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On October 07 2011 01:19 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 01:15 thane wrote:On October 07 2011 00:50 puppykiller wrote:
The school I went to in ninth grade was dominated by juggalo's. To them: good sentence = generic musings * the word shit.
Juggalo culture revolves around giving pitiful friendless men a chance to be social, and slutty as shit girls a place where they can get a ton of attention. What is wrong with everyone in Society having a place where they can go and be accepted for who they are? I am not a juggalo although I do know their music and what they are about. I have watched this video for reference as well as having many close friends/ family that are part of this. I feel that people today are quick to judge things that are not the norm they prescribe to. Do you not think that people judge you as some nerd that plays an internet game? Do you know they also think you are a virgin covered in acne? Do you know that they think you live in your moms basement? This is all just crap that people to do get around actually getting to know someone who may do things that are outside of their comfort range and they base it on appearance. In American society no one actually cares about each other nor do they want to try. It is so hard to find people who want to create true friendship that why not gather with people who share one single ideal even if it is something as small as music? I'm probably wasting my time with this but if people broaden their view they may actually find something interesting about themselves and the people that walk by them everyday. READ THE THREAD OMG, this is more than a simple social group, they are a criminal gang that predicates it's sense of self-worth on the hatred of others and a general lack of acceptance. Along those lines, and as can be found in an abundance of lyrics, they go out of their way to heckle, assault, and generally disrupt the lives of those around them. I'm all for community and the forsaken finding their place in society, but this is something entirely different.
I'm not sure where you are getting your information, friend. What exactly makes them a criminal gang? What hatred of others are you referring to? ICP frequently denounces bigotry. I'm not sure what the basis is for your statements..
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I've lived in California for all of my 21 years and I've never met a self-proclaimed juggalo. To all the people who've things along the lines of '...my high school was filled with juggalos,' I'd like to know where you guys went to school.
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On October 07 2011 01:26 HackBenjamin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 01:04 farvacola wrote:On October 07 2011 00:37 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 07 2011 00:32 Excludos wrote:On October 07 2011 00:24 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 07 2011 00:19 Excludos wrote:Why would anyone celebrate that they're not optimal? Maybe we should make a group: "Us who rage in starcraft 2!"? We'll call ourselves "Idranians". In all seriousness, Those facemasks looks kind of cool. I wonder how they did it..Must be a miracle! Ok, ok. In real seriousness. I think its entirely ok to judge someone who basically admits to themselves that they're stupid. If not these people, who else?  Someone either didn't watch the video, or misinterpreted the concept behind the gathering. They aren't "admitting to themselves that they're stupid". They aren't celebrating stupidity. It's a once a year thing where people with similar lifestyles and tastes in music can come together and be accepted regardless of looks, beliefs, etc. Wanting acceptance doesn't make you stupid. Smoking and drinking while pregnant is stupid for a certainty, but I'm 99% sure that ICP and friends have never said or sang anything encouraging this. "Magnets, how do they work?! Miracle!" I'm sorry, if these are the lyrics you believe in, then you are admitting to yourself that you're stupid. (By "you" I mean these guys and not you personally, btw) I've copied this from the wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracles_(Insane_Clown_Posse_song)
Inspiration for the song's lyrics came via the Internet generation and group members Joseph Bruce and Joseph Utsler raising children. In response to both modern jadedness and their children experiencing wonders of the world for the first time, the group wanted to write a song about natural phenomena humans experience in life which often go unacknowledged. The closing lyrics encourage listeners to take time to look at the world and "appreciate the things that life has to offer". According to Bruce, "What's a shame is how people walk around blind to it all. They lost their spirit about everything. If you can’t even see the miracle in animals, then you must have never truly loved a pet." He believes that scientific explanations can sometimes kill the intriguing mysteries of the world, such has how ancient pyramids were made. Bruce admits that the song's lyrics discuss "things [... that] may not be actual miracles. They may have scientific facts explaining them [...] But nonetheless, these things are still incredible [...] and they should be appreciated." He added that the group's use of the word 'miracle' was intended to mean "something fuckin’ amazing and incredible, [... a] special, awesome event, [...] a great, wonderful thing."
The lyrics focus on introspective themes which critics considered to be uncommon in Insane Clown Posse's music; however, Bruce states that these themes are important in the duo's work, and reveal their depth. In response to accusations that the group has changed its style and gone soft, Bruce calls the song "classic ICP," noting that the group has always included one or two deep and meaningful songs on every album, and that this is just the first time that they've created a video for one of those songs. Several reviewers have suggested that the song contains an anti-science message. Bruce refutes the claim, explaining that "the [song's] concept is about appreciating everything in this world. It's not about God; [...] religion; [.. or] science."Joseph Laycock of Religion Dispatches suggests that rather than rejecting science, the song disapproves of disenchantment.
The fact that inspiration came from the internet generation kinda seems to indicate that we really only have ourselves to blame. The song is about more than just two apes trying to figure out a fucking magnet. So an author-centric interpretation of complete bullshit is the only option? A clown telling you his inspiration comes from something defensible and worthwhile hardly changes the listener and reader side of the equation, in which literally millions of intelligent people would react incredibly negatively. Furthermore, consider their target audience. If we ourselves had difficulty teasing out an intelligent meaning, than how are crackhead white trash clowns going to go about a deep analysis of a song that, on the surface, seems riddled with luddite notions. The majority of regular fans of any music would be hard pressed to give you a detailed and accurate song meaning for every track they like. I agree with you in that the majority of ICP's fanbase probably aren't sitting somewhere trying to decipher the hidden meanings behind each song, but what I'm saying is that there is (slightly) more to what these guys rap about beyond axe-murdering and Faygo, and to label a whole sub-culture as stupid or crackheads based off of a 30 minute documentary in which a handful of people out of a hundred thousand were interviewed is pretty closed-minded.
What I've been saying this whole and will continue to trumpet is the fact that I, along with practically every subjectively "normal" person I've known, have grown up surrounded by these people, their concerts, their gangs, their street corners, and their damn faygo showers, and they are not a group to simply be tolerated. Hell, I've even known relatively normal, if not somewhat outcast kids from my middle school days that still showed promise until they became immersed in the culture. The end result has been drug addiction, ostracism, and prison time, and I'll be damned if a bunch of internet personalities get on their high horses and tell me to accept this movement.
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On October 07 2011 01:30 HackBenjamin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 01:19 farvacola wrote:On October 07 2011 01:15 thane wrote:On October 07 2011 00:50 puppykiller wrote:
The school I went to in ninth grade was dominated by juggalo's. To them: good sentence = generic musings * the word shit.
Juggalo culture revolves around giving pitiful friendless men a chance to be social, and slutty as shit girls a place where they can get a ton of attention. What is wrong with everyone in Society having a place where they can go and be accepted for who they are? I am not a juggalo although I do know their music and what they are about. I have watched this video for reference as well as having many close friends/ family that are part of this. I feel that people today are quick to judge things that are not the norm they prescribe to. Do you not think that people judge you as some nerd that plays an internet game? Do you know they also think you are a virgin covered in acne? Do you know that they think you live in your moms basement? This is all just crap that people to do get around actually getting to know someone who may do things that are outside of their comfort range and they base it on appearance. In American society no one actually cares about each other nor do they want to try. It is so hard to find people who want to create true friendship that why not gather with people who share one single ideal even if it is something as small as music? I'm probably wasting my time with this but if people broaden their view they may actually find something interesting about themselves and the people that walk by them everyday. READ THE THREAD OMG, this is more than a simple social group, they are a criminal gang that predicates it's sense of self-worth on the hatred of others and a general lack of acceptance. Along those lines, and as can be found in an abundance of lyrics, they go out of their way to heckle, assault, and generally disrupt the lives of those around them. I'm all for community and the forsaken finding their place in society, but this is something entirely different. I'm not sure where you are getting your information, friend. What exactly makes them a criminal gang? What hatred of others are you referring to? ICP frequently denounces bigotry. I'm not sure what the basis is for your statements..
"There have been several incidents of criminal activity attributed to self-identified Juggalos.[9][10][11][12] Some media outlets have attributed the incidents to the music produced by Psychopathic Records. Although Juggalos have denied any connection to gang activity,[6] authorities have classified them as a gang in Utah;[13] Arizona;[6] Monroe County, Pennsylvania;[14][15] and Modesto, California.[16] Because of this, some schools have prohibited students from wearing Insane Clown Posse related paraphernalia.[17][18]"
Straight from wikipedia, and it is out of date, as Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, and Illinois have declared them criminal gangs similarly. Took me 30 seconds bro.
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On October 07 2011 01:19 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 01:15 thane wrote:On October 07 2011 00:50 puppykiller wrote:
The school I went to in ninth grade was dominated by juggalo's. To them: good sentence = generic musings * the word shit.
Juggalo culture revolves around giving pitiful friendless men a chance to be social, and slutty as shit girls a place where they can get a ton of attention. What is wrong with everyone in Society having a place where they can go and be accepted for who they are? I am not a juggalo although I do know their music and what they are about. I have watched this video for reference as well as having many close friends/ family that are part of this. I feel that people today are quick to judge things that are not the norm they prescribe to. Do you not think that people judge you as some nerd that plays an internet game? Do you know they also think you are a virgin covered in acne? Do you know that they think you live in your moms basement? This is all just crap that people to do get around actually getting to know someone who may do things that are outside of their comfort range and they base it on appearance. In American society no one actually cares about each other nor do they want to try. It is so hard to find people who want to create true friendship that why not gather with people who share one single ideal even if it is something as small as music? I'm probably wasting my time with this but if people broaden their view they may actually find something interesting about themselves and the people that walk by them everyday. READ THE THREAD OMG, this is more than a simple social group, they are a criminal gang that predicates it's sense of self-worth on the hatred of others and a general lack of acceptance. Along those lines, and as can be found in an abundance of lyrics, they go out of their way to heckle, assault, and generally disrupt the lives of those around them. I'm all for community and the forsaken finding their place in society, but this is something entirely different.
How do you know that? So your trying to say that every person that listens to rap sells drugs and carries a gun too? Judging a people by the content of the music they listen to is absurd. You obviously do not know many people that listen to this type of music from personal experience I have never felt unaccepted by the people who listen to this music.
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On October 07 2011 01:15 thane wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 00:50 puppykiller wrote:
The school I went to in ninth grade was dominated by juggalo's. To them: good sentence = generic musings * the word shit.
Juggalo culture revolves around giving pitiful friendless men a chance to be social, and slutty as shit girls a place where they can get a ton of attention. What is wrong with everyone in Society having a place where they can go and be accepted for who they are? I am not a juggalo although I do know their music and what they are about. I have watched this video for reference as well as having many close friends/ family that are part of this. I feel that people today are quick to judge things that are not the norm they prescribe to. Do you not think that people judge you as some nerd that plays an internet game? Do you know they also think you are a virgin covered in acne? Do you know that they think you live in your moms basement? This is all just crap that people to do get around actually getting to know someone who may do things that are outside of their comfort range and they base it on appearance. In American society no one actually cares about each other nor do they want to try. It is so hard to find people who want to create true friendship that why not gather with people who share one single ideal even if it is something as small as music? I'm probably wasting my time with this but if people broaden their view they may actually find something interesting about themselves and the people that walk by them everyday.
Meh i just find them disgusting and annoying to listen too.
I think the difference is that they are desperately trying to be a juggalo wheas I am just someone who happens to play videogames (not somone who is sensitive to how much of a "gamer" he appears to others). I don't frantically cling to a culture in a pitiful attempt to feel good about myself. That kind of conformity is just lol.
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On October 07 2011 01:34 thane wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 01:19 farvacola wrote:On October 07 2011 01:15 thane wrote:On October 07 2011 00:50 puppykiller wrote:
The school I went to in ninth grade was dominated by juggalo's. To them: good sentence = generic musings * the word shit.
Juggalo culture revolves around giving pitiful friendless men a chance to be social, and slutty as shit girls a place where they can get a ton of attention. What is wrong with everyone in Society having a place where they can go and be accepted for who they are? I am not a juggalo although I do know their music and what they are about. I have watched this video for reference as well as having many close friends/ family that are part of this. I feel that people today are quick to judge things that are not the norm they prescribe to. Do you not think that people judge you as some nerd that plays an internet game? Do you know they also think you are a virgin covered in acne? Do you know that they think you live in your moms basement? This is all just crap that people to do get around actually getting to know someone who may do things that are outside of their comfort range and they base it on appearance. In American society no one actually cares about each other nor do they want to try. It is so hard to find people who want to create true friendship that why not gather with people who share one single ideal even if it is something as small as music? I'm probably wasting my time with this but if people broaden their view they may actually find something interesting about themselves and the people that walk by them everyday. READ THE THREAD OMG, this is more than a simple social group, they are a criminal gang that predicates it's sense of self-worth on the hatred of others and a general lack of acceptance. Along those lines, and as can be found in an abundance of lyrics, they go out of their way to heckle, assault, and generally disrupt the lives of those around them. I'm all for community and the forsaken finding their place in society, but this is something entirely different. How do you know that? So your trying to say that every person that listens to rap sells drugs and carries a gun too? Judging a people by the content of the music they listen to is absurd. You obviously do not know many people that listen to this type of music from personal experience I have never felt unaccepted by the people who listen to this music.
Quite an extrapolation you've gone about there, and it could not be more wrong. I love rap/hip-hop, and coming from Toledo, OH I've been around all sorts of illegal activity and poverty-stricken culture, and most of the people I've known would tell you that the black crack dealer on the corner is more trustworthy than a juggalo.
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On October 07 2011 01:34 puppykiller wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 01:15 thane wrote:On October 07 2011 00:50 puppykiller wrote:
The school I went to in ninth grade was dominated by juggalo's. To them: good sentence = generic musings * the word shit.
Juggalo culture revolves around giving pitiful friendless men a chance to be social, and slutty as shit girls a place where they can get a ton of attention. What is wrong with everyone in Society having a place where they can go and be accepted for who they are? I am not a juggalo although I do know their music and what they are about. I have watched this video for reference as well as having many close friends/ family that are part of this. I feel that people today are quick to judge things that are not the norm they prescribe to. Do you not think that people judge you as some nerd that plays an internet game? Do you know they also think you are a virgin covered in acne? Do you know that they think you live in your moms basement? This is all just crap that people to do get around actually getting to know someone who may do things that are outside of their comfort range and they base it on appearance. In American society no one actually cares about each other nor do they want to try. It is so hard to find people who want to create true friendship that why not gather with people who share one single ideal even if it is something as small as music? I'm probably wasting my time with this but if people broaden their view they may actually find something interesting about themselves and the people that walk by them everyday. Meh i just find them disgusting and annoying to listen too. I think the difference is that they are desperately trying to be a juggalo wheas I am just someone who happens to play videogames (not somone who is sensitive to how much of a "gamer" he appears to others). I don't frantically cling to a culture in a pitiful attempt to feel good about myself. That kind of conformity is just lol.
If its not your tastes thats one thing but to judge an entire group based on a select few is bad.
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On October 07 2011 01:34 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 01:30 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 07 2011 01:19 farvacola wrote:On October 07 2011 01:15 thane wrote:On October 07 2011 00:50 puppykiller wrote:
The school I went to in ninth grade was dominated by juggalo's. To them: good sentence = generic musings * the word shit.
Juggalo culture revolves around giving pitiful friendless men a chance to be social, and slutty as shit girls a place where they can get a ton of attention. What is wrong with everyone in Society having a place where they can go and be accepted for who they are? I am not a juggalo although I do know their music and what they are about. I have watched this video for reference as well as having many close friends/ family that are part of this. I feel that people today are quick to judge things that are not the norm they prescribe to. Do you not think that people judge you as some nerd that plays an internet game? Do you know they also think you are a virgin covered in acne? Do you know that they think you live in your moms basement? This is all just crap that people to do get around actually getting to know someone who may do things that are outside of their comfort range and they base it on appearance. In American society no one actually cares about each other nor do they want to try. It is so hard to find people who want to create true friendship that why not gather with people who share one single ideal even if it is something as small as music? I'm probably wasting my time with this but if people broaden their view they may actually find something interesting about themselves and the people that walk by them everyday. READ THE THREAD OMG, this is more than a simple social group, they are a criminal gang that predicates it's sense of self-worth on the hatred of others and a general lack of acceptance. Along those lines, and as can be found in an abundance of lyrics, they go out of their way to heckle, assault, and generally disrupt the lives of those around them. I'm all for community and the forsaken finding their place in society, but this is something entirely different. I'm not sure where you are getting your information, friend. What exactly makes them a criminal gang? What hatred of others are you referring to? ICP frequently denounces bigotry. I'm not sure what the basis is for your statements.. "There have been several incidents of criminal activity attributed to self-identified Juggalos.[9][10][11][12] Some media outlets have attributed the incidents to the music produced by Psychopathic Records. Although Juggalos have denied any connection to gang activity,[6] authorities have classified them as a gang in Utah;[13] Arizona;[6] Monroe County, Pennsylvania;[14][15] and Modesto, California.[16] Because of this, some schools have prohibited students from wearing Insane Clown Posse related paraphernalia.[17][18]" Straight from wikipedia, and it is out of date, as Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, and Illinois have declared them criminal gangs similarly. Took me 30 seconds bro.
So several states in your country have decided that Juggalos are a criminal gang. This MUST mean it's true! No state in the US has ever been wrong about anything, right?
There is no organization behind these people. There is no hierarchy, no command structure, no website telling them to go forth and be hooligans. Juggalo is just a name for a fan of ICP. If these people are committing crimes, I can understand (to a point) why people would associate Juggalos with crime. You know, kinda the same way people associate black people with crime, asian people with bad driving, and jewish people with money.
Do you see how fucking ignorant that looks?
(Please note, I don't actually associate black people with crime, etc. etc. Trying to make a point)
EDIT: You also forgot to paste in the bottom of that article you quoted, so I'll do that for you now.
Psychopathic Records and Insane Clown Posse have repeatedly denounced violence within the fandom. Alex Abbiss, former CEO of Psychopathic Records, has suggested that many of the incidents had been committed by crazy individuals that only claim to be Juggalos as an excuse for their actions
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I have known plenty of people who were ICP fans who are not people you would call "stupid". Not all of them are Juggalo's.
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On October 07 2011 01:40 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 01:34 thane wrote:On October 07 2011 01:19 farvacola wrote:On October 07 2011 01:15 thane wrote:On October 07 2011 00:50 puppykiller wrote:
The school I went to in ninth grade was dominated by juggalo's. To them: good sentence = generic musings * the word shit.
Juggalo culture revolves around giving pitiful friendless men a chance to be social, and slutty as shit girls a place where they can get a ton of attention. What is wrong with everyone in Society having a place where they can go and be accepted for who they are? I am not a juggalo although I do know their music and what they are about. I have watched this video for reference as well as having many close friends/ family that are part of this. I feel that people today are quick to judge things that are not the norm they prescribe to. Do you not think that people judge you as some nerd that plays an internet game? Do you know they also think you are a virgin covered in acne? Do you know that they think you live in your moms basement? This is all just crap that people to do get around actually getting to know someone who may do things that are outside of their comfort range and they base it on appearance. In American society no one actually cares about each other nor do they want to try. It is so hard to find people who want to create true friendship that why not gather with people who share one single ideal even if it is something as small as music? I'm probably wasting my time with this but if people broaden their view they may actually find something interesting about themselves and the people that walk by them everyday. READ THE THREAD OMG, this is more than a simple social group, they are a criminal gang that predicates it's sense of self-worth on the hatred of others and a general lack of acceptance. Along those lines, and as can be found in an abundance of lyrics, they go out of their way to heckle, assault, and generally disrupt the lives of those around them. I'm all for community and the forsaken finding their place in society, but this is something entirely different. How do you know that? So your trying to say that every person that listens to rap sells drugs and carries a gun too? Judging a people by the content of the music they listen to is absurd. You obviously do not know many people that listen to this type of music from personal experience I have never felt unaccepted by the people who listen to this music. Quite an extrapolation you've gone about there, and it could not be more wrong. I love rap/hip-hop, and coming from Toledo, OH I've been around all sorts of illegal activity and poverty-stricken culture, and most of the people I've known would tell you that the black crack dealer on the corner is more trustworthy than a juggalo.
There is no difference in the two statements. For several years I listened to ICP I did not do drugs, hurt people, or involve myself in criminal activity. Plain and simple they are just people like me and you that listen to this type of music. Do some do the things you said? Yes without a doubt but that can be said of any group that does anything. I too listen to rap probably more adamantly than most people so dont twist what Im saying there as well.
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On October 07 2011 01:43 HackBenjamin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 01:34 farvacola wrote:On October 07 2011 01:30 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 07 2011 01:19 farvacola wrote:On October 07 2011 01:15 thane wrote:On October 07 2011 00:50 puppykiller wrote:
The school I went to in ninth grade was dominated by juggalo's. To them: good sentence = generic musings * the word shit.
Juggalo culture revolves around giving pitiful friendless men a chance to be social, and slutty as shit girls a place where they can get a ton of attention. What is wrong with everyone in Society having a place where they can go and be accepted for who they are? I am not a juggalo although I do know their music and what they are about. I have watched this video for reference as well as having many close friends/ family that are part of this. I feel that people today are quick to judge things that are not the norm they prescribe to. Do you not think that people judge you as some nerd that plays an internet game? Do you know they also think you are a virgin covered in acne? Do you know that they think you live in your moms basement? This is all just crap that people to do get around actually getting to know someone who may do things that are outside of their comfort range and they base it on appearance. In American society no one actually cares about each other nor do they want to try. It is so hard to find people who want to create true friendship that why not gather with people who share one single ideal even if it is something as small as music? I'm probably wasting my time with this but if people broaden their view they may actually find something interesting about themselves and the people that walk by them everyday. READ THE THREAD OMG, this is more than a simple social group, they are a criminal gang that predicates it's sense of self-worth on the hatred of others and a general lack of acceptance. Along those lines, and as can be found in an abundance of lyrics, they go out of their way to heckle, assault, and generally disrupt the lives of those around them. I'm all for community and the forsaken finding their place in society, but this is something entirely different. I'm not sure where you are getting your information, friend. What exactly makes them a criminal gang? What hatred of others are you referring to? ICP frequently denounces bigotry. I'm not sure what the basis is for your statements.. "There have been several incidents of criminal activity attributed to self-identified Juggalos.[9][10][11][12] Some media outlets have attributed the incidents to the music produced by Psychopathic Records. Although Juggalos have denied any connection to gang activity,[6] authorities have classified them as a gang in Utah;[13] Arizona;[6] Monroe County, Pennsylvania;[14][15] and Modesto, California.[16] Because of this, some schools have prohibited students from wearing Insane Clown Posse related paraphernalia.[17][18]" Straight from wikipedia, and it is out of date, as Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, and Illinois have declared them criminal gangs similarly. Took me 30 seconds bro. So 4 states in your country have decided that Juggalos are a criminal gang. This MUST mean it's true! There is no organization behind these people. There is no hierarchy, no command structure, no website telling them to go forth and be hooligans. Juggalo is just a name for a fan of ICP. If these people are committing crimes, I can understand (to a point) why people would associate Juggalos with crime. You know, kinda the same way people associate black people with crime, asian people with bad driving, and jewish people with money. Do you see how fucking ignorant that looks? (Please note, I don't actually associate black people with crime, etc. etc. Trying to make a point)
Why don't you fucking read the entire thread, this group association ruins lives, no joke, and I've actually witnessed this first-hand. You, on the other hand, are a keyboard warrior, quick to herald the cause of the undefended clown population and even quicker to assert moral superiority over those who have actually had to live with them. If coming to a conclusion based on having been spit on, doused in shitty soda, and having known friends robbed by these people is fucking ignorant, well than sue me.
P.S. You fit your name well, hack.
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On October 07 2011 01:41 thane wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 01:34 puppykiller wrote:On October 07 2011 01:15 thane wrote:On October 07 2011 00:50 puppykiller wrote:
The school I went to in ninth grade was dominated by juggalo's. To them: good sentence = generic musings * the word shit.
Juggalo culture revolves around giving pitiful friendless men a chance to be social, and slutty as shit girls a place where they can get a ton of attention. What is wrong with everyone in Society having a place where they can go and be accepted for who they are? I am not a juggalo although I do know their music and what they are about. I have watched this video for reference as well as having many close friends/ family that are part of this. I feel that people today are quick to judge things that are not the norm they prescribe to. Do you not think that people judge you as some nerd that plays an internet game? Do you know they also think you are a virgin covered in acne? Do you know that they think you live in your moms basement? This is all just crap that people to do get around actually getting to know someone who may do things that are outside of their comfort range and they base it on appearance. In American society no one actually cares about each other nor do they want to try. It is so hard to find people who want to create true friendship that why not gather with people who share one single ideal even if it is something as small as music? I'm probably wasting my time with this but if people broaden their view they may actually find something interesting about themselves and the people that walk by them everyday. Meh i just find them disgusting and annoying to listen too. I think the difference is that they are desperately trying to be a juggalo wheas I am just someone who happens to play videogames (not somone who is sensitive to how much of a "gamer" he appears to others). I don't frantically cling to a culture in a pitiful attempt to feel good about myself. That kind of conformity is just lol. If its not your tastes thats one thing but to judge an entire group based on a select few is bad.
do you know whats bad? shitting in a coke can, thats whats bad!
I'm pretty sure you missed my point... thats what's bad!
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On October 07 2011 01:57 puppykiller wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 01:41 thane wrote:On October 07 2011 01:34 puppykiller wrote:On October 07 2011 01:15 thane wrote:On October 07 2011 00:50 puppykiller wrote:
The school I went to in ninth grade was dominated by juggalo's. To them: good sentence = generic musings * the word shit.
Juggalo culture revolves around giving pitiful friendless men a chance to be social, and slutty as shit girls a place where they can get a ton of attention. What is wrong with everyone in Society having a place where they can go and be accepted for who they are? I am not a juggalo although I do know their music and what they are about. I have watched this video for reference as well as having many close friends/ family that are part of this. I feel that people today are quick to judge things that are not the norm they prescribe to. Do you not think that people judge you as some nerd that plays an internet game? Do you know they also think you are a virgin covered in acne? Do you know that they think you live in your moms basement? This is all just crap that people to do get around actually getting to know someone who may do things that are outside of their comfort range and they base it on appearance. In American society no one actually cares about each other nor do they want to try. It is so hard to find people who want to create true friendship that why not gather with people who share one single ideal even if it is something as small as music? I'm probably wasting my time with this but if people broaden their view they may actually find something interesting about themselves and the people that walk by them everyday. Meh i just find them disgusting and annoying to listen too. I think the difference is that they are desperately trying to be a juggalo wheas I am just someone who happens to play videogames (not somone who is sensitive to how much of a "gamer" he appears to others). I don't frantically cling to a culture in a pitiful attempt to feel good about myself. That kind of conformity is just lol. If its not your tastes thats one thing but to judge an entire group based on a select few is bad. do you know whats bad? shitting in a coke can, thats whats bad! I'm pretty sure you missed my point... thats what's bad!
What point all you said was that this is a group for people you dont respect with no rational reasoning or anything.
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On October 07 2011 01:55 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 01:43 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 07 2011 01:34 farvacola wrote:On October 07 2011 01:30 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 07 2011 01:19 farvacola wrote:On October 07 2011 01:15 thane wrote:On October 07 2011 00:50 puppykiller wrote:
The school I went to in ninth grade was dominated by juggalo's. To them: good sentence = generic musings * the word shit.
Juggalo culture revolves around giving pitiful friendless men a chance to be social, and slutty as shit girls a place where they can get a ton of attention. What is wrong with everyone in Society having a place where they can go and be accepted for who they are? I am not a juggalo although I do know their music and what they are about. I have watched this video for reference as well as having many close friends/ family that are part of this. I feel that people today are quick to judge things that are not the norm they prescribe to. Do you not think that people judge you as some nerd that plays an internet game? Do you know they also think you are a virgin covered in acne? Do you know that they think you live in your moms basement? This is all just crap that people to do get around actually getting to know someone who may do things that are outside of their comfort range and they base it on appearance. In American society no one actually cares about each other nor do they want to try. It is so hard to find people who want to create true friendship that why not gather with people who share one single ideal even if it is something as small as music? I'm probably wasting my time with this but if people broaden their view they may actually find something interesting about themselves and the people that walk by them everyday. READ THE THREAD OMG, this is more than a simple social group, they are a criminal gang that predicates it's sense of self-worth on the hatred of others and a general lack of acceptance. Along those lines, and as can be found in an abundance of lyrics, they go out of their way to heckle, assault, and generally disrupt the lives of those around them. I'm all for community and the forsaken finding their place in society, but this is something entirely different. I'm not sure where you are getting your information, friend. What exactly makes them a criminal gang? What hatred of others are you referring to? ICP frequently denounces bigotry. I'm not sure what the basis is for your statements.. "There have been several incidents of criminal activity attributed to self-identified Juggalos.[9][10][11][12] Some media outlets have attributed the incidents to the music produced by Psychopathic Records. Although Juggalos have denied any connection to gang activity,[6] authorities have classified them as a gang in Utah;[13] Arizona;[6] Monroe County, Pennsylvania;[14][15] and Modesto, California.[16] Because of this, some schools have prohibited students from wearing Insane Clown Posse related paraphernalia.[17][18]" Straight from wikipedia, and it is out of date, as Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, and Illinois have declared them criminal gangs similarly. Took me 30 seconds bro. So 4 states in your country have decided that Juggalos are a criminal gang. This MUST mean it's true! There is no organization behind these people. There is no hierarchy, no command structure, no website telling them to go forth and be hooligans. Juggalo is just a name for a fan of ICP. If these people are committing crimes, I can understand (to a point) why people would associate Juggalos with crime. You know, kinda the same way people associate black people with crime, asian people with bad driving, and jewish people with money. Do you see how fucking ignorant that looks? (Please note, I don't actually associate black people with crime, etc. etc. Trying to make a point) Why don't you fucking read the entire thread, this group association ruins lives, no joke, and I've actually witnessed this first-hand. You, on the other hand, are a keyboard warrior, quick to herald the cause of the undefended clown population and even quicker to assert moral superiority over those who have actually had to live with them. If coming to a conclusion based on having been spit on, doused in shitty soda, and having known friends robbed by these people is fucking ignorant, well than sue me.
I've been reading the thread since it started, post for post. Don't lash out at me just because you've had shitty experiences; you're generalizing about a fanbase when you shouldn't be. You have every right to be upset at the people who did that shit to you, and I'm truly sorry you had to go through that. But the majority of so-called Juggalos aren't like that.
P.S. You fit your name well, hack.
And what does this even mean?
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My conversations with every juggalo i've ever met and from paying attention to the lyrics and images in the music videos i've seen from icp have led me to come to my conclusions. I apologize for making a blanket statement that apparently incriminates your juggalo friends as losers. however I am moreso talking about the group mentality and the "idealized" juggalo rather than specifically criticizing your coke can using hombres.
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On October 07 2011 02:13 puppykiller wrote:
My conversations with every juggalo i've ever met and from paying attention to the lyrics and images in the music videos i've seen from icp have led me to come to my conclusions. I apologize for making a blanket statement that apparently incriminates your juggalo friends as losers. however I am moreso talking about the group mentality and the "idealized" juggalo rather than specifically criticizing your coke can using hombres.
I dont have any close friends that listen to ICP, I do not care about your opinions, and there is no "idealized" juggalo. The entire point that is made with being a juggalo is being different and accepting people for who and what they are and not branding them as "pitiful friendless men a chance to be social, and slutty as shit girls". Do what you want but just know closing yourself off from new ideas and experiences only hurts you.
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On October 03 2011 03:04 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 02:38 scorch- wrote:
what's funny is that 99% of the people that laughed at that "magnets, how do they work" line actually don't know how magnets work. Any normal person who doesn't know most likely just doesn't remember details of magnets that you learn in fucking early elementry school.
people learn what the effects of magnets are..
not how they work because thats Quantum mechanics and i don't think people learn that in elmentary school. i din't learn the physics till today even while studying electrical engineering... just the effects of magnets.
sad that even juggalos seem to understand more of the world than the "educated" in this forum.
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On October 07 2011 04:41 Gaga wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 03:04 Slaughter wrote:On October 03 2011 02:38 scorch- wrote:
what's funny is that 99% of the people that laughed at that "magnets, how do they work" line actually don't know how magnets work. Any normal person who doesn't know most likely just doesn't remember details of magnets that you learn in fucking early elementry school. people learn what the effects of magnets are.. not how they work because thats Quantum mechanics and i don't think people learn that in elmentary school. i din't learn the physics till today even while studying electrical engineering... just the effects of magnets. sad that even juggalos seem to understand more of the world than the "educated" in this forum.
This. Unless you're a physicist, don't try to act like you understand the properties of magnetic fields (or whatever it is that cause magnets to work, I'm just a mathematician).
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On October 07 2011 06:25 Assymptotic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 04:41 Gaga wrote:On October 03 2011 03:04 Slaughter wrote:On October 03 2011 02:38 scorch- wrote:
what's funny is that 99% of the people that laughed at that "magnets, how do they work" line actually don't know how magnets work. Any normal person who doesn't know most likely just doesn't remember details of magnets that you learn in fucking early elementry school. people learn what the effects of magnets are.. not how they work because thats Quantum mechanics and i don't think people learn that in elmentary school. i din't learn the physics till today even while studying electrical engineering... just the effects of magnets. sad that even juggalos seem to understand more of the world than the "educated" in this forum. This. Unless you're a physicist, don't try to act like you understand the properties of magnetic fields (or whatever it is that cause magnets to work, I'm just a mathematician).
No, you are missing the whole point. The point is that they sing about not wanting to know how the world works, it doesnt matter if its magnets or airplanes. Thats the anti-intellectualism we're discussing.
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