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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
March 28 2012 04:15 GMT
#35
/in

I already missed the first Death Factory Mafia, can't afford to miss this one too >.<
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
March 28 2012 22:10 GMT
#44
/out for now as I don't have time unless this doesn't start until friday

/in as replacement
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
March 29 2012 23:59 GMT
#63
k yay, let's go :O
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
March 31 2012 14:37 GMT
#96
/confirm

RAWR
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
March 31 2012 16:20 GMT
#98
4. There is enough room for 2 toys to occupy the same spot on the conveyor belt. However if a 3rd toy is PoPed into their spot that toy is going to be PoPed into the next available spot in most cases. Clearly there are exceptions to this rule.

Just some questions before the game start. Does this mean that in the scenario that person D is pushed he will go to the spot next to person A and vice versa?
Person A _____
Person B Person C
Person D _____
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
April 01 2012 07:03 GMT
#137
I think we should just use the push and pull mechanic like normal votes. The only main difference is just that we can't take back our vote once we give it in.

Also, should we try and get the item?
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
April 01 2012 07:23 GMT
#138
On April 01 2012 13:42 Tobon wrote:
Hiya, I too, am a good toy.

How do we want to do this? There was an attempt at using a voting system in Death Factory 1 in order to help coordinate the pushes/pulls, but it fell by the wayside pretty quickly as toys started exploring using their powers. Can we start with a couple easy ground rules, like PoPing someone off the ends of the queue or into the fire zone is extremely anti-town without a majority in favor?

I don't think some kind of voting system will really work in this format. If we try and create a voting system like they did in Death Factory Mafia I where they "burn the one with the majority vote", it doesn't make people accountable for their use of PoP as they are doing what the majority of town told them to do. Also, it is rather hard to organize as people are all in different timezones, and some people use their PoP before their is a majority vote.

I think that we should only really "lynch" 1 or 2 people per day so that we don't end up like how it went with the first game where town died within 2 days. Also, it allows us to confirm the alignment of the person before we "lynch" the next person.

@Acrofales: While I do think that it is indeed a good idea to pressure the lurkers. I don't think it's a good idea to just policy lynch all of them unless they are really lurking hardcore like posting only what is necessary to not get modkilled.

Anyways, I'm off for now.
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
April 01 2012 17:10 GMT
#181
On April 02 2012 01:56 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 01:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
On April 02 2012 01:46 syllogism wrote:
On April 02 2012 00:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Syllo you're looking bad. I'm thinking about Popping you bro. What do you think about that?

Feel free, and in the process explain as to why you think so and why a "secondary" voting system is bad


As it's been discussed already, there's no guarantee everyone would follow suit (regardless of alignment) and we can't just punish people who don't participate (because there's no guarantee that they're scum.) We can't force people to participate, and all it's going to do is cause confusion. The voting mechanic is confusing enough without adding ANOTHER mechanic into the game. You don't agree?

Can't we just vote on whether or not to follow it?

If enough people (let's say 2/3rds (13 players)) agree then everyone else would have to agree to follow it. If anybody decides to go against the town's will then we can incinerate them

But the thing is that we will be policy lynching them. Both scum/town might go against the town's will. I'd rather not policy lynch someone based on refusing to go with the majority of the town. If 2/3 of the players agree and we lynch everyone who don't agree, that would be policy lynching 1/3 of the players for not following the plan. This plan will not work too well unless EVERY SINGLE PLAYER participates in it.

On April 01 2012 20:52 Dirkzor wrote:
Weird claim by BM. Believing it would make myself or Zentor scum i guess? So lets kill zentor? =)

I don't understand why you would use your power now when you could have used it later to give so much more information.

I don't think we should push anyone to the item and back. It could be worthless and as people have already said it removes reponsibility from the people doing the pushing/pulling. I find it odd that palmar wants to go for the item.

Prplhz: How did you come the conclusion that Snarfs was in anyway confirmed town?!?! Mod confirmed makes even less sense then you just calling him confirmed town?!

Dirkzor, mind explaining why you find it odd that palmar wants to go for the item?
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
April 01 2012 19:25 GMT
#202
On April 02 2012 04:04 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 03:55 layabout wrote:
On April 02 2012 03:46 Acrofales wrote:
Ok Layabout, your posting is a bit contradictory.
Here you say:
On April 02 2012 01:34 layabout wrote:
Getting the item:

Going after the item would tie up a lot of the PoP's. Whilst there is a danger to the person being sent to get the item, anybody that pushed them over would likely be killed for doing so and so it would offer a 1:1 trade which would be good for town. If scum happen to have a hidden PoP then we risk losing the item, a townie and the PoP's for no gain.

This seemed to me pro-item-getting. In your follow-up you amended that. Fine, take yourself off the list, although I don't much like wishy washy behaviour.

Maybe you can explain why you think my behaviour is "wishy washy" and why that is relevant.

How is what i have written "pro item getting"?
Somebody (bugs?) mentioned that it would be easy for scum to kill the person going after the item. I have written that if they do that they would either face a 1:1 trade or a free kill (if they have a hidden PoP like in Death factory). I also wrote that getting the item woud require a lot of PoP's.

Please point out where the pro item getting part is.


I read that as in favour of getting the item, because a 1:1 trade is (usually) a town win (because more town than scum). It seemed to have the hidden mafia ability tagged on as an afterthought.

But why are you so uptight about it? You seem extremely eager to be taken off my scumlist. I was told last game (repeatedly) that overly defensive behaviour is a scum tell. Are you scum?

This is retarded. Defensive behaviour is not a scum tell. Just take a look at chaoser in the first Death Factory Mafia. Both town and scum of course don't want to get lynched, so people will get defensive no matter what their role is.
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
April 01 2012 20:08 GMT
#205
On April 02 2012 03:12 Acrofales wrote:
I'm glad to see everybody is so busy scumhunting today! For the record, is being for the secondary vote scummy or townie? Just so I know, because honestly I cannot use pro or contra the voting system in any useful way as a scumtell.

MrZentor: I think you're basically right. Pushing (or actually pulling) Palmar (or anyone for that matter) is atm a high risk, low reward situation and we'd be stupid to do it. Atm the only reason to push someone right to the edge is because we want to lynch him.

Therefore, anybody proposing to get the item is scum.

Cascade, Nemesis, Palmar, Layabout and Mr.Wiggles: why are you pushing a scum agenda?

Getting the item has several advantages:
1. It gives town extra powers.
2. It lets us see if any players try to "accidentally" push someone off the edge(Pretty much instant scummy at that point)

But I guess right now, with the item being so far away, it might not be worth sacrificing 10 PoP just to get that extra power. We could try and get the item the next day instead then.

On April 01 2012 14:22 Bill Murray wrote:
Zentor is very protown, but it's hard to really get anything alignment breaking out of it on the first page, pardon my triple posting

BM, mind explaining why zentor is very protown?
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
April 02 2012 03:01 GMT
#269
Time to actually give out my scumreads so far:
Right now I'm looking at Tobon.

First thing he does is proposing the secondary voting system. While that by itself is not really scummy even though I disagree with it, his next posts I find are rather bad.

On April 01 2012 23:45 Tobon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2012 19:50 Palmar wrote:
just remember to reverse your action because apparently I'm some weird toy that gets pulled when pushed, and pushed while pulled.


Nothing is for sure here, but in DFM1, this was the power of the evil Mirror Toy, who could also reverse ends of the entire queue once per game. So (a) be aware that the queue flipping power probably exists, and also (b) I'd be a a bit suspicious of Palmar, although I doubt Ace would make it so easy for us by repeating scum roles.

Note how he takes an extremely neutral stance here. He finds Palmar suspicious for his role which is similar to a role in the previous game, but then he adds that it is unlikely that Ace would give scum the same roles. This sounds to me like a scum trying to put suspicion onto someone while avoiding responsibility for it.

On April 02 2012 02:54 Tobon wrote:
So cascade's pull happened. Palmar's role is confirmed, although his alignment is still unknown.

Again he stresses how we don't know Palmar's alignment.


##Push: Tobon


Also, it's been almost 24 hours and risk.nuke and Sbrubbles have not posted at all. :/

If they don't post anytime soon, I'm all for lynching them too.
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
April 02 2012 03:15 GMT
#270
On April 01 2012 13:43 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Well, let's get this started. I think we should try our best not to wind each other up this game.

Let's try not to throw our pushes and pulls around too liberally, or at least not anymore than we have to if we can. That means that we don't end up wasting a whole bunch of pushes and pulls that have the net effect of cancelling each other out because people disagree.

Though it's tempting, I don't think we should kill more than a couple people each day, barring anyone basically claiming scum. The last game ended with a whole bunch of people dying on day 2, so based on the probability of queue altering abilities, we should probably pull townie looking people, or people we don't want to die forward a little. Maybe keep them towards the middle of the queue, in case there's some kind of queue flipper.

What do you guys think about the item? Partway through day 1, we can decide on one person who we want to get it, and then who we want to push them and pull them back. The thing is, the people who do that have their voting powers nullified, so we need to decide on who would be best to do it to, and keep it organized, so no one "accidentally" goes off the queue.

I'm going to bed now. Feel free to post a lot while I'm sleeping. Don't toy with me.

In here, you suggest taking the item.

On April 02 2012 08:18 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
VE, BM, why do you think Palmar is a good candidate for getting the item? He hasn't done anything to show that he's town this game, and his only post is asking for the item. Considering many of the items can be good for scum as well as town, why do you want to pull him to the item with no reassurance that he's town? Why are you so quick to trust him?
While when people were pushing Palmar to take the item, you are against it? Would you rather someone else took the item then? What kind of person are you looking for to take the item then? People just chose palmar because he was the closest to it(so we waste less PoP) and he volunteered.

Anyways I'm off for now, nighty night.
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
April 02 2012 13:37 GMT
#334
On April 02 2012 13:52 Tobon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 12:01 Nemesis wrote:
Time to actually give out my scumreads so far:
Right now I'm looking at Tobon.

First thing he does is proposing the secondary voting system. While that by itself is not really scummy even though I disagree with it, his next posts I find are rather bad.

Already explained that I wasn't suggesting it, I was bringing it up to start discussion. In the same sentence that I "proposed" it, I also said that it failed to go anywhere.

Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 12:01 Nemesis wrote:
On April 01 2012 23:45 Tobon wrote:
On April 01 2012 19:50 Palmar wrote:
just remember to reverse your action because apparently I'm some weird toy that gets pulled when pushed, and pushed while pulled.


Nothing is for sure here, but in DFM1, this was the power of the evil Mirror Toy, who could also reverse ends of the entire queue once per game. So (a) be aware that the queue flipping power probably exists, and also (b) I'd be a a bit suspicious of Palmar, although I doubt Ace would make it so easy for us by repeating scum roles.

Note how he takes an extremely neutral stance here. He finds Palmar suspicious for his role which is similar to a role in the previous game, but then he adds that it is unlikely that Ace would give scum the same roles. This sounds to me like a scum trying to put suspicion onto someone while avoiding responsibility for it.

Just overly wordy on my part. The important point is that Palmar very likely has the entire queue flip once-per-game power.

Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 12:01 Nemesis wrote:
On April 02 2012 02:54 Tobon wrote:
So cascade's pull happened. Palmar's role is confirmed, although his alignment is still unknown.

Again he stresses how we don't know Palmar's alignment.

Yeah, so?

I'd shrug and chalk this up to pressure except for the push. The push was completely wasteful. There's no feeling I've noticed on anyone else's part that I might be scum, so why would you throw away your push with more than 24 hours to go? Shouldn't you be trying to build a case or convince other people, while seeing what other people do as well, and then use your PoPs more productively nearer the deadline?

As it is, this really comes across as an excuse to use up your push so you won't be responsible for going against majority town's choice when it comes.

FoS: Nemesis.


Nice dodging bro. My point is you kept stressing that he could possibly be scum without outright mentioning it. It means that you were avoiding responsibility for putting suspicion on him. If you only meant to say that Palmar has another ability, why add this part?
(b) I'd be a a bit suspicious of Palmar, although I doubt Ace would make it so easy for us by repeating scum roles.


Also a nice OMGUS there too. With how he reacted, I think we may have caught scum here. Why am I pushing you? Because I think you are scum.

GOGOGO Let's lynch Tobon, let's lynch scum.
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
April 02 2012 13:39 GMT
#336
Also notice how Tobon proposed to just leave Palmar in the red zone and kill Palmar without caring about him. He is trying to put suspicion into Palmar without outright saying it.

Bluelightz, I'm fine with killing if he keeps lurking, but I think a better target right now is Tobon.
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
April 02 2012 21:48 GMT
#541
Ok what the shit is going on, I just got back.

Reading thread now.
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
April 02 2012 21:53 GMT
#548
Ok so right now apparently Palmar is stranded there by some kind of power and VE is attempting to rescue him?

Might as well claim my power then. I am indeed some kind of strong toy.

I can help pull you VE, but I've already used my push.
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
April 02 2012 22:13 GMT
#561
Rawr so we still need a couple more pushes. Yeah I'm around for now

Rereading the rest of the thread for now.
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
April 02 2012 22:35 GMT
#569
On April 03 2012 01:02 Bluelightz wrote:
Sidenote: just noticed but rofl take out nemesis from the post where I said “nemesis and dirkzor come to mind".please forgive me ;;, and at nemesis's opinion on my role: I could say the same with the guy who can queue-flip (Palmar?)

Ok wtf, I never said anything about your role

On April 03 2012 02:05 layabout wrote:
Nemesis' push on Tobon look's very forced. It also does absolutely nothing to help us acheive town's goals.

It appears that risk is the Police car toy. If he is then he should probably tell us before we act because if that is his role then we need to use it to our advantage.
+ Show Spoiler [from game 1] +
Welcome to Death Factory Mafia! You are the criminal catching Police Car Toy! You are a Good Toy.

My my well aren't you one of the most popular Toys around? You're used to being the tools of little boys imaginations everywhere in chasing down the bad guys! That said you come with a homing beacon that can detect evil near you. You can trade your PoPing ability during the day to turn on your homing beacon. It will detect Bad Toys up to 2 queues above and below you by signaling a red light if any are in the vicinity. It will give you a false positive if at least 2 toys aren't available to be scanned. If you PoP anyone you can't use it during that same day. Once you have been PoPed your homing beacon will turn off.


update note: This was updated to 1 position instead of 2. With only 4 scum and under 20 players 2 seemed way too powerful.
You win by eliminating the Bad Toys.


We will also need to do something about Palmar.

We also need to decide if Bluelightz is really the person we want to kill since most of the pitchforks were out because of his posts from the first few hours of the game.

Do you mind explaining why me pushing Tobon looks forced? I think he is scum and I want him to die.

Also, if I got it right either sbrubbles or syllogism is scum from risk.nuke's dt check? If so, I'll be reading over their posts soon.
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
April 02 2012 23:20 GMT
#584
how many more pushes do we need, can we save palmar right now if prp helps?
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
April 02 2012 23:23 GMT
#589
prp, mind helping us save palmar for now?
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