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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
November 01 2011 13:03 GMT
#15
/in!
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
November 02 2011 17:16 GMT
#119
[image loading]

Yeah that's right, I went there.
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
November 02 2011 17:21 GMT
#122
does no one know edward scissorhands lol
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 17:27:50
November 02 2011 17:23 GMT
#125
twilight heads

I actually read that book and tried to edit the whole thing. Stopped one chapter in cause my head hurt. So much purple prose and said bookisms...
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
November 02 2011 17:30 GMT
#128
http://reasoningwithvampires.tumblr.com/tagged/dialogue_tags

Not mine but still awesome
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
November 02 2011 21:36 GMT
#178
umm, you guys gotta remember what situation we're currently involved in...

##occupy/vote Team Liquid
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
November 03 2011 02:08 GMT
#258
On November 03 2011 09:56 supersoft wrote:
okay nothing interesting came up, yet. one thing i want to point out.
if you're town, save all your conversations with your teampartner. if you're getting lynched, these conversations may provide something that speaks in favor of you.
I know scum will do that, too now... BUT it's a lot of work to fake logs. and why should we be gentle with these guys?!


Yeah I'm going to have to disagree with that. This isn't post-conversation-to-try-to-make-people-trust-you. This is mafia. Let's try NOT using shit like this to "confirm" one another. I thought we already covered this topic in PYPI
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
November 03 2011 02:42 GMT
#260
I agree with you, once chaoser starts posting we'll have a better idea.


I didn't know you cared so much about what I have to say.

I'm in this game on more of an advisory capacity much like how some players/teams were like in RoL's team mini game (I also mainly advised that game).

Plans are useless this game. What's the point of a plan? Playing a dry cut and orderly game of mafia with analysis and logic should be enough. If you guys really are going to jump on a dude who posted a horrible plan outright and say he's mafia then I gotta shake my head at that. Mafia don't post a bad plan that's going to bring a lot of attention to them; mafia's not going to attention whore. Townies more often than not do that to either draw out mafia trying to seem "pro-town" (see wherebugsgo with his give me the ring plan in LoTR) or they're just really bad at making/thinking up plans lol. Mafia like to seem pro-town and post things that either agree with what everyone else is saying or lurks. Or they post genuinely good ideas that they feel don't really put them at a disadvantage. (sandroba in PYPI)
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
November 03 2011 03:00 GMT
#262
On November 03 2011 11:52 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2011 11:08 chaoser wrote:
On November 03 2011 09:56 supersoft wrote:
okay nothing interesting came up, yet. one thing i want to point out.
if you're town, save all your conversations with your teampartner. if you're getting lynched, these conversations may provide something that speaks in favor of you.
I know scum will do that, too now... BUT it's a lot of work to fake logs. and why should we be gentle with these guys?!


Yeah I'm going to have to disagree with that. This isn't post-conversation-to-try-to-make-people-trust-you. This is mafia. Let's try NOT using shit like this to "confirm" one another. I thought we already covered this topic in PYPI

NICE TRY SCUM WHO DOESN'T WANNA DO EXTRA WORK


I really hope you're kidding about this. I'm 100% serious about my point. Are we really going to try to exploit every single mechanic in place in a game to try to avoid the actual point of a mafia game which is to analyze and use scum hunting skills? Not to mention this doesn't even work. Look at Kita escaping lynch for a hilarious amount of days because of his "PM convo" with Radfield. It took me two days of setup to finally convince people that he was mafia and should be voted for.
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
November 03 2011 18:08 GMT
#291
[QUOTE]On November 03 2011 19:04 prplhz wrote:
RebirthOfLegend's team mini game was an entirely different game where the setup itself made mentor/newbie teams. You lurked hardcore through that game and ended up getting lynched as DT, leading to a perfect mafia victory.

I don't get why you are trying to shut discussion down. Nobody is lynching hyshes yet, but his plan did look like it was conceived by a mafia mind. Then you bring out an explanation about why plans are usually posted in the thread, covering a lot of scenarios that clearly do not apply, and missing the scenario that did apply. hyshes didn't try to draw out mafia by intentionally posting a bad plan and I don't think that hyshes seems like he is bad at thinking up plans. hyshes made his post, knowing that the plan could not be implemented just to appear clever. Mafia will have an interest in appearing to be good or potentially good for town, without actually contributing. This is what hyshes did and this is a scenario that your sharp mind did not cover in your plan analysis for some reason.[quote]

First of all, that game was only a mafia win because Aidnai decided to WIFOM himself into voting with someone THAT WASN'T EVEN THERE TO DEFEND HIMSELF.

[QUOTE]On January 11 2011 18:06 Ace wrote:
kudos to Nemesis and chaoser for being clutch and not thinking like idiots.

Also for future reference of why I believed Subversion had to be Scum:

[QUOTE]On January 10 2011 07:34 Ace wrote:
I'll believe Nemesis over an absent player. [/QUOTE]

Why would you side with someone that isn't even defending himself?

[QUOTE]On January 10 2011 11:52 Ace wrote:
Sometimes it's just better to think of a simple answer. You have no idea what the Mafia know and don't know their motives. Hence it's just a simple decision on who is more believable here. [/QUOTE]

Stop WIFOMing yourself. This was a really simple decision but you got caught up in stuff that really made no sense. Trying to find out who is the other Scum before getting on with the current lynch was a bad idea. [/QUOTE]

Secondly how am I trying to shut down discussion? I said the "post your team convo lawl plan" was bullshit and not playing to the spirit of the game and that I wouldn't stand for it. Palmer decided he agreed and added in the new rule, I then said that a mafia mind doesn't generally think up stupid shitty plans. Go read any number of games but especially LoTR's opening days where tons of shitty plans came forward and all of them were by townies. Dumb play/=Mafia. Where in any of the things that I just said does "HE IS SHUTTING DOWN DISCUSSION!" come into play? I'm actually ADDING to discussion by pointing out my opinions.

[quote]Then you bring out an explanation about why plans are usually posted in the thread, covering a lot of scenarios that clearly do not apply, and missing the scenario that did apply. hyshes didn't try to draw out mafia by intentionally posting a bad plan and I don't think that hyshes seems like he is bad at thinking up plans. hyshes made his post, knowing that the plan could not be implemented just to appear clever.[/quote]

Thanks for summarizing my stance and posting nothing here. Also, are you trying to say that you know what hyshes' motive are in posting that? I didn't realize you were psychic. How do you know for a fact that hyshe wasn't trying to draw mafia out? How do you know he's NOT bad at making plans? How do you know what he was thinking when he posted that plan? Have you played with him before? Are you talking to him in PMs? Oh right, you're not and you've never played a game with him. What shitty logic.
[/QUOTE]
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
November 03 2011 18:10 GMT
#293
On November 03 2011 19:04 prplhz wrote:
RebirthOfLegend's team mini game was an entirely different game where the setup itself made mentor/newbie teams. You lurked hardcore through that game and ended up getting lynched as DT, leading to a perfect mafia victory.

I don't get why you are trying to shut discussion down. Nobody is lynching hyshes yet, but his plan did look like it was conceived by a mafia mind. Then you bring out an explanation about why plans are usually posted in the thread, covering a lot of scenarios that clearly do not apply, and missing the scenario that did apply. hyshes didn't try to draw out mafia by intentionally posting a bad plan and I don't think that hyshes seems like he is bad at thinking up plans. hyshes made his post, knowing that the plan could not be implemented just to appear clever. Mafia will have an interest in appearing to be good or potentially good for town, without actually contributing. This is what hyshes did and this is a scenario that your sharp mind did not cover in your plan analysis for some reason.


First of all, that game was only a mafia win because Aidnai decided to WIFOM himself into voting with someone THAT WASN'T EVEN THERE TO DEFEND HIMSELF.

On January 11 2011 18:06 Ace wrote:
kudos to Nemesis and chaoser for being clutch and not thinking like idiots.

Also for future reference of why I believed Subversion had to be Scum:

Show nested quote +
On January 10 2011 07:34 Ace wrote:
I'll believe Nemesis over an absent player.


Why would you side with someone that isn't even defending himself?

Show nested quote +
On January 10 2011 11:52 Ace wrote:
Sometimes it's just better to think of a simple answer. You have no idea what the Mafia know and don't know their motives. Hence it's just a simple decision on who is more believable here.


Stop WIFOMing yourself. This was a really simple decision but you got caught up in stuff that really made no sense. Trying to find out who is the other Scum before getting on with the current lynch was a bad idea.


Secondly how am I trying to shut down discussion? I said the "post your team convo lawl plan" was bullshit and not playing to the spirit of the game and that I wouldn't stand for it. Palmer decided he agreed and added in the new rule, I then said that a mafia mind doesn't generally think up stupid shitty plans. Go read any number of games but especially LoTR's opening days where tons of shitty plans came forward and all of them were by townies. Dumb play/=Mafia. Where in any of the things that I just said does "HE IS SHUTTING DOWN DISCUSSION!" come into play? I'm actually ADDING to discussion by pointing out my opinions.

Then you bring out an explanation about why plans are usually posted in the thread, covering a lot of scenarios that clearly do not apply, and missing the scenario that did apply. hyshes didn't try to draw out mafia by intentionally posting a bad plan and I don't think that hyshes seems like he is bad at thinking up plans. hyshes made his post, knowing that the plan could not be implemented just to appear clever.


Thanks for summarizing my stance and posting nothing here. Also, are you trying to say that you know what hyshes' motive are in posting that? I didn't realize you were psychic. How do you know for a fact that hyshe wasn't trying to draw mafia out? How do you know he's NOT bad at making plans? How do you know what he was thinking when he posted that plan? Have you played with him before? Are you talking to him in PMs? Oh right, you're not and you've never played a game with him. What shitty logic.
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
November 03 2011 18:32 GMT
#296
@chaoser I don't see the relevance of any of this stuff you posted regarding another game, but ok. I'm not convinced your team is scum just yet. I think hyshes would be way more careful and consult with chaoser before posting that were he scum. He is a new player and that is what new players who roll scum do: they ask for advice before posting.


The post was to prp because of his shitty recounting of what happened in RoL's team mafia game.
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
November 03 2011 20:36 GMT
#320
From what I have experienced, townies get hostile and mad when defending themselves, but chaoser is an exception. As town he is generally calmer than this, and he uses reason.


In Death Factory Mafia when people falsely accused me of being mafia for shitty reasons (He's defending himself! He's mafia! Only mafia do that!) I got pissed and I pushed everyone to the edge, then mafia flipped the flames, and everyone died. And I laughed. I laughed for a good three hours. I still laugh when I go back to read that game. So your meta reads on me are completely wrong.

I give the hyshes/chaoser team a very good chance to flip scum.


@wbg: who is the scummiest team in your eyes right now?


Hyshes and chaoser.


Says my team is scummy, doesn't vote for us.

???
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
November 03 2011 20:39 GMT
#322
Also where did I get mad...?
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
November 03 2011 20:57 GMT
#325
Sound a little angry/overly defensive there, bro.


Not really. Bro. I'm sorry if all caps to you is shouting, it can be used as emphasis to some point as well.
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
November 03 2011 21:29 GMT
#327
On November 04 2011 06:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 05:57 chaoser wrote:
Sound a little angry/overly defensive there, bro.


Not really. Bro. I'm sorry if all caps to you is shouting, it can be used as emphasis to some point as well.


I doubt this when you seemed to miss my vote on you.

Why are you so hasty to relieve the pressure off yourself? Almost like you're panicking.


lol, this is death factory mafia all over again. "Why are you defending yourself? That must mean you're panicking! You're MAFIA!" Obviously townies would defend themselves/try to get pressure off of themselves so that there's not a mislynch and the focus can be put to better use. Wtf kind of logic is that...
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
November 03 2011 21:31 GMT
#328
Also, I'm not even panicking. Only 2 votes and 24+ hours left in the day? I didn't even know you voted for me so that'd be 1 vote and 24+ hours left in the day when I posted my previous stuff. Defense does not equal panic.
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
November 03 2011 22:15 GMT
#333
On November 04 2011 06:55 sandroba wrote:
One thing I'm curious about is that you took it over in this game, chaoser, while hyshes is still active in the other game he is playing. You stated before that you would be taking a more layed back role in your team, but things seem to have changed. Why is that?


I have no idea where hyshes is so obviously I gotta pick up the slack if he's busy. I would RATHER be on an advisory capacity but I would also like to help town win.
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
November 04 2011 00:43 GMT
#358
i am not convinced at all that chaoser is scum. i know it's wifom but i kind of liked his reaction to my plan to abuse the game mechanics. my impression is, that it was an honest reaction. idk if the scumchaoser would have attacked this plan like this... we'll see..


I am against all plans where outside game mechanics are used/exploited whether I'm scum or town.
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
November 04 2011 15:44 GMT
#409
What are your reads Chaoser, who is scum, who is town, who should we lynch today.


My teammate should be posting our read sometime soon. Like I said before, I'd rather be on as an advisory role.
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