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Bocki
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First Mafia game on TL, loads in RL | ||
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sorry, had to watch Game of Thrones first  So, this is my first TL Mafia game (I've played a lot in RL a while ago). I hope this is gonna be fun. As i read through the thread, theres no real info right now, right? | ||
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Bocki
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Since there is no Information: What to do? We can either do a random lynch, choose someone that is quiet or something. Because someone that did not post at all will be modkilled anyway. | ||
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Right now, least posts numbers is seviro with 1 post, before the game started, so if he does not post, he will be modkilled. The least posts (although by only 1 post) is gossemeer with 3 posts. Anyone a better idea? | ||
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Yeah, I know that you dont do it mathematically, but I think its a valid thing to do on first day. If you play normal mafia, its really rare that someone gets lynched on the first day, but since we have to do it, might as well do it mathematically. | ||
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##Vote: Lyter Too bad for seviro, but hello lazin | ||
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Well, deadline is in a few hours, we'll see what happens then. No one should be modkilled due to afkism. Hmmm.. QUESTION: Is the punishment for not voting modkill? | ||
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I wasnt there yesterday in the final hours so I didnt see lyters defense. But I dont think that I would have choosen someone else anyway. The problem is: We chose lyter because he was so quiet, so he wouldnt bring much to the table. After he defended, you chose gossemeer because he started the bandwagon. Thats both pretty random, but that is normal for day 1. This is not a defense for gossemeer, I dont think anyone can really make a decision right now about who is scum and who is not. But since we are all relying on very little right now: I support gossemeer in his diagnosis of BlueyD. He made some good statements. Lets see what BlueyD says to that. | ||
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On April 06 2012 04:54 BlueyD wrote: ...and I'm still scumhunting actively... ...A reminder to others that Gossemerr is not my only suspicion... Firstly, you are not really scumhunting, all you do is suspect Gossemeer. Yes, you noticed Therapist and iamallinson in 4 lines, but the majority of posts is against Gossemeer. Is can not really be called scumhunting. On April 06 2012 14:49 BlueyD wrote: About the night hit: They picked the guy who stood back but offered a bit of content here and there, and said the most stuff about blues and roleclaiming… That fits the blue profile very well, actually. Basically, it seems to me they went with their strongest blue read and it worked. It’s funny that era sees this, identifies it… and then goes “nahhhh, that can’t be it”, when to me that seems to be exactly it. ---------- On era: For that post about the scumhit, era went through imallinson’s filter in a whole 15 minutes and brought out all the important parts before dismissing his own findings. It’s hard for me to believe that he 1. has the skill to see that by himself and bring it all out in a relatively short time, yet 2. is so bad that he dismissed it all when he was right on the spot. That's a very small window of skill... Which makes me think he might have known what to look for ahead of time. In general, it’s as Nova says: This guy is obviously paying attention to the game (rules, filters, thread), but then he turns around with mostly one-liners, and he’s using so much WIFOM/bad logic it’s almost a parody. He’s a very tempting lynch indeed. ---------- On the lurker side, my pick for “needs to step it up” at this moment is our friend Bocki, whose filter is devoid of any analysis made by himself, and who no one seems to be talking about so I gotta bring him up. I see 3 things in there: -Proposes a mathematical post-counting method for determining who the biggest lurker is -Votes for Lyter, like everyone else -Some generic stuff about roleclaiming - Listens to Goss about me, then says “yeah” There’s a lot less spam than era there, but there isn’t more content. I'm not sure there's any content, really, and yet no one pays attention to him and he flies right under the radar. After noticing iamallinson's indecision to vote for either lyter or gosse, you now say that it was obvious blue play. How come you didnt say that before? Instead you now blame era for reading it before and then dismissing it. Thats almost as if you slipped a little disappointment that era did not come through with his opinion that iamallinson was blue. But who else but scum wants to know who is blue? On my personal accusation: Yes, I did not post very much on Day1, since its impossible to really read something on D1. I took on the mathematical reasoning because it was at least an indicator. Sure, it did not go well since that killed a townie, but since we had to vote, I would rather use a mathematical approach than something like jokes. Because then, you would have been higher on the list. Well, maybe that would have been the better choice... Gossemeers case against you was good, so I didnt have much else to say but "yes, that is a good case." Now, since you pratically pushed me for it, I had to write my own analysis of your behaviour. But thats okay, since it is true that I did not make a case until now. ------------ As a summary: I think BlueyD is trying to make gossemeer look bad, constantly attacking him. Why, I cant say, maybe he's townie and read something in gosses posts that I didnt see, or he is scum and wants us to lynch gosse so he can choose another target for a nightly kill. Maybe it's because gosse has made some good analysis about BlueyD and he wants to get rid of him. If it's about that, I think his next "victims" will be lazin or nova. I hope that was good enough | ||
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On April 06 2012 13:57 LazinCajun wrote: ...I propose that we drop it the implications of him dying and move on to more substantial matters... ...Unless somebody has some amazing read to gain from the mafia hitting imallinson (I doubt it), it doesn't make any sense to me to dwell on these issues, and I think any more discussion of such triviality indicates a lack of desire to move forward, ergo indicates scuminess. A blue gets whacked and you do not want to see why? Or talk about why? And that after he attacked you and died instantly after this? That sounds a bit weird to me. I dont know what to think of it now, really, but ... its weird... | ||
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BlueyD: As you can read from my case, I do not have much on you that I can read, thats why I didnt want to do my case right now, but I felt pushed, thats why I did it now. I wanted to find out more about you, but I didnt want your accusations be left in the room. When I notice something else about you, I will of course write it. I just wanted to assemble some more info. You defended that, well done. You attacked gosse, I supported him, now you go after me. Thats not "making a good case", thats panic. Nova: I dont think that I am the lurkiest, I think Lazin is. Therapist: I wasnt completely silent on day1 and I didnt just let the town find a green. I proposed the mathematical solution, since it was better than just read into the 4/5 posts that each player wrote. It endet in a green getting killed, but that odd was 7:2, so I dont think it was completely unreasonable. And again BlueyD: You should really consider to make a defense post. Not specially against me but against all the others as well. Therapist, gosse and era listed you as suspicious. If you are town, I'd hate to lynch you because then I would make myself really suspicious, but my feeling is still that you are mafia. | ||
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Good analysis. I like the connection stuff (although of course I dont like my upcoming in it, but at least you held by the facts). I only have one correction: --Bocki votes Lyter "Good as any" (bandwagony?) Thats not completely true. I said "good as any" in combination with my mathematical approach. Seviro had the least posts (1 post I think). Gossemeer had 3 posts when I did my vote, lyter had 4. That was the reason why I said "good as any", as in "4 posts are as good as 3 posts". I dont blame you for pointing this out, since it came up 2/3 times now. I hope its clear now why I said it. And about the bandwagony: I proposed the mathematical approach and proposed seviro (that would have been modkilled if he didnt vote at all) or gossemeer. I wanted to hear from the rest if they want to do the mathematical approach or if someone found something. Since the first vote was lyter and he only had 1 post more than my idea, I was fine with it. | ||
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I will go with my gut feeling: ##Vote: BlueyD Happy Easter Saturday to all of you | ||
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On April 08 2012 00:25 LazinCajun wrote: Bocki (or anybody else) if you read this before the deadline: Why do you think that the mafia would want to flop to Gossemerr when Lyter, somebody they would've known is town, was already getting lynched? I think that's the weakest part of my post by far, and it's bugging me. The only explanations I can come up with aren't very plausible and come off very WIFOM-y. I dont think its really weak. Lyter didnt say anything through most of the day. His post was "okay" but not really good. Maybe they thought that (since gossemeer started the lyter lynch) he would be one of the more active players and tried to off him on D1. Possible train of thought of mafia: - Lyter votes for gossemeer. Since he is on the bench and gosse started it, normal reaction. Lets look at the proposed connection Since there are only 2 maf it could either be: 1: era/blueyd era switches to test the terrain, see if anyone else is willing to switch (at that time it was 6-2) Therapist accepts lyters reasoning and jumps on the train. BlueyD switches in the hope of someone else switching to gosse. (4-4 then. It would have taken only 1 person, iamallinson for example. iamallinson voted lazin alone, so there was a probability that he jumped on the gosse bandwagon but not lyter since he already switched his vote away from that.) 2: era/therapist era, same reason therapist may have not checked his PMs (the posts were only 3 minutes apart) and did not see that era wanted him to wait a while until he posts. Example: PM from era to therapist: "lets switch to gosse and see if someone switches with us". Therapist reads it and begins to write. era sends a PM again "but not right after another, that looks scummy", but therapist already posted. BlueyD switches to gosse because of some meta stuff. Pretty vague from my point of view, but okay, everyone plays this differently. 3: therapist/blueyd era is convinced of lyters school explanation and switches to gosse since he started the bandwagon. therapist: same reasoning as era in 1: blueyd: waited the appropriate time (12 minutes is still a little small window, but okay. Since he didnt say anything for the next 2,5 hours, maybe he had to leave and didnt want to wait so long to keep the momentum of the bandwagon) and switched then. This is of course just a case against those three and I did not take into account the other players, but thats what I wanted it to be. I dont think its therapist (although the scenario sounds reasonable) and I cant tell it from single quotes. Just his overall apprearance does not seems scummy to me. So I think its era/blueyd. The only reason I voted for BlueyD instead of era is that era has made some statements that speak against scum and BlueyD did not. So in case BlueyD isnt scum, its scenario 2. | ||
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Bocki
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I'm not convinced that era is not guilty but even less convinced that era is not guilty. My vote stays. | ||
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I'll take myself time until the deadline to switch my vote. If I do so, I will of course say why. If someone might help me in creating a case either against BlueyD (with something else other than I wrote before) or era, I would highly appreciate it. | ||
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On April 08 2012 04:08 Bocki wrote: Gosse didnt say anything for 23 hours... Sry... overlooked his vote... ignore this | ||
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