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Hello everyone,
I am a streamer here on TL and I use the twitch.tv service at the moment. When I began streaming about 4 months ago twitch.tv was the clear choice in terms of lag created in game and ease of use. There's been a lot of streams appearing lately though that are hosted on own3d.tv, namely all of the recent korean streamers.
To the point, has own3d made some noticeable changes to their streaming service in the past few months that make it a better experience for the broadcaster? When I tested it recently I could barely notice the difference but I was hoping for a few seasoned opinions on it.
Here's my set up:
i7-2700k
8 GB Ram
1 GB HD Radaeon 5700
I am broadcasting 1280x720 at the moment on twitch with a 1.5 mb up stream.
The main things I am looking for:
HD Users Feedback
Upstream needed for HD on own3d
#Random Viewers on own3d > or < #Random Viewers on twitch
Thanks for the feedback!
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United Kingdom20345 Posts
Own3d and Twitch.tv dont magically need different amounts of upload bandwidth, the video encoding is all done on your PC (most commonly by xsplit) so it will be exactly the same bitrate, and i cant see why the output quality would be different in any way either. They are hosting sites, shouldnt be different aside from the interfaces etc.
I prefer twitch, they were among the first (if not the first) good streaming service, day9 had constant problems before he switched to them and has been fine since, they also support teamliquid.
I think the korean players use own3d because of legal or server avalibility issues etc, or maybe they were just out of touch with western esports? I have no idea, but it seems like justin.tv/twitch was THE platform before a ton of korean streamers started streaming with own3d, and there is certainly no major problems with it
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Own3d probably got popular because all the LoL players stream there. Not sure why Destiny switched though.
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Hong Kong4685 Posts
Real reason why Own3d got popular is because they pay more for ads. If you're not getting paid, then use whatever you like best. As the previous posters said there's no difference other than the interface.
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On December 10 2011 07:55 JuddCaster wrote:
Own3d probably got popular because all the LoL players stream there. Not sure why Destiny switched though.
apparently own3d doesn't have problems with paying out money from ad revenue to players. Twitch tv as idra stated was almost like 4 months late on sending him a check. Plus i assume destiny worked something out with them.
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own3d also seem to transcode everything you send to them, so your stream quality will never be as good as it can be with other services. Their volume slider also still plays sound at 0%, whyyyy
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I agree with everything, but I'd also like to leave three comments on the own3d player.
1. As R1CH said, the volume slider is abyssimal. It's a poor implementation with no option to click-set the volume and sometimes it plays sound at a different volume than it is set at.
2. To cancel fullscreen mode (afaik) you need to re-click the fullscreen button (or press ESC). On twitch you just click the image anywhere.
3. Upon mouse movements, a temporary top bar appears, covering any player names in SC2.
Twitch.tv wins 3-0
Just to set things straight, Day9 was with Livestream and then Ustream (thx aethereality+Ichabod) before switching to Twitch.tv.
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On December 10 2011 10:16 HellGreen wrote:
I agree with everything, but I'd also like to leave three comments on the own3d player.
1. As R!CH said, the volume slider is abyssimal. It's a poor implementation with no option to click-set the volume and sometimes it plays sound at a different volume than it is set at.
2. To cancel fullscreen mode you need to re-click the fullscreen button (or press ESC). On twitch you just click the image anywhere.
3. Upon mouse movements a temporary top bar appears, covering any player names in SC2.
Twitch.tv wins 3-0
Just to set things straight, Day9 was with Livestream before switching if my memory serves me right?
Yeah he mainly switched due to the instability once he started getting more than 5k viewers for his daily. Basically if the stream died with 5k+ viewers the way livestream handled the way viewers reconnected basically made it impossible for the stream to get back up until the viewers died back down.
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On December 10 2011 10:16 HellGreen wrote:
I agree with everything, but I'd also like to leave three comments on the own3d player.
1. As R!CH said, the volume slider is abyssimal. It's a poor implementation with no option to click-set the volume and sometimes it plays sound at a different volume than it is set at.
2. To cancel fullscreen mode you need to re-click the fullscreen button (or press ESC). On twitch you just click the image anywhere.
3. Upon mouse movements a temporary top bar appears, covering any player names in SC2.
Twitch.tv wins 3-0
Just to set things straight, Day9 was with Livestream before switching if my memory serves me right?
Actually, I'm pretty sure it was ustream.
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for me personally owned is better
sometimes twitch starts to lag for me even my connection is good, with owned i never lag. dont know why
dont know if anybody else have this problem but on twitch i cant pause the stream, ever. i have to close the window
someone said that u must press esc to exit fullscreen on owned, not true, u can double click it works fine
owned loads much faster for me also
but both stream are pretty good, but for me owned is litlle better
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On December 10 2011 08:41 Boblhead wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 07:55 JuddCaster wrote:
Own3d probably got popular because all the LoL players stream there. Not sure why Destiny switched though. apparently own3d doesn't have problems with paying out money from ad revenue to players. Twitch tv as idra stated was almost like 4 months late on sending him a check. Plus i assume destiny worked something out with them.
Something about the money situation doesnt make sense though. If idra ran a stream for a good amount of time, he could make well over $150,000 USD a year just playing about 4 or so hours a day for 5 days a week @~17k viewers.
Now I look at that number and I say no fucking way. The money might be better on the low-end but you have to know these guys cut you off at a point when they simply don't have the money to hand out anymore.
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Some month ago I couldn't even watch twitch in 240p, now it's ok up to 480p. With own3d there are no problems with HQ or lag. I guess many europeans would prefer own3d because of this.
edit: twitch.tv seems to be down atm
edit2: I don't think idra could maintain 17k viewers if he streams 4-5 hours everyday.
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On December 10 2011 07:55 JuddCaster wrote:
Own3d probably got popular because all the LoL players stream there. Not sure why Destiny switched though.
Own3d pays more, and that's by far the most important thing for somebody who lives of the revenue from streaming.
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I'm not sure how much this factors into your decision but Twitch.TV sponsors a lot of starcraft tournaments, but that definitely means a lot for me. =]
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i started watching owned 2 years ago and never had any problems
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Twitch still way better, the only reason pro players use own3d is because of ads, you can choose to run 1/2/3 adds at the same time, god 3 adds actually is really annoying and takes long time to finish 1:30min, while one is like ye ok that's totally fine.
So pro players can earn a lot more streaming on own3d.tv compared to twich since you run only one commercial at a time, well at least that's how it is atm.
For normal user twitch.tv is way better overall.
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On December 10 2011 08:53 R1CH wrote:
own3d also seem to transcode everything you send to them, so your stream quality will never be as good as it can be with other services. Their volume slider also still plays sound at 0%, whyyyy
Volume slider changed randomly. Sometimes the top is low and the bottom is loud. Just gotta fiddle with it until desired volume is found. One of the few things own3d has to sort out
+ Show Spoiler +On December 10 2011 10:36 aethereality wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 10:16 HellGreen wrote:
I agree with everything, but I'd also like to leave three comments on the own3d player.
1. As R!CH said, the volume slider is abyssimal. It's a poor implementation with no option to click-set the volume and sometimes it plays sound at a different volume than it is set at.
2. To cancel fullscreen mode you need to re-click the fullscreen button (or press ESC). On twitch you just click the image anywhere.
3. Upon mouse movements a temporary top bar appears, covering any player names in SC2.
Twitch.tv wins 3-0
Just to set things straight, Day9 was with Livestream before switching if my memory serves me right? Actually, I'm pretty sure it was ustream. On December 10 2011 10:16 HellGreen wrote:
I agree with everything, but I'd also like to leave three comments on the own3d player.
1. As R1CH said, the volume slider is abyssimal. It's a poor implementation with no option to click-set the volume and sometimes it plays sound at a different volume than it is set at.
2. To cancel fullscreen mode you need to re-click the fullscreen button (or press ESC). On twitch you just click the image anywhere.
3. Upon mouse movements a temporary top bar appears, covering any player names in SC2.
Twitch.tv wins 3-0
Just to set things straight, Day9 was with Livestream Ustream (thx Hrrrrm) before switching if my memory serves me right? Actually, it was aethereality
I would stick with twitch until own3d can sort out the interface problems
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On December 10 2011 10:40 scriptor wrote:
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someone said that u must press esc to exit fullscreen on owned, not true, u can double click it works fine
I didn't say you have to use ESC - I said it was one of two options (that I knew of). Thanks for telling about the double click 
Edit:
Double click to cancel fullscreen does not work if the stream has gone offline.
@Puph
Fixed
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On December 10 2011 11:28 kYem wrote:
Twitch still way better, the only reason pro players use own3d is because of ads, you can choose to run 1/2/3 adds at the same time, god 3 adds actually is really annoying and takes long time to finish 1:30min, while one is like ye ok that's totally fine.
So pro players can earn a lot more streaming on own3d.tv compared to twich since you run only one commercial at a time, well at least that's how it is atm.
Actually from what I have seen, you are allowed to run commercials back to back on Twitch. I saw a streamer talking about it a few days ago. You could choose an allotted amount of time ranging from 30 seconds to several minutes and it seemed that the end result would be back to back 30 second commercials shown for the viewer.
I am not sure if this is available to every partnered streamer though.
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Own3d pays more - based on your viewership you can get something like $3 per 1000 impressions (if I remember right) while Twitch pays a 50/50 split.
Simply put, Own3d pays a static never-changing amount based on your ads and viewers - the incoming revenue is more steady
Twitch pays 50/50 but has been around forever (I started streaming in April of 2009, long before the streaming explosion) and sponsors many e-sports companies, sites, and tournaments.
It all boils down to what your focus is - providing quality to your viewers through chat and content, or providing slightly less quality (as R1CH pointed out) and loss of web-based chat (read: easy) for slightly more money.
As for ads - if you are a streamer and desire to run ads in sequence, my script for mIRC has been doing that for some time. I do not have the embedded "sequential ads" on my main page as yet, but I dont care, as my script takes care of that for me.
I will link my script download if people ask for it - it is only of use to twitch streamers however.
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