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Hey, I've been seeing a few threads popping up of "What maps should I veto as zerg?" or "Should I veto X or Y as Terran?" I figured it would be better to combine it all into one thread.
Protoss players,
Poll: What maps did you veto?Xel'Naga Caverns (130) 48% Abyssal Caverns (53) 20% Tal'Darim Altar LE (31) 11% Nerazim Crypt (19) 7% Metalopolis (13) 5% Antiga Shipyard (10) 4% The Shattered Temple (10) 4% Shakuras Plateau (5) 2% 271 total votes Your vote: What maps did you veto? (Vote): Xel'Naga Caverns
(Vote): Abyssal Caverns
(Vote): Antiga Shipyard
(Vote): Metalopolis
(Vote): Nerazim Crypt
(Vote): Shakuras Plateau
(Vote): Tal'Darim Altar LE
(Vote): The Shattered Temple
Terran players,
Poll: What maps did you veto?Abyssal Caverns (89) 54% Xel'Naga Caverns (23) 14% Tal'Darim Altar LE (22) 13% Nerazim Crypt (20) 12% Metalopolis (6) 4% Antiga Shipyard (3) 2% Shakuras Plateau (1) 1% The Shattered Temple (1) 1% 165 total votes Your vote: What maps did you veto? (Vote): Xel'Naga Caverns
(Vote): Abyssal Caverns
(Vote): Antiga Shipyard
(Vote): Metalopolis
(Vote): Nerazim Crypt
(Vote): Shakuras Plateau
(Vote): Tal'Darim Altar LE
(Vote): The Shattered Temple
Zerg players,
Poll: What maps did you veto?Xel'Naga Caverns (106) 54% Abyssal Caverns (34) 17% Nerazim Crypt (22) 11% Tal'Darim Altar LE (16) 8% The Shattered Temple (8) 4% Antiga Shipyard (4) 2% Metalopolis (3) 2% Shakuras Plateau (2) 1% 195 total votes Your vote: What maps did you veto? (Vote): Xel'Naga Caverns
(Vote): Abyssal Caverns
(Vote): Antiga Shipyard
(Vote): Metalopolis
(Vote): Nerazim Crypt
(Vote): Shakuras Plateau
(Vote): Tal'Darim Altar LE
(Vote): The Shattered Temple
Things to consider:
These are the statistics for the maps. They are taken from the international TLPD, as they use these maps more and are more relevant to the NA/EU metagame. Most of the games have been played in the past 6 months, so it's pretty relevant to current balance and metagame.
Xel'Naga Caverns:
TvZ: 157-108 (59.2%)
ZvP: 128-119 (51.8%)
PvT: 180-171 (51.3%)
Abyssal Caverns has nearly no games played on it in tournaments.
Antiga Shipyard:
TvZ: 7-9 (43.8%)
ZvP: 11-6 (64.7%)
PvT: 3-5 (37.5%)
Metalopolis:
TvZ: 282-310 (47.6%)
ZvP: 275-234 (54.0%)
PvT: 197-216 (47.7%)
Nerazim Crypt has no games played on it in tournaments
Shakuras Plateau:
TvZ: 334-276 (54.8%)
ZvP: 240-251 (48.9%)
PvT: 247-306 (44.7%)
Tal'Darim Altar LE:
TvZ: 180-177 (50.4%)
ZvP: 151-169 (47.2%)
PvT: 176-203 (46.4%)
The Shattered Temple:
TvZ: 95-40 (70.4%)
ZvP: 59-48 (55.1%)
PvT: 66-75 (46.8%)
+ Show Spoiler +Edit: I think I fixed the problem with the poll.
Also, feel free to explain why you vetoed each in the comments.
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The polls appear to be linked.
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As a protoss player who aims to improve, I feel that no map should be given the veto as long as you're laddering. It may be beneficial in the short run to veto the maps you think that put you at a disadvantage, but I like it that way because it forces me to develop a play style that is more fun, effective, and flexible.
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On October 30 2011 04:09 canucks12 wrote:
The polls appear to be linked.
I think I fixed that. My apologies to those who already voted.
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When I play toss:
Abyssal (shit map)
Crypt (shit map)
Tal Darim (4 gate lol)
Terran:
Abyssal (same reason)
Crypt (same reason)
Shakuras (just don't enjoy it)
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Zerg:
- Xel'Naga Caverns
- Abyssal Caverns
- Nerazim Crypt
Feels good to finally be able to veto Xel'Naga Caverns ^^
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Abyssal Caverns is just an abomination of a map, Nerazim is pretty bad as well, and Xel Naga gets vetoed the most in tournaments, so least useful of the tourney maps in ladder to practice.
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Can someone tell me why people don't like Xel'Naga? Never understood that I thought it was the most solid SC2 map of all time.
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The Shattered Temple:
TvZ: 95-40 (70.4%)
lol, I'm hoping close positions had an influence and those stats on tal darim are surprising from a zerg pov =]
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On October 30 2011 04:23 Geovu wrote:
Can someone tell me why people don't like Xel'Naga? Never understood that I thought it was the most solid SC2 map of all time.
I think it's because the natural is wide open, 2 player maps are often the site of cheese, both thirds are blocked by rocks, and 1/1/1 is a pain on that map. I'm not sure, but I think that is an annoying 2 rax map too.
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On October 30 2011 04:23 Geovu wrote:
Can someone tell me why people don't like Xel'Naga? Never understood that I thought it was the most solid SC2 map of all time.
awful map as zerg, impossible to defend hellions and bunker rushes dont require scouting because its a 2player map
if you just veto XNC and Nerazim, you can safely 15hatch against terran and zerg on every other map, still cant 15h against protoss because of cannon rush but eh
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The abyssal caverns and Narazim Crypt because they are awful maps that are not used in tournament play.
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I play zerg and veto Abyssal, Nerazim and XNC right now; I may end up vetoing TDA just because it's infuriating to defend tank pushes below your natural.
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Did not expect the results.
I play terran and vetoed Abysall and Nerazim crypt thing.
Abysall because the middle map make it hard to push in TvZ and make for some silly half map TvT.
Nerazim crypt because the damn sight blocker in front of your nat is pretty damn annoying.
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I veto the maps based on which matchup I feel like playing. For example, if I don't want to play against zerg I'll uncheck XNC, and then veto TDA instead  .
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Poll is broken. You can only vote for 1 map.
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On October 30 2011 04:56 GreyMasta wrote:
Poll is broken. You can only vote for 1 map.
Is there a way to allow three votes? Because the alternative would be 9 polls with first veto, second veto, and third veto, and that would just get complicated. Unless there's an alternative but I couldn't think of anything.
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I'm Protoss and I Veto'd:
Xel'Naga:
Because of roachling-allins, 1-1-1, cannons and proxy gates.
Abyssal Caverns:
Because I don't like the third on that map
Tal'Darim Altar:
Because of PvP
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Zerg
I dont like any map that can give Toss and Terran a free natural so:
Tal Darim,
Shak
And Shattered (because of no good third or 4th quickly
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i have voted metalopolis such a zerg map, awful to play.
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EPT
