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Do the US and USSR have to fight each other at some point?
If the NUKE targets a citizen, is it counted as used?
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/in Do the US and USSR have to fight each other at some point? If the NUKE targets a citizen, is it counted as used? | ||
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So if for instance there are 6 players alive, 5 US citizens and 1 Nazi, the Nazi can still win the next day if he survives? Also I think they have a normal win con too, right? | ||
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Wait, how come Nazis have nukes but the US don't have any? >_> | ||
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Let's hunt some nazis. On March 27 2012 10:14 EchelonTee wrote: honestly I am treating this game like a standard Mini Mafia, with the knowledge that there is probably a few doods with nukes or powers revolving around nukes. AKA, re-skinned medics/vigs. and if there's anything I learned from minis, it's that there's always scum hiding in the lurkers. In general I'll always argue against policy lynches (because they're bad) but in a Mini, with so few people town simply cannot afford to have non-contributors whose alignment cannot be determined. People lurking scummily (yeah there's a difference between innocent lurking and scummily lurking) should be axed over someone with only a weak case on them. gonzaw! shouldn't you be spamming the thread by now? I doubt I need to ask 100 questions to everybody, considering this is a smaller game, so don't worry about that too much. I'll try not to "hurt your eyes" this time I think it's obvious that nobody likes lurkers, but lurking alone doesn't mean they should be lynched immediately. It just means you need to call them out, make them contribute, and put them under more scrutiny than other players, since they can easily fly unnoticed. @VE: I have to agree with johnny here, why do you prod someone about taking stances 1 post into the game? Even as pressure that doesn't seem very helpful. Also, I'd recomend nobody even slightly hint what nationality they are from. As far as I know, town don't get ANY information whatsoever if someone is US or SU, but scum can use that info to try and get their alternative win-con. So no nationality claims, nor any hint to them. If you have to claim just claim your role and nothing else. | ||
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On March 27 2012 11:38 VisceraEyes wrote: I'll prod whomever I want whenever I want for whatever reason whether you think it's helpful for you or not gonzaw. Now, let's talk about this generic/obvious advice you gave. I know why you did it (glare @ C_C) but the part that concerns me is bolded in your quote. As a member of town, I happen to know for a FACT that I don't know what "nationality" people are. So that begs the question...why preface your "advice" with the statement "As far as I know..."? It seems to me like you're trying too hard to appear clueless. There may be a hidden town role out there that functions depending if its target is US or SU, or depending on how many there are of each. Maybe there's a mason that can only recruit US players. Maybe there's a medic that can only save SU ones. How would I know if I wasn't one of these roles myself? The point is that I doubt there may be a role like that out there, and if there is it won't do us much good, at least to counteract the advantages scum get by nationality-claiming. | ||
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I don't know what that initial stupid outburst from yours was about, but it produced some reactions and that's fine, but you need to stop these emotional outbursts of yours since they don't help anyone. If you are scum it's also easy to fake them to instill chaos, so stop. I think I said this in Aperture Mafia as well. I see nothing wrong with johnys posts or his "case" against you, you acted very odd and there's nothing wrong in him calling you out. The subsequent bickering between you two was kind of useless and only cluttered things up. You can't infer johnys alignment from that bickering, you need to let him make other reads, contribute about other topics, and see what he does and how he does it. Continuing an argument based on some pointless thing will make it impossible for anyone to do so. However BH, you were going against Nemensis (for some stupid reason like him waking up to post or something), and then you completely ignored him. Why's that? Do you still think Nemensis is scum for those reasons or were they part of your "show" to "pressure" and shit? I find you are acting like in Aperture, being so confident and aggressive; which makes me think you are likely town. However I haven't seen you be scum (in a non-Resistance game), and you pushing that attitude of yours worries me. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- @VE: So, did that "prodding" of yours help at all or something? You "proded" several people based on some pointless stuff, but you never dwelled back on it again IIRC @Echelon: What's with your weird wording? Saying things like "hip hip hurrah!" or "you are crAAAzy" and that weird attitude of yours? I don't remember you ever playing like that, seems you may be trolling or something. @Bluelightz: You say ET is town and pressed people to post, do you have anything to back that up? Although I see you are posting lists now though P.S: There, I used the "-----" line breaks you guys always love >_> | ||
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On March 27 2012 23:38 VisceraEyes wrote: The important thing to note is that in his first post, he was sure to give the useless/obvious advice of "don't claim your nationality" but didn't seem interested in the fact that C_C already had. It seems to me that if I had an idea about something that's anti-town to do (claiming nationality) and someone has done this thing in thread (C_C) I'd be interested in hearing his reasons for doing so. He doesn't. Like he didn't even read it or something, when it's a big fat graphic in C_C's (only) post. I don't like the smell of it. It smells like....SCUM Ehmm, did it occur to you that I posted that advice SPECIFICALLY because Cyber_Cheese had hinted at his nationality? Of course I noticed it, which is why I gave the advice. I think that was pretty apparent. If it was an "useless" and "obvious" advice, then I guess C_C didn't get the memo about it. On March 27 2012 23:22 VisceraEyes wrote: I've found the responses to my prods exceedingly helpful in my personal hunt for scum. I've placed a vote on who I think is scum the most so far, and you've failed to comment on or even acknowledge that fact. Please do so. Go look at C_C and tell me what you think before you ask me useless questions again. C_C hasn't posted anything of value yet, or basicly didn't post at all since some hours after the game started. You don't find scum by the 1st posts that only dwell on policy lynches, debate about lurkers, about general town strategy, etc. Anybody can post any opinion about those subjects, both scum and town, so it's entirely useless to use them as an indicator of alignment. I'll wait for him to come and post his thoughts, voting for him now is kind of pointless to be honest. If he goes AWOL and lurking like in Aperture though, I wouldn't mind killing him. @people that have a problem with my spacing: I use spacing to separate different ideas. Instead of making 4-5 posts, I use large spaces to denote the same feeling. The more spaces between 2 sentences, the more apart they are in terms of content. That way you don't see a single huge paragraph that dwells with 4-5 different points. I'll try to us the "----" thing though. On March 27 2012 22:55 Bluelightz wrote: @gonzaw about ET some example of well, not "pressing" but pushing for more people to post There, ET pushes Sinensis to post more of his thoughts. This is one of the reasons why I think he's town. So that makes him absolute town in your eyes? lol this seems exactly like that thing you did to Wiggles on Aperture Mafia. You said you thought he was town because of a seemingly useless question, and now you think ET is town because of a seemingly useless pressure (which I don't think he actually pushed since then). Apart from that "pressure", what makes you think ET is town? What do you think about his wording and style of posting? On March 27 2012 23:30 Bluelightz wrote: I don't like his posts, his first post has lots of fluff( I might say but I'm not so sure on this one). his second is setup speculation, it takes TWO posts to get his point out and clear >_>?, wait a sec on his 3rd post still thinking about On March 27 2012 23:34 Bluelightz wrote: On his 4rd post, gonzaw was trying to get his points across to BH, and some questions, I dont feel this post is scummy. On March 27 2012 23:40 Bluelightz wrote: ...... Agreed lol, If you want to push a lynch on him im fine with it too. So VE's single point convinced you I am scum as well? On March 27 2012 23:51 zelblade wrote: I dont like gonzaw either. His activity is a pretty huge drop from a certain game, and his posts havent really done much in the way of scumhunting, besides generic advice. I also dont like how he dodges the C_C matter completely, and your point is the nail in the coffin. If C_C does indeed flip scum I say theres a huge chance gonzaw is scum too. I played D1 and N1 from Aperture mafia on a weekend I have uni/gym/etc on weekdays, so don't expect me to be the behemoth spammer this game. Also, why would you say this?: If C_C does indeed flip scum I say theres a huge chance gonzaw is scum too. If C_C were to be your scumbuddy for instance, you could get me lynched. Since I flip town, then you can use a reverse inference to determine that C_C is town as well. C_C flipping green or red doesn't say anything about me. On March 28 2012 00:31 MrZentor wrote:He then posts a really suspicious post that goes along these lines. There might be a non mafia role that depends on the target player's nationality. HOW WOULD I KNOW I'M NOT MAFIA I'M A NORMAL TOWNIE STOP LOOKING AT ME I doubt there is such a thing out there, and even if it exists, it doesn't change anything, so I just wasted a bunch of time talking about it. Yes it does. If there was a medic that saved only SU players, then perhaps he would take the chance to save C_C at night (if C_C were actually SU). If not the would only take a shot in the dark. Also I didn't "waste time" talking about it, I pointed it out because VE thought it was such a huge deal. Hey MrZentor, what do you think about Bluelightz? Other people's opinion on him are welcomed too. | ||
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On March 28 2012 01:17 VisceraEyes wrote: The italicized I disagree with. Here's why. Think about why he's posting it. I'll post it here for convenience. Look at the size of this post sir. Take a good look at it. Now see if you can tell me after reading it again who gonzaw thinks is scum. + Show Spoiler [My Guess] + You can't If you can, it's because you're assuming something based on what he says, but he never actually says that he thinks anyone is scum. Is he suspicious of me? His post seems to be mildly discrediting me (unclear of the point of my posts, asking if it has helped though not apparently interested in the results, negative language like "pointless" and "dwelled"). Not to mention the fact that it's clear that he's not even reading the thread fully, which I'm assuming because he commented @me but didn't comment on my largest contribution OR my vote so far. He's dancing around issues that should matter to actual townies, while spreading doubt simultaneously (read: BH, VE, Blue, ET). This is the most suspicious post he's made so far MrZentor. What do you think about that? I'm trying to figure out if you are doing this on purpose or not. I think some people said you acted like this in C9++ too, but really, this is very bad. Yes, I didn't say who I thought was scum at that moment, because I didn't think anyone was scum at that point. This is Day 1, and only 10 or so hours had passed since the day started. I needed more info to make up my mind, and I thought ET and Blue's behaviour was suspicious so I asked them some questions (I'd like ET to respond as soon as he can as well). Do you seriously think I'm scum because I didn't think anyone was scum at that point? That's a very shitty reasoning. Does this mean that because you FOSed someone 1 hour into the game this makes you confirmed town or something? And no, I'm not spreading doubt, I'm asking people for responses which I'm awaiting. If you were any other player, you would be suspicious as fuck; but I know that you have this weird playstyle as town just like BH. You are being very active and pushing people, even though you don't make much sense with some issues. You made some sense regarding the BH vs jhonny issue, which is why at the moment I think you are just rushing things through and making bad cases. And what do you mean by this?: He's dancing around issues that should matter to actual townies I don't think I "danced around" anything. @Zentor: So you said my post wasn't that suspicious, and now you say it was more suspicious than you thought. Again, did you suddenly change your mind just because of VE's post? Could you stop sheeping and tell us exactly what you think about that post I made? I also want your thoughts on Bluelightz. @sloosh: Good that you are here. Would you mind posting your thoughts on this issue about me? Do you think I'm scum or not? | ||
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Before this turns into a huge misunderstanding, now that I read it again you didn't FOS anyone at the beginning of Day 1, but you started the whole pushing thing with johnyy | ||
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Either way I'll answer it nevertheless. I'm waiting for the responses for Blue and Zentor. If none of them respond, or respond very badly, I'd want them lynched, but I'm waiting for both to respond first. If C_C doesn't come here and post his thoughts before the day ends, then he's not a bad lynch either. I'm having some doubts about other players, and I'd want their responses before posting my thoughts on them. PRE-EDIT: @Zentor: No you didn't. Here is the only part where you referenced it: His last post doesn't seem nearly as suspicious as his first two. You never said why it wasn't as suspicious as the other ones, even though you think I'm scum. And now you don't say why now suddenly you think it's suspicious as well, other than saying "I agree with VE". One more thing, before you said this about VE: VE seems to be promoting a good townie environment and being a lot calmer than BH. I am most afraid of him being scum, because if he were, I would never know. Which means you have doubts about his alignment. However, you now decide to take everything he says as true without hesitation, which is the opposite of being "afraid" of him What exactly about Blue's behaviour is pro-town to you? PRE-EDIT2: On March 28 2012 02:33 VisceraEyes wrote: gonzaw, I need you to tell me what you think of Cyber_Cheese, and what do you think of my vote of him? Do I have to repeat myself? Reread my posts if you want to see my stance on him and your vote on him. As far as I can tell, you think that "there's too little information". So to get a pass from you, scum need only not post/post policy discussion exclusively D1? When did I imply anything like that? I always have said since the beginning of dawn in TL that discussion about lurkers, policy lynch, etc is useless to determine someone's alignment. In my games I just post 1 paragraph about it to get it over with and deal with other stuff. Why would you even say something like that if it is obvious I never said nor implied something similar? You said you're "willing to vote him" if he doesn't step up, why not vote him now? You know, in case you can't make it back for lynch or whatever. If he's suspicious enough to vote to lynch then, he's suspicious enough to vote now I'd be willing to vote for him if he lurks througout the whole day, and doesn't post anything or posts anything of no value. Basicly, I'll vote for him if his future behaviour is scummy. I don't find him any more suspicious than say ccalf/Sinensis/players that haven't posted too much since. ...but you're unwilling to even SAY ANYONE IS SUSPICIOUS. A lot has happened in this thread and you should have a firm opinion of at least someone, I don't care who you are. So far everyone (who has posted) has at least a tertiary scum read and has shared it with the thread - you're being overly diplomatic and defensive. Do I need to tell you everything? I thought you were smarter than that. I thought it was obvious that the players I'm pressuring, and asking everybody questions about them are the ones I'm suspicious of. What, do you want me to make a list about who's "suspicious" and who isn't or something? Finding scum isn't a priority for you. Prove me wrong. Vote C_C. I won't do what you want. I want responses, and when I get them I'll assess who is most likely scum and vote for him. I won't try to "prove you wrong" by sheeping you. If my defense so far isn't good enough for you, well, tough luck, I hope other players think otherwise. Anyways VE, what do you think about Blue and Zentor? | ||
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On March 28 2012 02:59 VisceraEyes wrote: gonzaw, you're using scum defense. You're trying to discredit peoples' reads of you by discrediting me. If they agree that you're suspicious, it's because you're acting suspiciously. Stop trying to blame everything on other people. Townies vote. Townies try and find scum. You're trying to slither out of the spotlight. Just tell us who your teammates are and we'll kill you last. I've only seen your "case", and some points Zentor made. Everybody else is just sheeping you right now. You point a post of mine and say "This is suspicious guys, can't you see it?" and zelblade/Zentor/etc just go "Yep, now that you mention it it's suspicious". Basicly they only agree with your case and don't really present any of them own (except Zentor at times). Defending myself against your case is the only thing to do, so if that's your definition of "discreting you" then well, yeah I'm discrediting you, but I'm just discrediting your bad case against me. On March 28 2012 03:23 MrZentor wrote: You only asked what I thought of it, not why I thought what I thought of it. Are you kidding me? I think it's suspicious for the reasons VE has stated. It wasn't as suspicious as the second one I cited, because in that one it seems like you're scared of us thinking you're mafia. It's suspicious that everybody in this thread has ideas on who is scum, except for you. Actually, I analyze everything VE says, and, so far, I've agreed with *almost* everything he has said. So why did you say you were "afraid" of him (VE)? Okay, I don't want to clog this too much up, but can someone explain this to me please?: It's suspicious that everybody in this thread has ideas on who is scum, except for you. 1-What makes you think I don't have ideas on who is scum? I already stated this several times. 2-At the time I made the posts you guys mention, why was it suspicious for me not to be 100% sure someone was scum? Gonzaw, why was your spacing so strange on your first post? @people that have a problem with my spacing: I use spacing to separate different ideas. Instead of making 4-5 posts, I use large spaces to denote the same feeling. The more spaces between 2 sentences, the more apart they are in terms of content. That way you don't see a single huge paragraph that dwells with 4-5 different points. I dunno, it's the way I post. After Aperture I'm trying to improve it as I can. On March 28 2012 06:31 EchelonTee wrote: what does "being a new Jackal" mean in context of froggy's posting? oh and ur doing that thing where u call everyone townie. would be more helpful if you focused on your scum reads tyvm ^^ response to ppls about my posting: 1. after I tanked hard in my last town game trying to play "serious aggresive asshole town leader", i'm looking for a new, hopefully less fail-whale town playstyle and you guys are the lucky testing grounds. problem? I'm being way more clear with my "weird wording" than you and you big posts. So you are jumping on this bandwagon as well, huh? What do you mean by the bolded part then? You think I'm scum? Why not say it outright if you do? If so, what else makes you think I'm scum? You never mentioned me other than saying you wanted my lynch as well. On March 28 2012 06:53 slOosh wrote: As for C_C, still waiting for him to post something. I've looked at gonzaw and I do agree with this post from VE,. (From what I understand) He thinks Bluelightz is scum but he hasn't actually posted a case on him. Gonzaw could you just post the case on him instead of asking people to look at him? So, you "agree" with a post VE made. ...so? Do you think I'm scum? Or not? I'm getting tired of people just quoting VE and saying "I agree" and nothing else. If you ever find someone suspicious, state your own reasons for thinking so, or at least some thoughts of your own. Don't just COMPLETELY sheep someone else. @C_C: You are being very useless right now. I'm actually considering lynching you as well. Do you have anything to say about anything? You posted a case on Bluelightz, but even though I agree about him it wasn't even a good one. You say sloosh and me are scum, and provide 0 reasoning. You say jhonny is scum just for defending you there. So, is that why I'm scum as well? Because I "defended" you at one point? Okay Bluelightz, I was hoping that if you were town you would respond to my posts and try to be as helpful as possible. I found your reaction to be the worst one possible. You are playing just like Aperture Mafia. Post oneliners, appear "confused", post smileys, etc. You were sheeping VE's read on me too: On March 27 2012 23:30 Bluelightz wrote: I don't like his posts, his first post has lots of fluff( I might say but I'm not so sure on this one). his second is setup speculation, it takes TWO posts to get his point out and clear >_>?, wait a sec on his 3rd post still thinking about On March 27 2012 23:34 Bluelightz wrote: On his 4rd post, gonzaw was trying to get his points across to BH, and some questions, I dont feel this post is scummy. On March 27 2012 23:40 Bluelightz wrote: ...... Agreed lol, If you want to push a lynch on him im fine with it too. So at first you just don't "like" my posts, but you even found one of them wasn't scummy, then suddenly VE posts his bad case about how I'm scum because I "forgot" about C_C, and you suddenly agree with him? Also, you totally ignored my post as well. I asked for your response, and you completely ignored it, just like you ignored my case on you in Aperture Mafia. Really, I find your play here almost exactly the same as in Aperture, you lack confidence (wtf was that ET vote and unvote thing?), appear as a "confused newbie", and contribute almost nothing at all. ##Vote: Bluelightz | ||
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BH, I quite like this new style of yours, at least it's better than the one you started with in this game. What do you think about Blue BH? And what do you think about me? We have 24 more hours (or so) to lynch, we have time to look at new possibilities and lynch someone else. I want to lynch Blue, he's the most confident read I have at the moment. @ccalf & froggy: You guys almost haven't posted at all. Inactivity is what kills Minigames, at least most of the ones I played/observed. I'm waiting on you guys' thoughts. | ||
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On March 28 2012 20:16 zelblade wrote: To whoever poked me about the my view of "If C_C flips scum im quite sure gonzaw is his scumbuddie" or something along those lines, I'll explain it here. Gonzaw says that he posted regarding not claiming nationality stuff only because c_c soft claimed his nationality. But if you look at this post below... + Show Spoiler + Also, I'd recomend nobody even slightly hint what nationality they are from. As far as I know, town don't get ANY information whatsoever if someone is US or SU, but scum can use that info to try and get their alternative win-con. So no nationality claims, nor any hint to them. If you have to claim just claim your role and nothing else. I cut out the irrelevant stuff but nothing relevant has been excluded. Here you will see him saying "Alright guys no nationality claims", and he claims he did it in response to C_C's actions. But why didnt he call him out on it? I dont know but if I thought something was suspicious/bad I would actually quote it, or at the very least point it out and question why he did it. Instead gonzaw doesnt even mention that C_C did something like that - he conveniently skipped that part. As can be seen he conveniently skips out on C_C's supicious post. Why? I believe that C_C is scum, and gonzaw is his scumbuddy. Which is why I said that. I also believe that if C_C somehow flips town (im highly doubting it considering how little he is caring at this point), gonzaw would seem to be a little more townie. Scum love to cherry-pick stuff, and the fact that he didnt actually do that whilst calling C_C out shows that he could be town assuming C_C is town. Actually this is pretty weak considering that its based off a couple of posts, but this is what I feel of the situation at hand. Im also still most comfortable with a c_c lynch since he has essentially given up. Does he do this as town? Because him hinting at his nationality isn't a scum trait...? Okay people, I'll be as clear as I can with this so we don't get any more misinterpretations: I saw C_C softclaiming SU. That alone, for me isn't a tell of nothing. Could be scum confusing town or fishing for nationalities, could be SU getting too excited and breadcrumbing his nationality, could be US trying to confuse scum. If it was the 2nd one however, it would be very bad, and I posted the advice so everybody else knew not to do it again. His flag post isn't something I "called him out", because: 1)I didn't find it suspicious 2)He already did it, meaning he already softclaimed, so my advice wouldn't do shit to him. I hope this clears this misunderstanding. On March 28 2012 14:02 Bluelightz wrote: Hi guys back after eating lunch ^_^ on gonzaw's case, wtf? I didn't sheep, That was my own opinion on your post after reading your filter. Ehmm yes you did. You said and I quote: "Agreed lol, If you want to push a lynch on him im fine with it too". The only time you hinted I was suspicious was just the "I don't like his posts". That was a very subtle suspicion, but you never called me scum. After VE made his post, which rested on the whole "I didn't call C_C out for his flag" (which is a very weak point), you instantly agree with him, not commenting on said post at all, and want me lynched all of a sudden. I'd call that sheepiing. How does ONE seemingly good post deters my overall read of you of being scummy? You just said you didn't like my posts, but then you say one of them was not suspicious. So, if you liking and analysing each specific post of mine is what made you suspicious of me, then yes, you thinking 1 post of mine is "fine" crumbles your whole case on me. What the hell with "confused newbie"? I have played lots of games(lolz) and I have contributed, stayed active, and helped the discussion That's the point, you played so many games, yet in Aperture and in this game you act like a "confused newbie". Obviously you are not a newbie, so either you are doing this on purpose or you are scum and this is your scumplay. I believe the 2nd one is the case Some more reads, I think that Nemesis is town, he has been following discussion, not lurking, has provided reason for his vote on Cyber_Cheese. Why did you put a town read like this out of the blue (pun intended)? What was the purpose of this? @Everyone: This is one of those times where I agree with C_C. Doesn't it seem suspicious that nobody is suspicious of Blue and they defend him? A LOT of people are resisting the Blue lynch, don't you think that if he was townie some scum would jump on his bandwagon? So people, please consider this and take a better look at Blue, we have time to get him lynched instead of C_C. @froggy: Good that you are contributing again. What do you think about VE's case against me? What do you think about my case against Blue? P.S: I'd like the people who I responded to to respond back, for instance sloosh/C_C/etc | ||
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On March 29 2012 01:00 zelblade wrote: @Gonzaw. No. Thats not what I mean. You find something bad, and you want it to stop. What I find wierd is that you dont even mention C_C when stating that line, and it seemed to basically be generic advice. IF cc's flag motivated you to do that post, wouldnt you at the very least point it out? I find it supicious that despite you finding his flag bad for town and felt troubled enough to make a paragraph on why its bad, wouldnt you quote it or say something along the lines of "Dont do what c_c did?", or at the very least question his motivations for his soft-claim (which is personally what I would do if I think something is a bad play, or is scummy as hell)? I fail to see how it's suspicious. Did I just have to say "C_C be bad" or some shit to magically make it a good post in your eyes? Bullshit. I already said why I didn't specifically point C_C out, because he had already done it and it wouldn't have done much good to tell him to stop or something (because he already did it). That's not how you hunt scum, you don't hunt scum because of wording (which should have been pretty apparent anyways). On March 29 2012 01:02 zelblade wrote: And if youre town go skim a few of bluelightz's town games. Purgatory and Wiggles mini mafia II for instance. No, if you are town go and skim Purgatory and Aperture. | ||
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gonzaw
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On March 29 2012 02:18 froggynoddy wrote: @gonzaw Re your case against blue: he's sheeping... that seems to be basically all you are saying. Day 1 has so little info to work with that it's normal to agree what's been said before. That said in Werewolves II he was much more aggressive early game. But I don't like relying on meta as am such a new player... seems a flimsy way of going about hunting scum. He is sheeping indeed, but a lot of other players did it as well (Zentor, zelblade, etc). I'm talking about his behaviour. His behaviour is not like Purgatory at all, not even like Normal Mini Mafia I (the most recent game he was town I think, or at least that I remember). His play and behaviour is just like Aperture mafia, and I already explained why. This is what made me think he was scum in Aperture, and is what makes me think he's scum now. I wasn't wrong then, I am not wrong now. I think my reasoning is as follows, C_C's flip will, at this point in time give us the most information: 1. he flips scum --> gonzaw's likelihood of being scum increases 2. he flips town --> VE and Blue likelihood of being scum increases I don't like this type of reasoning at all. Zelblade mentioned it as well. If C_C flipped scum, what would it tell you about me? If I'm town I don't know shit about C_C's alignment, so C_C can flip town or scum and it will still mean I'm town. So if C_C were to flip scum, why would that mean I'm not town as well? And if C_C flips town? Does that mean I'm not scum either? This type of reasoning is what justifies senseless bandwagons on townies and clouds everybody's judgement. If you are trying to find connections between players then fine, but the most important thing is to pinpoint individuals as scum, and after other players flip determine his interactions with them, not before. Anyways, this is pointless, I can't believe everybody is just assuming Bluelightz is town with almost no reason at all. Killing C_C isn't bad either, once he was called out he hasn't contributed anything at all, and when he did he did so poorly. I don't think he's town so I'm willing to lynch him to avoid NL. I'm going to uni in a few minutes, and won't be back until a few hours after the lynch, so I'll change my vote now. Still people, I'm not convinced by you guy's defense on Blue, I suggest you check him out again. I still want responses from ET/sloosh/Zentor/BH/etc. ##Unvote: Bluelightz ##Vote: Cyber_Cheese | ||
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gonzaw
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@ET: Please respond to my previous post here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686¤tpage=21#407 Also, what do you think about Blue ET? | ||
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gonzaw
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VE, will you stop being a bully and start making some sense? Your "Prove yourself town to me and vote C_C" shit was retarded and you should have known it. On March 29 2012 06:58 EchelonTee wrote: RE: gonzaw's inquiries That comment was a jab at your overall playing style; i've already said that i don't like your super large posts but that's irrelevant to alignment. do i think you're a scummy scum from scumville? no. do I think you're suspicious? yep, mostly for your tone and the subjects you are choosing to talk about. am I going to put up a case on you right now? nope. I don't like your case on blue, b/c as a bunch of ppl have said, he's not acting like he did in Aperture perse and that's the basis of your argument. him writing "one liners" and looking "confused" isn't convincing enough, and I feel that you were just trying to push forward a new wagon on a player that lots of people criticize. Wtf is up with the 2 bolded points? You don't think I'm scum in the 1st point, but you think I'm pushing a wagon on a player as if was scum in the 2nd one? Make up your mind, am I scum or not? On March 29 2012 06:42 Nemesis wrote: His main case against bluelightz is that he is sheeping and playing like he did in Aperture Mafia. I checked his filter in aperture mafia, no he is not playing the same way. Bluelightz is giving out his reads in here, while in Aperture he just posted a bunch of fluff. Gonzaw, can you explain what is similar between bluelightz's player there as mafia, and his play here right now, because frankly,I don't see it. Maybe people are resisting, because there isn't a strong case against him? In both games he posts "innocent" stuff like smileys, for instance "O_O" or ":O" or "D:" or whatever. He doesn't look confident, he posts just to look active, etc. The important thing for me is that this is the next game he plays since Aperture, and I think he's playing very similarly. He's recent posting hasn't done anything to convince me otherwise either. And to those that say "Oh Blue is always scummy bla bla bla", well, there are plenty of games where he acts "scummy", but if you look closely you can see he's town. That's not one of those games. Apart from his bad posting, sheeping, flip-flopping regarding that ET vote, then yes, I'm basing my argument on meta, but I think that's enough. On March 29 2012 06:06 slOosh wrote: Gonzaw, out of the people who have called you out, who do you think is most suspicious? I'm most suspicious of Zentor. After rereading his filter, there are a few things that caught my eye: On March 27 2012 23:34 MrZentor wrote: *cough* you're *cough* EchelonTee seems to be behaving rather erratically. He starts by being helpful and explaining how he would treat the game. He continues his good townie streak by questioning BH's play with reasons. He then starts to go crazy. He then transitions from crazy back to normal good townie in this post. He does this a few times throughout his posts. To be honest, I can't decide if this is town or mafia behavior. He could be a town who is mixing BH's and VE's styles. He could be scum trying to make it seem like he is helping town while sowing chaos. I'll let somebody else decide. :/ What is this? He just points out ET's style of play, and puts a bunch of quotes; only to say that this doesn't matter later? Okay, I could let this pass, since he was just asked about his thoughts on ET, but what catches my attention is the bolded part. Not only he's wishy washy against him (a simple "He's null to me" would have sufficed), but he asks somebody else to decide? What possible motivation would he have to post that? His next post is just a rehash of VE's case against me, pointing out the "flag" stuff and the spaces from my posting (which as you have seen, I'm trying to improve). He then posts this referencing my post: His last post doesn't seem nearly as suspicious as his first two. Then after VE just points out some stuff about said post (which was weak stuff again), he immediately posts this: I will admit that it is more suspicious than I thought it was, but I still think the second post I cited is the most suspicious. When I asked why he suddenly thought it was suspicious, only by sheeping VE's post, he posts: He pointed out that it was suspicious. I agreed. I told you what I think about that post you made. Now this is clearly a lie since he never mentioned anything about that post, so when I call him out he posts: You only asked what I thought of it, not why I thought what I thought of it. ?? Seriously, that last sentence is so wrong. So if someone asks you what you think, then you shouldn't justify it just because they didn't specifically ask you why you think what you think? Really? It's obvious that when someone asks pressures you for your thoughts, you not only post your thoughts but also post the reasons for thinking that; that's the point of asking in the first place, to get people to post their thought process and reasoning. What's worse is even though he posted that, he never said why he thought about it either, he just points out I didn't ask him why he thought that, and instead of clearing doubts and posting exactly that, he just ignores it completely. Another thing that caught my eye, and he never responded either was this: In one of his earlier posts, he posted this: VE seems to be promoting a good townie environment and being a lot calmer than BH. I am most afraid of him being scum, because if he were, I would never know. He says he is afraid of VE being scum. I suppose this means he will put everything VE says under scrutiny, pressure him and keep an eye out on him in case he's scum, right? But then the only thing he does is agree with VE about everything, and not even hint at him being scum, not ever putting him under scrutiny, nothing. He only posts this (when I pressured him to): Actually, I analyze everything VE says, and, so far, I've agreed with *almost* everything he has said. I never saw anything that implied he was "analyzing" VE, nor his thoughts about him, nothing. He just immediately agreed on VE, sheeped his case on me, and when asked about said behaviour said he "analyses everything VE says". That seems bullshit to me. Him defending Bluelightz and saying he played "pro-town" isn't very good either. Oh, here's the kicker: On March 28 2012 23:18 MrZentor wrote: ##Vote Cyber_Cheese I'm voting for reasons I explained very early in the thread. Please search his filter for those "reasons". Didn't find them? here: I do agree that his initial accusation looks suspicious. The flag is really bizarre, because I couldn't imagine posting it as mafia or towns person. If I were mafia, why would I call attention to myself with a conspicuous flag? If I were a towns person, why would I give the mafia a hint at my nationality? Currently, he does seem like the scummiest player, because of the subtle accusation accompanied with his other posts. The ONLY time he posts his thoughts on C_C, which is basically at the start-middle of Day 1, and they are not very strong. He basically says he "looks suspicious" because of his accusation, and nothing else (even says the flag thing is a null tell to him). He never posted any of his thoughts on C_C's recent posting either. I'd be willing to lynch either him or Blue tomorrow, if a vig doesn't want to do me the favour and shoot one of them tonight. I don't like Sinensis' lack of participation and activity though. Will ccalf get replaced? He doesn't look good at all with that ninja-vote. If he doesn't post anything at all this night, then yes a vig should just shoot him, if not we will waste all D2 on him. Blazinghand my dear, would you make my day and respond to that post I made eons ago? Basically, what do you think about me? What do you think about the case made against me? Most importantly, what do you think about Blue and Zentor? | ||
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gonzaw
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On March 29 2012 13:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Sorry for being a bully guys, I'll try to stop. I make no guarantees. I'm taking a look at the C_C wagon. At the very least 2 and probably more scum are on the wagon. Cyber_Cheese (12): VisceraEyes (1): cccalf (1): Blazinghand ....are you kidding me? >_> lol | ||
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gonzaw
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I still want to know what you think about Blue, I don't think you ever stated what you thought about him previously. | ||
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