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Heart Of The Swarm: The Pro's Opinions

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wraggy1234
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom135 Posts
December 02 2011 21:35 GMT
#1
Hey guys,

I've gathered the opinions of players such as White-ra, iNcontrol, BlinG and others about the upcoming expansion Heart of the Swarm. You can have a look here:

http://www.team-dignitas.net/articles/blogs/Starcraft-II/578/Heart-Of-The-Swarm-the-pro-players-opinion/

Here is a preview:
Cloud: 'I think the expansion will be a mess and blizzard won't be able to balance and control what they are about to do. I have very little expectations and I gave up on sc2 since it seems so many bad players can have decent results by just abusing the gamble aspect of this game.'

Any feedback is welcome.

ps: apologies for my previous post with the lack of information in the OP, hope this is better.

Raiden
www.clngaming.com
Enchanted
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1609 Posts
December 02 2011 21:45 GMT
#2
Cloud's opinion is.. interesting.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
December 02 2011 21:46 GMT
#3
I wonder why there aren't any new updates on HotS. Blizzcon is like 6 weeks ago now, so they have gone through an entire new set of iterations for the new units and such. I wish they would have updates every time they did some relevant change.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
BamBam
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
745 Posts
December 02 2011 21:48 GMT
#4
Lol... White Ra never fails to deliver


White-Ra: 'I'm waiting for it because I can make more special tactics here...


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Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
December 02 2011 21:57 GMT
#5

Whether that is good for the game or bad makes me nervous as a guy who plays this game every day all day and on the biggest stages. I hope the transition is as smooth as possible but like I said, it just makes me nervous. The stuff proposed however seems pretty cool.. especially if you are a Protoss player. But we will see!'


Interesting that he likes the protoss units. With T and Z units, I'm thinking "If they tweak things, it could be neat" but there's absolutely nothing about Protoss I'm looking forward to
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Noro
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada991 Posts
December 02 2011 21:59 GMT
#6
Cloud is a baby. And so is anyone that thinks that they can predict how HotS will turn out. =/
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gCgCrypto
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany297 Posts
December 02 2011 22:00 GMT
#7
thx for posting. was looking for sth like this for a while! i like Bishus opinion. ("Blizzard will deliver")
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GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
December 02 2011 22:00 GMT
#8
Doesn't look like anyone really likes it a lot :p
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
December 02 2011 22:02 GMT
#9
On December 03 2011 06:46 Grumbels wrote:
I wonder why there aren't any new updates on HotS. Blizzcon is like 6 weeks ago now, so they have gone through an entire new set of iterations for the new units and such. I wish they would have updates every time they did some relevant change.


but the beta isn't even out yet o.o
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Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
December 02 2011 22:04 GMT
#10
I think like cloud as well. Really hope they stabilize the game and stop making it more gimmicky. Especially in regards to protoss, like white-ra said.
wat
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
December 02 2011 22:05 GMT
#11
Cloud's opinion is laughable.

Thanks for compiling the list.
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SigmaoctanusIV
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States3313 Posts
December 02 2011 22:06 GMT
#12
I agree with White-Ra he knows what he is talking about :D
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VanGarde
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden755 Posts
December 02 2011 22:12 GMT
#13
No offense to Cloud but it is getting silly how all of the mid tier foreign players are the ones who whine that the game is too random and the skill cap is too low so there is no point in competing. Unless you are beating mvp or nestea in gsl finals arguments like that are completely irrelevant when it comes to actually competing in the game. Seriously stop using how "flawed the game is" to explain away a lack of results. These kinds of comments always only come from the players who play seriously but who are never seen in the top of tournaments.
War does not determine who is right - only who is left.
hasuterrans
Profile Joined April 2009
United States614 Posts
December 02 2011 22:13 GMT
#14
Cloud probably wishing he stuck to protoss when switching from bw to sc2.
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6111 Posts
December 02 2011 22:22 GMT
#15
Wow cloud seems bitter =D
#1 Terran hater
Genie1
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada333 Posts
December 02 2011 22:24 GMT
#16
Hmm a divide in the community could happen if the game isn't balanced enough and I would have to agree with some of the pros about there concerns as it will change the metagame entirely and will have to learn new strategies that work since the old ones won't always work.
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Shadowsleep
Profile Joined December 2010
United States19 Posts
December 02 2011 22:25 GMT
#17
The last picture is really interesting with the collousus. Different attack or something.
syllabic
Profile Joined July 2011
29 Posts
December 02 2011 22:25 GMT
#18
Cloud probably wishing he stuck to protoss when switching from bw to sc2.


It probably sucks to see all these foreign Z/P having success but Terran stuck in the mud. Especially when you put in just as much time and hard work as those foreign Z/P counterparts.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
December 02 2011 22:26 GMT
#19
On December 03 2011 06:46 Grumbels wrote:
I wonder why there aren't any new updates on HotS. Blizzcon is like 6 weeks ago now, so they have gone through an entire new set of iterations for the new units and such. I wish they would have updates every time they did some relevant change.


pretty simply, blizzcon is the place where they show how far they are, other then that they don't show off every single change, they show things if they are almost finished, which is now done by doing beta testing. So there won't be alot of informations about it until the next blizzcon.
You shouldn't be spoiled from the indie devs, that will tease out any change they make. Otherwise there would also be no reason to make a blizzcon at all.
MasterBlasterCaster
Profile Joined October 2011
United States568 Posts
December 02 2011 22:29 GMT
#20
On December 03 2011 07:12 VanGarde wrote:
No offense to Cloud but it is getting silly how all of the mid tier foreign players are the ones who whine that the game is too random and the skill cap is too low so there is no point in competing. Unless you are beating mvp or nestea in gsl finals arguments like that are completely irrelevant when it comes to actually competing in the game. Seriously stop using how "flawed the game is" to explain away a lack of results. These kinds of comments always only come from the players who play seriously but who are never seen in the top of tournaments.


To be fair, I've heard similar comments from multiple tourny winners.
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