating (like random.org or dice if necessary) between Janitor and CPR. We want as little predictability as possible for the mafia in the role selection process.


No, it's fine, it's more a combination of two things:

1) I didn't get involved in plan discussion, and mainly
2) I didn't expect to be in a draft position where it mattered (7,2 being third is a mystery to me)

I'm fine going along with the plan even if my initial reaction was more selfish - just ask sandroba what I was like in Space Station
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 16 2012 14:18 GMT
#527
On May 16 2012 23:16 risk.nuke wrote:

About the cpr.
First lets just establish the cpr. It's a powerrole. We can just say it's conditioned vigilante. And a vigiliante is a very good role to have as town. This game is a 3way due to the serialkiller. And as in any multi-team battle it's more important to strenghten your own team then weakening one of the enemy teams. Numbers will always work against the numerously leading team. Saying vigilantes should never be used because it will shorten the game is dumb, super dumb and even dumber then that. The scumteam will have a much better idea of what powerroles are where and set the pace of this game. Trying to pick powerroles to for a specific playstyle (Delaying the game) will only block us and bite us in the ass.

And please don't discuss what roles which team wants to pick. Most of it is common sense but discussing that informations only purpose will be to make it easier for the mafia to choose their picks. If you want to discuss shit, discuss scumreads.


Stupid argument. If you're strengthening your team by a tiny bit but weakening the primary opposing faction by a huge amount, your argument is shit.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 16 2012 14:21 GMT
#529
On May 16 2012 23:20 zelblade wrote:
@Risk.nuke

Since you agree Janitor is dangerous when in scum hands just follow the plan and take it -_-

I really do not see the problem here

Also, what do you think about Qatol's plans for where our discussion efforts should go to today?


read his post, he already said what he thinks we should be discussing.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 16 2012 14:27 GMT
#532
On May 16 2012 23:24 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2012 23:18 marvellosity wrote:
On May 16 2012 23:16 risk.nuke wrote:

About the cpr.
First lets just establish the cpr. It's a powerrole. We can just say it's conditioned vigilante. And a vigiliante is a very good role to have as town. This game is a 3way due to the serialkiller. And as in any multi-team battle it's more important to strenghten your own team then weakening one of the enemy teams. Numbers will always work against the numerously leading team. Saying vigilantes should never be used because it will shorten the game is dumb, super dumb and even dumber then that. The scumteam will have a much better idea of what powerroles are where and set the pace of this game. Trying to pick powerroles to for a specific playstyle (Delaying the game) will only block us and bite us in the ass.

And please don't discuss what roles which team wants to pick. Most of it is common sense but discussing that informations only purpose will be to make it easier for the mafia to choose their picks. If you want to discuss shit, discuss scumreads.


Stupid argument. If you're strengthening your team by a tiny bit but weakening the primary opposing faction by a huge amount, your argument is shit.

No you're an idiot because you're scared shitless the mafia "might" get the cpr, which is pretty damn unlikely to begin with. It will be easy to figure out if the cpr is in the hands of mafia or town. And since people should and will try to go for the cpr we will know it's one in the top branch who have the powerrole. So finding a mafia cpr won't be that bloody hard after 2 nights so they will likely not even risk their resources trying to go for that role.


If you had all this to say, why didn't you bother doing so when the main discussion was going on? You know, when people were asking if anyone disagreed and you didn't say a bloody word, that kinda time?

Mafia getting the CPR becomes increasingly likely if town (for who it is not such a good role) doesn't have a plan for picking it up. And CPR is way way way better for scum than town.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 16 2012 14:38 GMT
#537
you may be confusing confused and panicking for better informed
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 16 2012 14:49 GMT
#539
Last I heard not much is still more than not at all
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 16 2012 14:51 GMT
#540
More to the point, why do you think they'd be confused and panicking?

Is this what typically happens after 8 hours of day 1 discussion?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 16 2012 15:02 GMT
#543
On May 16 2012 23:55 risk.nuke wrote:
I said it wont affect them at all if you bothered to read before you spurted out your bunch of nonsense.


Accusing me of not reading when you're the one who had an entire day to raise objections to the plan being raised and yet sat there twiddling your silly little thumbs.

Nice.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
RSL Revival
10:00
Season 1: Playoffs Day 1
ByuN vs Classic
Clem vs Cham
Crank 1382
Tasteless999
IndyStarCraft 94
Rex81
3DClanTV 45
IntoTheiNu 44
LiquipediaDiscussion
The PondCast
10:00
Episode 53
CranKy Ducklings35
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Crank 1382
Tasteless 999
IndyStarCraft 94
Rex 81
ProTech58
EnDerr 3
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 3477
Rain 3110
Horang2 1119
Jaedong 1082
BeSt 917
Mini 409
Larva 399
ToSsGirL 324
EffOrt 290
actioN 265
[ Show more ]
Killer 250
Pusan 162
Light 157
Last 95
Mong 71
Noble 48
Nal_rA 46
Rush 46
Shinee 45
Mind 42
Sharp 40
sSak 40
ZerO 38
Sacsri 24
Movie 21
sorry 15
yabsab 14
ajuk12(nOOB) 12
hero 9
NaDa 4
Bale 3
Dota 2
BananaSlamJamma471
XcaliburYe470
420jenkins282
League of Legends
JimRising 386
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss1017
x6flipin304
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King166
Other Games
DeMusliM404
crisheroes248
rGuardiaN84
SortOf64
Lowko54
ZerO(Twitch)5
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 1062
StarCraft 2
ComeBackTV 523
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 40
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota292
Upcoming Events
WardiTV European League
5h 22m
ByuN vs NightPhoenix
HeRoMaRinE vs HiGhDrA
Krystianer vs sebesdes
MaxPax vs Babymarine
SKillous vs Mixu
ShoWTimE vs MaNa
Replay Cast
13h 22m
RSL Revival
23h 22m
herO vs SHIN
Reynor vs Cure
WardiTV European League
1d 5h
Scarlett vs Percival
Jumy vs ArT
YoungYakov vs Shameless
uThermal vs Fjant
Nicoract vs goblin
Harstem vs Gerald
FEL
1d 5h
Korean StarCraft League
1d 16h
CranKy Ducklings
1d 23h
RSL Revival
1d 23h
FEL
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
2 days
FEL
3 days
BSL: ProLeague
3 days
Dewalt vs Bonyth
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-06-28
HSC XXVII
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.