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Only played one game where I was shot night 1. So I'm still a super noob. | ||
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Hello all just woke up and read through the thread so far. I'm kind of worried that a load of time was wasted discussing RNG votes. It seems a bit like Dittert was sending us down a bad path. I'm not sure if that's due to scummyness or newbness but it's definitely something to watch out for. As for Kharad's pressure vote on Hiro it makes sense if he is trying to get a read on him based on info from a previous game. I'm guessing he isn't that suspicious of him after his answer due to the unvote. Finally on lurker votes I'll reiterate what I said in my last game that lurker votes should be a last resort because you have a fair chance of lynching a blue that is hiding in the shadows. | ||
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I didn't mention blue reads at all. I said lurker lynches can get a blue who is trying to hide in the shadows. I never mentioned anyone I thought was blue or how we would figure a blue out. You seem to be looking so hard for slip ups you are making some yourself. | ||
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I've had a good read through your argument against ArcticFox and haven't found any major holes in your logic there. I think that the talking about blues is less important than the stuff he says about policy lynches (although it definitely doesn't help his case). He seems to say that he doesn't want a policy lynch but keeps suggesting various policy lynches: On April 12 2012 10:28 ArcticFox wrote: I would prefer not to have to policy lynch at all, but liars and lurkers is a good place to start. On April 12 2012 08:34 ArcticFox wrote: I'm all for lynching liars above all else. On April 12 2012 10:08 ArcticFox wrote: I'm interested in your thoughts on our policy discussions and such so far. I'd like to see him put up some defence of your accusations. As for Dittert I still can't figure out whether he is just being a newb town or is trying to distract us as scum. He hasn't posted a proper defence yet. "I'm a newb, please don't lynch me" doesn't count | ||
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##Vote: ArcticFox | ||
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On April 13 2012 02:19 ArcticFox wrote: I'm still waiting on a good reason from you on why you're voting Dittert after flat out saying Brood is mafia. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing either way, I simply want your reasoning. Your play isn't making a lot of sense to me right now.. On April 13 2012 01:00 ArcticFox wrote: EBWOP: Also for Yomi -- why is the vote for Dittert if you're sure Brood's scum? But he never actually said he was sure Brood was scum. The closest he got was saying he was suspicious. On April 12 2012 23:56 yomi wrote: I said brood, kharad, dittert are leading a pointless discussion aka suspicious. Or this On April 12 2012 12:31 yomi wrote: nothing to contribute? I am one of the only people to post something substantive, specific, and concrete. I have looked over what's been said and formed ideas. For example I think you are mafia. But even that isn't saying he is sure of it, it sounds a lot more like " I'm suspicious of you." It seems like you are stretching a bit with your accusation of yomi. I don't know whether its you misinterpreting what he is saying or are trying to divert attention away from yourself. To me yomi's vote makes sense, he thought Brood, Dittert and Kharad all had a pointless conversation which made them suspicious. Seeing as Dittert was the one who started that he seems like the most suspicious. | ||
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I'm not entirely sure I'd call the second person agreeing with someones argument a bandwagon, third or fourth maybe. I couldn't really add anything to Xatalos's argument because he had gone through the entirety of ArcticFox's filter at the time. So I added my input my stating that I thought he was overstating part of his argument. There wasn't really much more I could add at the time. That being said I will do it now. Firstly I'm not entirely convinced by this defence On April 12 2012 22:17 ArcticFox wrote: I mentioned policy a bunch of times last night because there wasn't really a lot to discuss at the time. My primary goal was to get a bunch of people talking, which is working. As of right now, everyone has at least something in their filter to work with, even if it's not much, and we're barely 14 hours into a 48 hour day. Good start. I can understand using discussion of plans as a good way to get people talking, but repeating the idea for a plan you think is bad so much seems strange to me. This however is more reasonable as a defence. On April 12 2012 22:17 ArcticFox wrote: I read through my filter to try to see what you saw. I think you're focusing too hard on the exact wording rather than my motivation behind it. However, just after that he says. On April 12 2012 22:17 ArcticFox wrote: I was taking hard stances on the things that actually came up to take stances on. Just as I'm going to do now. Followed by very vague stances on Dittert, Kharad and Hiro. Followed by a reasonable argument against vonKlaust. I would say his point about this On April 12 2012 08:49 vonKlaust wrote: About keeping people from freaking out and start killing each other, I think that's pretty much a part of the game. People make bad reads, and innocent people get lynched. is a bit off because at first it does sound bad and makes it seem like he is wanting town to get killed but it's fairly obvious it's just stating that inevitably there will be some mis-lynches. Seems like its similar to his misinterpreting yomi's suspicion of Brood I posted about just before. | ||
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He so far has a total of 5 posts 3 of which are super short. On April 12 2012 18:29 trumpetarn wrote: About the preassure vote I have agree with acrofales and Xatalos that it seems edgeless the way KharadBanar is doing it and feels somewhat suspicious. Also Dittert seems suspicous with his proposal going down and not contributing to much in the discussion. This is just agreeing with what other people have said and doesn't actually add anything. It's also aiming for the two people who were probably most suspicious at the time. On April 12 2012 18:57 trumpetarn wrote: I agree with you on this what he said or did does not make him a scum, though I would like to hear mor from him and have my eyes on him. More agreeing with other people, still hasn't actually added anything. On April 12 2012 21:07 trumpetarn wrote: I do feel that this early in the game pressure with 2-3 votes against players probably will get anyone of us to get a bit stressed and maybe make us slip no matter if we're scum or not. This I really don't understand he says pressure voting might not be good but doesn't offer an alternative way of getting information. It also doesn't make sense because the pressure was starting to get people talking which is exactly what you want day 1. On April 12 2012 21:07 trumpetarn wrote: About Xatalos I feel some suspicion since he shows up so very eager point people out and so but still it what this game is about so its not much to go on just had some hinch when I read his post... This seems like a mis-read because Xaltos's play so far has seemed very town especially the pressure he is putting on people. On April 12 2012 21:07 trumpetarn wrote: About KharadBanar and Acrofales I think it was pretty useless with the pressure vote and the discussion around everything have given some flavour to everything but I cant really say that KharadBanar is a scum based on it. And the defense from KharadBanar feels ok, it does at least explain the second post IMO pretty well. This is very vague and seems to be echoing what a lot of other people are thinking. On April 12 2012 21:13 trumpetarn wrote: EDWOP: On the votes I also think that this is a game based on Voes so I also think the votes is needed to get pressure on people, we just should be aware of the fact that it might bring out reactions in townies aswell as scum and thats something to take into count. I still think it is a good way to get people to talk. Now he seems to be for pressure, maybe it's because it has got people talking, but is still very cautious about it and seems to be giving scum an excuse for reacting badly to pressure. On April 13 2012 02:06 trumpetarn wrote: I will just refer to my edit were I state that I think It is something to have in mind when pressuring but still this is a part of the game which is our way to find out who are scum and who are not. This is a pretty weak defence. It skirts around the fact that he is effectively giving scum an out. On April 13 2012 02:06 trumpetarn wrote: I will try to not parroting to much in the future, But since this is my first game ever I think it is hard to formulate things sometimes sinces English aint my native language. But as told I will try to be more my own in the future posts. He says this then doesn't post at all after that in almost two hours. It's not parroting other people but he still isn't actually added much. On April 13 2012 02:06 trumpetarn wrote: I don’t really dislike his playstyle, The only thing really was the fact that he came into the game with a long post with accusations, this made me feel like he wanted to fast state that look extra on these people and telling us “I am innocent”. I don’t say he is scum though I just felt a small hinch that this could be a very good play to disguise a mafia play. But giving it some more thoughts I think that it is maybe overworking the analysis since it’s a beginners game but something I thought at least and I think it is important to say everything you think to give everyone as much of my information as possible. This has a bit more on his reason for being suspicious of Xatalos but then straight after that he says he isn't actually that suspicious of Xalatos. Overall I'm rather suspicious of trumpetarn because he has barely posted anything constructive and the one thought of his that wasn't a parrot of other people, his suspicions of Xalatos, he basically cancelled out by saying he was probably overthinking it and wasn't that suspicious of him anyway. I think he is either an exceptionally lurky town or scum trying to stay in the shadows. | ||
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On April 13 2012 03:52 Xatalos wrote: Hmm.. I'll definitely want to hear your opinions on other players than ArcticFox or Dittert. Willz was right in that you didn't really push anything of your own, but rather followed behind. That doesn't look good in my eyes. Also, I wonder about your fast change of heart earlier - your first reaction was to label me as a possible Mafia for suspecting you (OMGUS reaction) and right after that you started agreeing with me on everything. How does that work? I never thought you were mafia and wasn't trying to label you as such. I was just pointing out that what you had said about me wasn't quite accurate. Also this was before you had posted your suspicions on Arctic. You posting those suspicions definitely reinforced you as being probably town in my head. | ||
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On April 13 2012 04:18 Acrofales wrote: Because I am currently trying to figure out Xatalos: imallison, mind telling me why you think he's so townie? Mainly because he was the first person to go out of his way to voice his suspicions of someone. That strikes me as very town like play. | ||
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On April 13 2012 04:33 Acrofales wrote: That was spectacularly underwhelming. Posting a case on someone is not a tell of anything, plenty of reason for scum to post cases (and I should know, I spent most of GoT mafia blowing up townie's mistakes into cases). He probably has the largest filter of anybody and your reason for listing him as your strongest town read is that he was the first to post a case. I won't ask for more, but I hope not everybody is as gullible as that. He is my strongest town read because I have no sort of town read on anyone else. It certainly isn't super strong and if someone had a good argument against him I could be swayed. I assumed that scum wouldn't want to put themselves out there like Xalatos had. I guess that scum could hide behind that which I hadn't thought of. Thank you for pointing that out. | ||
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On April 13 2012 06:09 willz22912 wrote: What's your opinion on my claims against you? Bandwagoning on any vote without good cause is still bandwagoning, even if you're the first person. If I have a different opinion of Xatalos's case vs ArcticFox and I disagree with it, but you still agree with him (meaning you don't agree with my interpretation), why? I also find it highly unlikely that you have no other town reads on anyone else, you just didn't think of anyone else because Xatalos's case against ArcticFox was the only discussion point. Be more assertive and decisive in your opinions. If one good argument sways you then you are the type of town Mafia love to keep around because you sheep other people's thoughts. Don't keep to this line of thinking. Well your claims against me are just that I hadn't posted anything of my own, which I've done now so I'm not really sure there is much to say unless there is something else about me you think is suspicious. Your criticism of me was perfectly valid but I have rectified your concern. As for other town reads I think dittert is more newb town than scum but it would be nice to hear from him. Acrofales I think is town but I'm not sure because he seems to jump his suspicion around a lot and I can't figure out why yet. You I'm leaning towards being town you seem to be fairly helpful and getting useful info from other people. Everyone else is neutral or a bit scummy in my mind. | ||
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On April 13 2012 06:29 willz22912 wrote: Your case on trumpetarm makes sense, are you still voting ArcticFox or are you changing your vote to trumpet based on what you've posted? I personally am giving a lot of people the benefit of being a newb and first game, but I may have clouded my own judgement in thinking this. You say that trumpetarm is more suspicious than dittert, when essentially they are making the same mistake, (lurking, not posting anything constructive) I'm giving people at least another 12 hours for the EU folks to respond to the accusations I've made. I suggest you give a little bit more time for the accused to respond as well. We have the same 4-5 people posting and it's getting us nowhere at this point. I think in the interest of actually getting a response seeing as none has been given yet I will change my vote to trumpet. I think what Arctic and other people have posted about Xatalos's case has convinced me he might not be scum. It's not purely down lurkyness because Dittert has been lurking but apart from the dumb RNG suggestion hasn't posted anything that sounds that scummy. ##Unvote: ArcticFox ##Vote: trumpetarm There are other people I think might be a bit scummy but haven't posted enough to get a good read on. | ||
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Yomi (1): Kharad trumpetarm (1): imallinson Dittert (2): Broodking, Yomi Xatalos (1): Hiro ArcticFox (1): Xatalos | ||
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ArcticFox (0) vonKlaust (1): Xatalos | ||
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On April 13 2012 15:40 Xatalos wrote: imallinson, I noticed a couple of suspicious things about your filter. First of all, this: This post is an almost complete lie. If you look at my filter, I made my case against ArcticFox FIRST and only noticed your (suspicious) post after that. So your reasoning for first saying I'm Mafia and then backing off is extremely questionable, based on this post at least. And you say you never suspected me to begin with? Then what was this post all about: What is that if not accusing me of a Mafia slip? You never said directly I was Mafia, but looking at this sentence, I can see no reason to post it unless you thought I was Mafia. So why did you say later on that you never thought I was suspicious at all? it's not accusing you of a mafia slip at all at the time you were throwing accusations around like crazy, this was about 12 -14 hours in mind you, I was merely suggesting you maybe should calm down and think more logically that saying 4 or 5 people seem scummy with no evidence to back it up. town can make slip ups as well. On April 13 2012 15:40 Xatalos wrote: Other potentially suspicious bits from your filter: - Your first post is very vague and hesitant, typical for a Mafia first post. - Your two Mafia reads so far have been ArcticFox (easy to jump on after me) and trumpetarn (a hardcore lurker who wouldn't defend himself). If Acrofales had flipped town, you could have just put the blame on me instead of yourself. Going after trumpetarn is very easy and harmless for you, because even if he flips town, nobody will blame you for being suspicious of an anti-town lurker. - Your sudden vote list is a "classic" Mafia tactic to appear useful without actually being useful. It's not really a reason to lynch you, but also considering the other stuff, it all adds up. - Over half the people here had hesitant first posts. - I picked trumpetarm at random out of the people who were lurking to make a case either way on because Willz suggested I make a case on someone who wasn't in the spotlight to put my own opinions out there. I'm not sure what Acrofales getting lynched has to do with anything no one has really suggested he might be scum. And ArcticFox was me agreeing with your case. If people agreeing with you makes them scummy I don't know what to say. - The vote list was because Willz had just asked if we could have a separate vote thread because it was hard to figure out where the votes were. I don't see how that is in anyway scummy. | ||
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I feel like I've been posting a decent amount, I'm certainly not the most prolific of posters, but I've stopped posting as much about other people's analysis because I was criticised for it earlier. I'm kind of waiting for a response from trumpetarm beyond "I'm not here that much so I can't post a lot." I still haven't actually seen a proper defence from him yet. I'd also like to get a read on Hiro but he still hasn't posted anything of worth besides the weakest of cases against you then following you in jumping on vonKlaus. | ||
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Seeing as you unvoted yomi do you still think he could be scum? Also why do you think Willz is more scummy? | ||
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