Liar Game Mini Mafia

On May 01 2012 06:21 chaoser wrote:


Um, the discussion it brought is pretty helpful? It started discussion? The plan itself sucks though and is very anti-town.

On May 01 2012 06:00 Ace wrote:


It's like they haven't read the OP and don't realize that banding together is a worst-case strategy.

Trying to form a block of Townies to pick out the remaining Scum is just dumb in this setup.

Independence though? Awesome. What you are looking for in this game is a block of people that share votes and appear on the same wagon (Round A's question) more than once. With 3 Scum per team they can never ALL vote the same way for fear of ending up in the majority and having their votes tracked since they need to save each other. Hence a decent team will come to the conclusion of always voting 2 in favor of Yes/No and the lone vote out taking the opposite side.

Then it's just a matter of figuring out if the Scum team have 2 players or 1 player in the Majority pool for Round B by seeing where they apply their "saving" votes.

This game is simple. You people just aren't smart enough to grasp it.

On May 01 2012 08:04 Cephiro wrote:


Most likely, yes. Always, no.

I can very well see all 3 mafia members voting for the same option, especially in the early game. A vote or two from a few random townies that have been deceived in PM-Land (or even worse, publically in thread), tadah. No worries.

On May 02 2012 01:19 syllogism wrote:
Katina you seemed worried about King Palmar plan distracting from actual mafia hunting, but you personally have voiced no suspicions at all. Further, do you really think the rather heated discussion that followed produced no useful information at all, especially in terms of connections, or more accurately disconnections? While you unfortunately aren't up for lynch today, I'm very interested in hearing from you too

On May 02 2012 07:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
My reads are all very weak because I'm basing them on what I perceive to be what is the best for town, which in this game I'm not sure I even know what the best course of action for town is going to be.

That being said, my scumreads are:

Ace, wherebugsgo, Meapak | | chaoser, Katina, EchelonTee

Don't expect reasoning. It's true, all of my votes are on Sandroba. I feel like he's town and scum are pushing easy mislynches.

I apologize to everyone for my apparent lack of concern for this game, but I've earnestly been playing and trying to find scum regardless of what you may perceive in the thread. But several peoples' attitudes this game (Ace and bugs come to mind) have made this game completely not fun for me to play any longer.

On May 02 2012 07:58 gonzaw wrote:
wbg told me (PMs) that he had a spreadsheet done and would post it after he comes from work or something.
I'm waiting for him atm.

@VE: *sigh* really? Random list of scumreads with 0 reasoning behind them?

@Katina: Could you give more thorough reasoning for thinking ET/Radfield are scum? At least taking into account their recent play/lack of play? And again post some reasoning for thinking Palmar is mafia.

On May 03 2012 02:23 syllogism wrote:
Hey katina I see you are lurking, got anything worthwhile to contribute? Are you still interested in lynching the most obvious townie in the game? Been PMing anyone?

On May 02 2012 22:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


I am unsure of sheth and bugs was compiling a list of voters to ensure that the only two to be lynched were going to be VE and roba. Nothing roba has done has swayed me in believing that he is town so I was fine with his lynch. I had mixed reservations about VE but as they were the only two on the docket I made sure no one else got random lynched due to lack of votes.

As for signing up if I don't have enough time? I have been around directly after phases begin, and 2ish hours before the phase ends. Given that my work schedule is one that typically 4 out of 7 days in a week I can have solid amount of time to do things then It is no issue. As for signing up if I don't have time to play? You do not need to invest your life into a game of mafia to have time to play it.

As for changing my vote? All votes are absolute and may not be changed according to the OP. No reason to believe that incog or ver is lying about that. I am glad that you intentionally view people negatively who follow what the hosts say though.

As for top scum reads?

Katina, prpl, and roba.

Town reads are near useless to post so I won't bother. The game is about finding mafia not finding town. You merely get the advantage of the second as you start lynching / vigi'ing mafia.

On May 03 2012 07:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I have my points on katina pretty clear in my earlier analysis of her, and given the lack of serious contribution / any real work done out of her, that opinion has not changed. Someone who has been introduced to this community and privately coached via one of the other players in this game I expect far more than what I am seeing. This isn't her first game anymore. Given the amount of time she has had to learn it is pretty clear she is not town.

On May 05 2012 00:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Wander off for a night and come back to see people once again pushing my death with 0 substance aside from "hes red guys".

Out of players like palmar or syllo such bad horrific play is to be expected. It is part of their general play. However when players like foolishness even by this point in time have yet to create an actual case against me then it is an obvious tell he is red. If he truely believed I was red and knew that there was even any remote kickback to this game he would try to garner people to vote in a way to have me killed by posting reasons as to why I should not be saved. Instead we have such posts as




Anyone also notice how his protoge katina has vanished almost entirely from this thread and has yet to make a single post in roughly 40 hours? Both people I fingered as reds have yet to do anything aside from lurk and spend happy fun times in pms. Very interesting wouldn't you all think? Foolishness' meta is fairly standard, and not posting his reads in a way to actually push them in thread is one of his mafia tells and has been for ages. But you guys ignore those things cause its what you do.

As for wonder gems like this




This is coming from a player who has to this point in the game (at least in thread) done absolutely nothing at all. He suddenly bangs out his first "analysis" post and begins to jump on the same people who have been FoS'd or pressured for the last 24+ hours. Rather than contributing anything new he rehashes the same arguments that have been made previously as if they justify an opinion.

He in the same posts claims that he thinks someone else is scum but they won't get lynched so its pointless, but rather than share his reads so that people may agree or disagree with him its "i dont want to muddle the thread". New analysis is never muddling the thread unless you are spamming it for pages.

As for his opinion on roba, its friggen amusing. He has done nothing to help anyone in this game that I know of. Roba's scum meta is to do fuckall all game. His town meta is to take charge and think of plans. Which does he represent?

Then we have a post like this out of syllo




He at not point in time has said anywhere that I have seen that he can guarentee that his read on me or cephiro is correct but he did say he can guarentee Sheths. As such Sheth is obviously his strongest read yet rather than push it he is pushing the lynch on two other players.


Everyone seriously look at the players attempting to run this game. They give you near no reasons for why they believe what they believe, are actively keeping content out of the thread, and providing near no reasons for why they do what they do. If you also notice the main people being suspected for being scum that should die are all the people who have primarily been giving them any kickback. Ace, and VE both fought their plans, died and flipped green. It is obvious that there is no intent at the moment in them finding reds, it is about removing any voice who speaks against them. That is not how town wins games. Mafia win games like that.

On May 05 2012 03:03 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Here are my reads :

BC - Suprised everyone thinks hes mafia. However I can see it a bit as he didn't really talk to me much and he provided me 4 votes out of no where. I do appreciate it BC, but I'd like to know the reason behind it.

Syllo - I'm unsure. I think he has a 60% chance of being mafia, but a lot of people I talk to think hes 100% town... I'm sticking with my thinking that he has a good chance of being mafia.

Palmar - Towniest Townie to Town.

Gonzaw - 59% mafia due to his early tunneling / anger against Cephiro. I'm not sure though Gonzaw I would like to keep you around for another day to see more.

Foolishness - I don't have much of a read on you.

Katina - We've played a few games together and I dont' think we've ever PM'ed or talked together once. Whats up? What are your reads?

WBG - I like WBG so far. I'm content with him living.

On May 08 2012 14:18 wherebugsgo wrote:


and where have you been all day, miss?

On May 01 2012 03:38 Foolishness wrote:
And since I did say we should focus on who we want to kill. I'm going to start off by saying we should kill chaoser.

Let's look at his first post:

I see here an apathetic attitude towards the town agenda. Notice lines like, "The really really bad townies will obviously die this way but that's good for the town as well since it gets rid of distractions early" which are clearly non-sensical since everyone in this game is good. What really irks me is when he says "It's like a vigi hit that the whole town controls. It's basically multi-lynch but not everyone knows the votes. I'm sure the votes will end up sorting things out though." Is this even helpful in any way? Why would he bother saying these things? Everyone here has read the rules and knows what is going on. It is obvious he doesn't care about what's going to happen..."I'm sure the votes will end up sorting things out..."

His attitude is "don't worry guys things will work out in the end". We all know that there is a crap ton we need to be worried about so that 5 people don't end up dying day 1.

He has taken a stance on that he wants everyone to be in the majority, but this was originally Wiggles idea. It seems his main reason for justifying the plan is that it is better than Palmar's (not going to discuss whether or not his plan is actually better as that's not what this is about). As I stated above he is okay with having everyone in the majority since he thinks things will work out, and if anyone dies it will be the "really really bad townies" of which do not exist in this game.

If you click his filter you can see a few other things that only further my case. He asks a lot of questions and does it in a way to throw doubt around. I have no problem with people asking questions but it does not seem his goal is to accomplish something for the town. Rather he is making everyone skeptical of all the plans that are presented thus far.

chaoser needs to die. If he is in the majority we should see to it that he is killed.

On May 09 2012 18:38 Palmar wrote:
There is really no plan that we can follow today that allows us to guarantee the people we want to kill are in the minority. Again, I think the best way is to random and not tell anyone how you're voting. Obviously this opens the possiblity of stacking, which is what I believe has been the case last 2 days to save sandroba, but the chances of MZ, chaoser, cephiro and sandroba all ending up on the same side AND in minority are extremely slim.

On May 10 2012 04:47 Palmar wrote:


How is that remotely tossing doubt around. Do you have a fleshed out plan on how to proceed?

You've been tunneling me all game, the only reason you've gotten by this long is foolishness seemed to think you're town.

On May 10 2012 06:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Alright I fucked up with Palmar. I thought his plan was retarded and since he's put zero effort into this game I assumed he was scum. I reread his filter and realized that he actually wants to kill the same people I do. For clarity's sake, here's the PM from Bugs that put made me think Palmar is scum. Also for those wondering, WBG never told gonzaw why Palmar was scum, so that link is gone.+ Show Spoiler +

There's also a handy spreadsheet in there, bugs and I used it to flesh out voting patterns. Sadly, I'm really not sure who to put down as scum in place of Palmar. We'll still go through on the plan I set forward earlier today, we've still got plenty of targets to work with, it just means that I'm gonna need to go back and look through my townies to figure out which one of them is scum

Palmar I'm sorry, I jumped to conclusions and now I'm slightly fucked. Since your reads are basically mine, who do you think is the last scum?