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Hi TL, got linked this video tonight and found it a pretty interesting and thought provoking mini documentary about the "American Juggalo"
http://vimeo.com/29589320 --Parts of this video are NSFW - nudity
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Juggalo or Juggalette (the latter being feminine) is a name given to fans of Insane Clown Posse or any other Psychopathic Records hip hop group. Juggalos have developed their own idioms, slang, and characteristics.
Not being an American myself it is the first time I have been exposed to this sort of thing. My first thought is these people are massive bogans and I generally despise people who celebrate the fact they are stupid. I then got thinking it is probably not right just to judge these people because they are so different to me and what I value. To this point I am still not sure what I think about it there are plenty of people I would classify a waste of space that do the same thing (get plastered, act like idiots all the time every weekend), at least these people seem to thrive on good vibes and letting go.
Anyway since most people on TL seem to be the other end of the spectrum to these people I thought it would be interesting to hear their thoughts.
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"Fucking magnets, how do they work?"
not surprised at all at this.
And no, it is completely ok for you to judge them for celebrating stupidity. If you cant judge people for being willingly *insert negative characteristic*, when would anyone be allowed to judge anything?
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On October 02 2011 20:56 Supamang wrote:
"Fucking magnets, how do they work?"
not surprised at all at this.
And no, it is completely ok for you to judge them for celebrating stupidity. If you cant judge people for being willingly *insert negative characteristic*, when would anyone be allowed to judge anything?
Exactly. There are a couple of things in the world which are objectively bad for the human race and life in general. Stupidity is beyond the shadow of a doubt one of them.
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It's no more anti-intellectual than any modern religion, I don't see why this is bad. Yes I went there, but it's the cold hard truth no matter how much it stings. I'm sure many people have had their runs with ICP, even I used to listen to some of their music and enjoy a song here and there for the fun aspect of it, I really don't see why we should care about what they do at their concerts and gatherings though.
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On October 02 2011 21:00 Silidons wrote:
It's no more anti-intellectual than any modern religion, I don't see why this is bad. Yes I went there, but it's the cold hard truth no matter how much it stings. I'm sure many people have had their runs with ICP, even I used to listen to some of their music and enjoy a song here and there for the fun aspect of it, I really don't see why we should care about what they do at their concerts and gatherings though.
3 posts to get religion involved. Must be a record.
And yes if they are willingly stupid then judge away. Stupidity is bad and seeing it as a good thing is even worse.
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I think that the anti-intellectualism associated with that band is probably no more than any other similar group However, on the broader point of 'anti-intellectualism', it is a worrying sign in the US where in no less than a year we have seen the shutting down of the Tevatron and the shutting down of Nasa's space shuttle program.
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As a Chinese guy looking at this, I think this is pretty stupid and such nonsense is why America has such a bad rep of being a cesspool of stupidity amongst some of my friends.
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I love how a niche site like TL which generally contains a subculture which is ostracised by a large portion of regular society is able to perform the exact same feat on other societies too
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take away the clown makeup and the fat people, and add psytrance that's just another ordinary rave or doof that you can see anywhere in the world.
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I don't really know if the movie itself celebrates stupidity, however I do have a huge issues with seeing juggalos in their natural habitat, so to speak.. But if they live wholesome lives outside of the "gathering", I'm ok with it. Festivals are without a doubt made for people to live out their decadent dreams for about a week, and then return to society with a sense of relief over the fact that you dared to do stuff that you'd only ever dreamed of.
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On October 02 2011 21:16 BrTarolg wrote:
I love how a niche site like TL which generally contains a subculture which is ostracised by a large portion of regular society is able to perform the exact same feat on other societies too
First, this happens all the time. You see minorities being racist towards other minorities in the USA all the time. Yes of course that doesnt make it necessarily "ok", but it shouldnt come as a surprise.
Second, are you a juggalo? Because if juggalos are celebrating anti-intellectualism, then that group is worthy of our disdain and I cant see why anyone would defend them unless they were a part of that group. Its like trying to be understanding of a culture that practices female genital mutilation.
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On October 02 2011 21:16 BrTarolg wrote:
I love how a niche site like TL which generally contains a subculture which is ostracised by a large portion of regular society is able to perform the exact same feat on other societies too
Except the people who make up the TL "subculture" are generally more intelligent than the large portion of society. Where as the current society this thread is about is about being anti-intelligent.
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On October 02 2011 21:22 Defeat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 21:16 BrTarolg wrote:
I love how a niche site like TL which generally contains a subculture which is ostracised by a large portion of regular society is able to perform the exact same feat on other societies too Except the people who make up the TL "subculture" are generally more intelligent than the large portion of society. Where as the current society this thread is about is about being anti-intelligent.
Surely you jest?
The TL population is hardly more intelligent then any other group. Nothing suggests this and no actuall evidence of any kind exists to suggest that this is the case.
But us being such an intelligent bunch, we allready knew that ofcourse.
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On October 02 2011 21:21 Supamang wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 21:16 BrTarolg wrote:
I love how a niche site like TL which generally contains a subculture which is ostracised by a large portion of regular society is able to perform the exact same feat on other societies too First, this happens all the time. You see minorities being racist towards other minorities in the USA all the time. Yes of course that doesnt make it necessarily "ok", but it shouldnt come as a surprise. Second, are you a juggalo? Because if juggalos are celebrating anti-intellectualism, then that group is worthy of our disdain and I cant see why anyone would defend them unless they were a part of that group. Its like trying to be understanding of a culture that practices female genital mutilation.
Whilst I don't like the idea of people celebrating the fact they are dumb, people have the right to live however they like and really if they are doing no harm to others/ earn a living and serve a function in society really they can act as stupid as they like. It seems though that most people in this video would be drop kicks though (hard to say though if you watch all the interviews). Comparing it to female genital mutilation is an odd parallel that I don't think fits to well.
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On October 02 2011 21:16 BrTarolg wrote:
I love how a niche site like TL which generally contains a subculture which is ostracised by a large portion of regular society is able to perform the exact same feat on other societies too
I think the op needs to get out more. The culture of getting smashed, getting high, doing stupid shit, saying stupid shit and not giving a fuck about it isn't exactly something that is subculture.
If you got loaded up on ecstasy, weed and vodka you'd probably be saying the same stupid shit.
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On October 02 2011 21:22 Defeat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 21:16 BrTarolg wrote:
I love how a niche site like TL which generally contains a subculture which is ostracised by a large portion of regular society is able to perform the exact same feat on other societies too Except the people who make up the TL "subculture" are generally more intelligent than the large portion of society. Where as the current society this thread is about is about being anti-intelligent.
I'm sure that's what every subculture thinks of itself. TL isn't more intelligent than the average society, it's just easier to find more intelligent people within the community because of the fact that it's a large population on the internet that promotes intelligence at its forefront, and therefore is able to filter through many people extremely rapidly until it brings out the intelligent ones.
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So what about the guy who met that brain surgeon and who himself wanted to be a doctor?
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As long as they are productive members of society i would be cool with it.
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So, I just watched that whole thing, and I really don't know what the point is.
Is it just some excuse for people to eat, drink, take drugs and do stupid stuff to excess?
Oh and to say 'woot woot'... Can't forget that. I want the 20minutes back.
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On October 02 2011 21:30 HellRoxYa wrote:
So what about the guy who met that brain surgeon and who himself wanted to be a doctor?
I wouldnt want him being my doctor. Lol
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