• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 07:25
CET 13:25
KST 21:25
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT28Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 16-22): MaxPax doubles0Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0247LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)46Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2
StarCraft 2
General
Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book
Tourneys
RSL Season 4 announced for March-April WardiTV Team League Season 10 The Dave Testa Open #11 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026] Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 514 Ulnar New Year The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare Mutation # 512 Overclocked
Brood War
General
CasterMuse Youtube Soma Explains: JD's Unrelenting Aggro vs FlaSh ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/02 BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ TvZ is the most complete match up
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [LIVE] [S:21] ASL Season Open Day 1 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Zealot bombing is no longer popular?
Other Games
General Games
Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason New broswer game : STG-World
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Mexico's Drug War Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Ask and answer stupid questions here!
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
YOUTUBE VIDEO
XenOsky
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Inside the Communication of …
TrAiDoS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1854 users

ZvP cannon block on Korhal Compound

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
Siggeh
Profile Joined January 2012
Norway71 Posts
March 27 2012 19:07 GMT
#1
Basically this is becoming the standard zvp on ladder, and I have no clue to beat it / get ahead and so on. Like how should I respond when this occur? (watch replay)
Like what did I do wrong? When did I start to get behind? So frustrating to lose to a 40 apm player.. (high dia / master btw)

Replay:
http://drop.sc/144631
Shorty90
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany154 Posts
March 27 2012 19:22 GMT
#2
How is this different from any other 3pylon rampblock?
I can't believe I ate the whole thing.
Olsson
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden931 Posts
March 27 2012 19:23 GMT
#3
Either put a drone on patrol below the ramp or leave. There's nothing you can do to come out even with them you'll be miles behind.
Naniwa <3
MicroTastiC
Profile Joined January 2011
375 Posts
March 27 2012 19:25 GMT
#4
put drone on patrol; or put down an earlier pool and switch up your build style
Atropin
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany96 Posts
March 27 2012 19:34 GMT
#5
Back in the days after the beta there has been a thread around showing that 11pool 18hatch is basically the same economy as hatchfirst because of the early queen
Wer andern in die Möse beißt ist böse meist
Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-27 19:39:08
March 27 2012 19:35 GMT
#6
I love how people say "patrol a drone at the ramp" as if it's the most normal thing. That's like saying that you should never lose to an unscouted nydus rush because you can patrol probes across every 3x3 space in your main. It's kind of silly to suggest a solution like that. Unless you're playing Incontrol or Combatex, you can't just assume that a pylon wall is imminent, so sacking a drone at the 3:00 mark every game is in no way the "standard".

A real solution would be to have your second overlord watching over your building hatch to spot for proxy, and if so, do a drone drill to clear a pylon out. Granted, you lose a lot of mining time, but the toss had to sit around banking an expansion's worth of minerals waiting to troll you, so you're not as far behind as it feels in-game.
We CAN have nice things
freetgy
Profile Joined November 2010
1720 Posts
March 27 2012 19:37 GMT
#7
it was standard until zerg players got lazy
BoxedLunch
Profile Joined January 2011
United States387 Posts
March 27 2012 19:38 GMT
#8
simple really, patrol a drone to stop this.

also, later on i feel your decision to make banes to kill his many cannons at your natural was.... inefficient. i would've committed to one base muta to try and catch him with his pants down, rather than making roach/ling standard play. although, he was so bad, that you almost won with a standard transition.
In theory, practice and theory are the same. In practice, they are not
Badazmotha
Profile Joined July 2011
United States8 Posts
March 27 2012 19:47 GMT
#9
Like mentioned before...on 1 spawn point maps I prefer to early pool like an 10 pool if u wanna get in before the cannon finishes and mess with his probes a little bit (turn the tables) or 11 pool and most of the time is you run a drone down to "fake" expand the typical bad toss player will drop a pylon and try to "block" the non-incoming hatchery.

But thats just how I like to play this match-up sort of sacriices early drones, but thats just how I like to play this match-up.

Once the pylon wall is down, its tough to get out ahead b/c he is FFE'in and getting ahead rather quickly, but in this position I like the nydus worm choice haha
the day hydras have 120 hp...I will cry in happiness
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
March 27 2012 19:56 GMT
#10
ehm, this has existed since the early days of the beta, I thought it was pretty well known how to counter it by now, all you need is one drone on patrol...
jirpy
Profile Joined January 2011
United States32 Posts
March 27 2012 20:00 GMT
#11
If the toss player does get it off and you see them wasting 1000+ minerals on cannons and pylons outside your base simply tech to lair and nydus them. They won't have anything in their base if they're committing all their extra resources to a cannon rush that's already done its job
NapkinBox
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States314 Posts
March 27 2012 20:02 GMT
#12
Wait, so every game you're just gonna let a drone patrol around? I'd just use an overlord.
"Who has the best durability feat in all of comic book superheroes?" "Aquaman surviving pop culture."
Archile
Profile Joined June 2011
United States403 Posts
March 27 2012 20:19 GMT
#13
On March 28 2012 05:00 jirpy wrote:
If the toss player does get it off and you see them wasting 1000+ minerals on cannons and pylons outside your base simply tech to lair and nydus them. They won't have anything in their base if they're committing all their extra resources to a cannon rush that's already done its job


actually, 3 pylons+ 1 cannon (all you need) is only 450 minerals. that plus the fact that the 3 pylons are useful still means that hes really only WASTING 150 minerals
Just a bad player trying to be a little less bad
Liquid`Snute
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Norway839 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-27 20:39:34
March 27 2012 20:20 GMT
#14
You need to use the minerals in the 3rd base and camera hotkeys for the drone drill.
Patrol drone is the easy fix. Drone drill with camera hotkeys is for the true nerd ballers.

Step by step guide.
- Spot the 3-pylon block with your 2nd overlord.
- Select all drones, just a-move them close to the pylons or something, move on -
- Move screen view to your own natural 3rd base asap.
- Position your camera so that the mineral patch in the korhal 3rd is somewhat to the bottom right/top left on your screen.
- Put the mouse over the mineral patch and SAVE F-CAMERA HOTKEY 1.
- Click DRAG SCROLL (middle mouse button) and move with your mouse all the way to the pylonblock.
- Let go of the mouse scroll on top of the pylon you want to break. DO NOT MOVE YOUR MOUSE.
- If you missed on the central pylon, hold down drag scroll once more and position the mouse over the pylon.
- When the cursor is successfully in position, SAVE F-CAMERA HOTKEY 2. DO NOT MOVE YOUR MOUSE.

You are now ready to break the block.

- Hit F-camera hotkey 1 with all your drones selected, landing you in your natural 3rd.
- Your mouse is over the mineral patch. Right-click the mineral patch once, then hold down shift and spamclick it a few times.
- Let go of shift.
- Hit F-camera hotkey 2 once and RIGHT-CLICK the pylon. You are still not moving your mouse and shouldn't be.
- Repeat these steps until the contain is broken.

edit: just want to get it out there that this is how you solve metalopolis and shattered temple blocks, too. either way this is the best method to use, it grants you the most DPS if you execute it without flaw.
Team Liquid
willverrecken
Profile Joined March 2012
80 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-27 20:22:16
March 27 2012 20:22 GMT
#15
On March 28 2012 05:02 NAPoleonSC wrote:
Wait, so every game you're just gonna let a drone patrol around? I'd just use an overlord.


you don't understand.
the drone is patrolled at the bottom of the ramp to block his pylons from walling you in.

you can drone drill on korhal too but it's way harder because you need to do it 'blindly'. you have to use a different mineral patch, the ones on the nat don't work if im not mistaken.
i forget which one exactly but i think it's on the base above/below the 4th (the center ones) and then blindly time the drone hits accordingly. thankfully no one has done it to me on that map yet.

i saw snute do it once
NeonFox
Profile Joined January 2011
2373 Posts
March 27 2012 20:32 GMT
#16
On March 28 2012 05:00 jirpy wrote:
If the toss player does get it off and you see them wasting 1000+ minerals on cannons and pylons outside your base simply tech to lair and nydus them. They won't have anything in their base if they're committing all their extra resources to a cannon rush that's already done its job


They only need probes to kill the nydus and most protoss players that force you to stay on one base are extra careful about spreading pylons in their base.
PeanutsNJam
Profile Joined April 2011
United States175 Posts
March 27 2012 20:48 GMT
#17
On March 28 2012 05:32 NeonFox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 05:00 jirpy wrote:
If the toss player does get it off and you see them wasting 1000+ minerals on cannons and pylons outside your base simply tech to lair and nydus them. They won't have anything in their base if they're committing all their extra resources to a cannon rush that's already done its job


They only need probes to kill the nydus and most protoss players that force you to stay on one base are extra careful about spreading pylons in their base.


You can nydus outside their base, pressure the ramp, nydus inside the base, and just be aggressive and force the p to screw up. Hell, fly overlords over to be annoying.
Gelenn
Profile Joined April 2011
United States87 Posts
March 27 2012 20:50 GMT
#18
The drone patrol will work more often than not, but I have had protosses see my drone and just throw down 4 pylons instead of 3 when I blocked the 3rd pylon spot. If a protoss REALLY wants to throw down that wall, it's pretty damn hard to stop them. What's the best response if the wall gets down? Drone drill still the best?
willverrecken
Profile Joined March 2012
80 Posts
March 27 2012 20:52 GMT
#19
yep. drone drill is as good as it gets.
nydus generally only works if the protoss messes up.
memcpy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States459 Posts
March 27 2012 20:59 GMT
#20
On March 28 2012 05:20 Snute wrote:
You need to use the minerals in the 3rd base and camera hotkeys for the drone drill.
Patrol drone is the easy fix. Drone drill with camera hotkeys is for the true nerd ballers.

Step by step guide.
- Spot the 3-pylon block with your 2nd overlord.
- Select all drones, just a-move them close to the pylons or something, move on -
- Move screen view to your own natural 3rd base asap.
- Position your camera so that the mineral patch in the korhal 3rd is somewhat to the bottom right/top left on your screen.
- Put the mouse over the mineral patch and SAVE F-CAMERA HOTKEY 1.
- Click DRAG SCROLL (middle mouse button) and move with your mouse all the way to the pylonblock.
- Let go of the mouse scroll on top of the pylon you want to break. DO NOT MOVE YOUR MOUSE.
- If you missed on the central pylon, hold down drag scroll once more and position the mouse over the pylon.
- When the cursor is successfully in position, SAVE F-CAMERA HOTKEY 2. DO NOT MOVE YOUR MOUSE.

You are now ready to break the block.

- Hit F-camera hotkey 1 with all your drones selected, landing you in your natural 3rd.
- Your mouse is over the mineral patch. Right-click the mineral patch once, then hold down shift and spamclick it a few times.
- Let go of shift.
- Hit F-camera hotkey 2 once and RIGHT-CLICK the pylon. You are still not moving your mouse and shouldn't be.
- Repeat these steps until the contain is broken.

edit: just want to get it out there that this is how you solve metalopolis and shattered temple blocks, too. either way this is the best method to use, it grants you the most DPS if you execute it without flaw.


Wow, this is pretty sick. Can't believe you put so much thought into it. Gonna try this myself.

Personally I prefer to send a drone out at 2:05ish to scout. If timed properly it will get to the ramp the same time a protoss player does a 12 forge 3 pylon block. Of course the weakness of this is that if the timing is missed by a second or his timing is delayed then the wall will still go down.

Anyone who says to stay on 1 base is just wrong. There are many threads on this topic and many games and they all show that zerg is in an extremely disadvantageous position once the wall completes. Of course it's still possible to win with nydus or 1 base muta but that's entirely the fault of protoss not playing correctly and should be left as a last resort, not the go to response.
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
KCM Race Survival
10:00
Week 7
BeSt vs RushLIVE!
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 1248
LiquipediaDiscussion
PiG Sty Festival
10:00
Twitch Plays + Serral Holdout
Serral vs TBDLIVE!
PiGStarcraft730
LiquipediaDiscussion
The PondCast
10:00
Episode 83
CranKy Ducklings27
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft730
Lowko219
ProTech2
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 42631
Calm 8653
Rain 2346
Sea 1868
Horang2 1844
Bisu 963
Jaedong 640
Flash 633
Stork 362
BeSt 310
[ Show more ]
Shuttle 229
ZerO 205
firebathero 193
Last 167
Light 153
Soma 153
Mong 125
EffOrt 104
Rush 84
ToSsGirL 56
Mind 47
hero 45
Larva 40
[sc1f]eonzerg 38
Sea.KH 36
Backho 36
Shinee 27
sSak 26
Sharp 25
IntoTheRainbow 24
Hm[arnc] 21
Barracks 20
NotJumperer 19
GoRush 15
sorry 14
scan(afreeca) 12
Terrorterran 8
Noble 6
Icarus 5
Dota 2
XaKoH 497
XcaliburYe96
Counter-Strike
olofmeister2195
x6flipin618
oskar67
Other Games
singsing1841
B2W.Neo708
crisheroes302
Mew2King102
QueenE68
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick959
Counter-Strike
PGL424
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 67
• LUISG 34
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1558
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
11h 35m
Korean StarCraft League
1d 14h
CranKy Ducklings
1d 21h
OSC
1d 22h
SC Evo Complete
2 days
DaveTesta Events
2 days
AI Arena Tournament
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
KCM Race Survival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-22
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS5
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026
WardiTV Winter 2026
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
ASL Season 21: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 21: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
Acropolis #4
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.