TL Mafia XLV

On October 04 2011 21:25 xtfftc wrote:
Hey everyone. Please don't be mean to the new kid in class.

Original Message From GMarshal
(NC is FLuffles, personwhoPMs is wbg)
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[03:48] <@MrFluffles> again I have no faith in "scumslips"
[03:48] <personwhoPMs> Maajid Mohammed Nazrulla [9/29/2011 3:52:08 PM] Charles Suo: it was funny cause everything Kurumi said [9/29/2011 3:52:11 PM] Charles Suo: just made it more and more obvious [9/29/2011 3:52:15 PM] Charles Suo: one of us was mafia [9/29/2011 3:52:27 PM] Charles Suo: threatening to modkill both lol [9/29/2011 3:52:35 PM] Charles Suo: if we were same alignment he wouldn't have said anything
[03:48] <personwhoPMs> does that
[03:48] <personwhoPMs> strike you as weird?
[03:49] <personwhoPMs> [9/29/2011 3:52:56 PM] Charles Suo: he basically confirmed me as town [9/29/2011 3:52:58 PM] Charles Suo: to everyone in the irc channel
[03:50] <@MrFluffles> yes yes it does
[03:50] <@MrFluffles> I like his "emphasis" on "I am town, 100% confirmed"
[03:50] <personwhoPMs> it struck me as weird too
[03:51] <@MrFluffles> scum LOVE that
[03:51] <personwhoPMs> but
[03:51] <personwhoPMs> it only makes sense
[03:51] <personwhoPMs> in context
[03:51] <personwhoPMs> of everything
[03:51] <personwhoPMs> like
[03:51] <personwhoPMs> hmmm
[03:51] <personwhoPMs> actually
[03:51] <personwhoPMs> this could be easier than it seems
[03:51] <personwhoPMs> if we just organize all the information well
[03:51] <personwhoPMs> and go out there tomorrow
[03:51] <personwhoPMs> and set Curu on fire
[03:51] <personwhoPMs> we'll be good
[03:52] <@MrFluffles> ok, choices
[03:52] <@MrFluffles> who are our starters?
[03:53] <@MrFluffles> you and incog, with me as strong backup?
[03:53] <@MrFluffles> or do you want me to lead and have you two come swinging in behind
[03:53] <personwhoPMs> I'll lead it
[03:53] <@MrFluffles> oh, you'll love my ace in the hole btw
[03:53] <personwhoPMs> I'll lead it
[03:53] <personwhoPMs> because
[03:53] <personwhoPMs> if the town derps
[03:53] <personwhoPMs> and I get lynched
[03:53] <personwhoPMs> it's not as big of a problem
[03:53] <personwhoPMs> I'm only a greenie
[03:54] <personwhoPMs> well, blackie
[03:54] <personwhoPMs> but w/e
[03:54] <personwhoPMs> also I hope
[03:54] <personwhoPMs> your ace in the hole is ace
[03:54] <@MrFluffles> forget prs
[03:54] <personwhoPMs> in the hole
[03:54] <@MrFluffles> prs are irrelevant
[03:54] <personwhoPMs> well
[03:54] <personwhoPMs> I also think leading this
[03:54] <personwhoPMs> would be fucking badass
[03:54] <personwhoPMs> cause Curu
[03:54] <personwhoPMs> will never see it coming
[03:55] <@MrFluffles> nope, my ace in the hole is the picture ver used to sign his posts when he played as ser aspi in XXXVII
[03:55] <personwhoPMs> yeah I have no idea what significance that holds
[03:55] <@MrFluffles> will town be willing to lynch incog if they think VER is against it?
[03:55] <personwhoPMs> LOL
[03:55] <personwhoPMs> okay well
[03:55] <@MrFluffles> basicly I'll be Implying I'm ver
[03:55] <personwhoPMs> good point
[03:55] <personwhoPMs> I wonder
[03:56] <personwhoPMs> why risk.nuke called me the gf
[03:56] <personwhoPMs> his post total is like
[03:56] <personwhoPMs> five
[03:56] <@MrFluffles> intersting
[03:57] <@MrFluffles> so do you mind if I ask
[03:57] <@MrFluffles> why the hell were you so defensive day 1/
[03:57] <@MrFluffles> I got a serious scumread off of you because of that
[03:57] <personwhoPMs> against Jackal/Curu?
[03:57] <@MrFluffles> yeah
[03:57] <personwhoPMs> cause
[03:57] <@MrFluffles> especially the jackal voting thing was really dumb
[03:57] <personwhoPMs> I legitimately believed Jackal to be scum
[03:57] <@MrFluffles> and getting hung up on OMGUS
[03:57] <personwhoPMs> -_-
[03:57] <@MrFluffles> and then quoting your own meta
[03:58] <personwhoPMs> I quoted my own meta
[03:58] <@MrFluffles> IIRC
[03:58] <personwhoPMs> because that was the reason Jackal used to vote me
[03:58] <personwhoPMs> do you not remember why he voted me?
[03:58] <personwhoPMs> or well
[03:58] <personwhoPMs> he actually never voted me
[03:58] <@MrFluffles> frankly no, it was a throwaway vote :-P
[03:58] <personwhoPMs> but do you remember why he thought I was scum?
[03:58] <personwhoPMs> the fact that his dumb ass
[03:58] <personwhoPMs> decided not to vote me
[03:58] <personwhoPMs> screamed scum
[03:58] <personwhoPMs> I was like wtf what townie wouldn't vote their scumread
[03:59] <@MrFluffles> a forgetful one
[03:59] <personwhoPMs> he called me scum because I was making sense
[03:59] <personwhoPMs> and that my meta is apparently
[03:59] <personwhoPMs> to be scummy and not make sense
[03:59] <personwhoPMs> so, he thought I was making sense day 1 in this game
[03:59] <personwhoPMs> just like I was apparently making sense in MLP
[03:59] <personwhoPMs> so therefore I was scum
[03:59] <personwhoPMs> (lol wtf)
[03:59] <@MrFluffles> anyway if curu flips red all is forgotten
[04:00] <personwhoPMs> eh
[04:00] <personwhoPMs> yeah I probably focused too much on defending myself from Jackal day 1
[04:00] <personwhoPMs> but honestly
[04:00] <@MrFluffles> if he flips green or blue then all my reads go down the hole >.<
[04:00] <personwhoPMs> for whatever reason I can't help but call out Jackal on his shitty logic
[04:00] <@MrFluffles> thats fine
[04:01] <personwhoPMs> and I WILL stand by the OMGUS thing ahaha
[04:01] <personwhoPMs> I actually googled it
[04:01] <@MrFluffles> I dissagree
[04:01] <personwhoPMs> just to make sure I wasn't full of shit
[04:01] <@MrFluffles> yes the literal definition is that
[04:01] <personwhoPMs> well if you think about it
[04:01] <@MrFluffles> but generally we use it whenever someone makes a strong accusation, rather than avote
[04:01] <personwhoPMs> OMGUS is when the reactionary vote
[04:01] <personwhoPMs> is solely because of the suspicion/vote
[04:01] <personwhoPMs> my reactionary vote was not based on his vote at all
[04:02] <personwhoPMs> in fact IMO a lot of scum are caught by the players who they've made a shitty case on
[04:02] <personwhoPMs> to me, OMGUS is useless
[04:02] <personwhoPMs> both townies and scum do it
[04:02] <personwhoPMs> like for example
[04:03] <personwhoPMs> I caught Dr. H in LoTR for the shitty case he made on me
[04:03] <personwhoPMs> didn't really make my vote on Dr. H OMGUS though
[04:04] <@MrFluffles> Oh i fully agree
[04:04] <@MrFluffles> yet my favorite scumtactic is to take a really strong case against me and prove its "crap logic, and weak as hell" then use it to accuse my accuser. Works a lot of the time.
[04:05] <personwhoPMs> right but that isn't OMGUS either
[04:05] <personwhoPMs> people just don't know what OMGUS is
[04:05] <personwhoPMs> if it isn't a reactionary vote solely because of the vote itself, then it can't be OMGUS
[04:05] <@MrFluffles> eh, I stretch it from vote to "accusation"
[04:05] <personwhoPMs> okay, take accusation even
[04:05] <@MrFluffles> bur w/e at the end of the day its semantics
[04:05] <personwhoPMs> it still doesn't hold lol
[04:06] <personwhoPMs> cause in neither case (the ones I was in or the one you described) does the reacting party use the accusation as a reason for the vote
[04:06] <personwhoPMs> is my reasoning making sense?
[04:08] <@MrFluffles> yes
[04:09] <@MrFluffles> but I'm going to blatantly ignore it because I define omgus howver I want, I'm INSANE for a reason :-P
[04:09] <personwhoPMs> o_O
[04:10] <personwhoPMs> bah I don't like the thread being dead
[04:10] <personwhoPMs> damn Europeans aren't pulling their weight
[04:11] == RealChezinu [webchat@cpe-75-85-124-183.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #ChezinuHouse
[04:11] <RealChezinu> am i too late
[04:11] <@MrFluffles> Identify
[04:11] <@MrFluffles> please
[04:12] <RealChezinu> incog
[04:12] <personwhoPMs> oh herro
[04:12] <@MrFluffles> third word from the end in your invitation PM?
[04:12] <RealChezinu> :|
[04:12] <RealChezinu> coordinate
[04:12] <@MrFluffles> first word is alright.
[04:13] <RealChezinu> yes it is
[04:13] <@MrFluffles> Person who PMs, first word, second paragraph
[04:13] <personwhoPMs> STOP INTERROGATING ME
[04:13] <personwhoPMs> however
[04:13] <personwhoPMs> I shall comply
[04:13] <@MrFluffles> good
[04:13] <RealChezinu> wow you really must be chezinu
[04:14] <@MrFluffles> lets get this party started
[04:14] <personwhoPMs> aight
[04:14] <personwhoPMs> Incog
[04:14] <@MrFluffles> and that is a poor guess, I'm not a third as good as he is at catching scum
[04:14] <personwhoPMs> I'm gonna lead a Curu lynch tomorrow
[04:14] <@MrFluffles> curu has been pulling strings
[04:14] <@MrFluffles> from n1
[04:14] <@MrFluffles> to get you lynched
[04:14] <RealChezinu> hold on
[04:14] <RealChezinu> personwhopms chekc your pms
[04:15] <personwhoPMs> and
[04:15] <personwhoPMs> I have nothing
[04:15] <RealChezinu> check now
[04:15] <personwhoPMs> oh wait
[04:15] <personwhoPMs> I see it
[04:15] <personwhoPMs> *strokes beard*
[04:15] <RealChezinu> although i am interested in this curu pulling strings part
[04:16] <@MrFluffles> he's been pushing for your lynch in PM land
[04:16] <personwhoPMs> one sec
[04:16] <personwhoPMs> lemme find something
[04:16] <@MrFluffles> without ever saying it in the thread
[04:16] <RealChezinu> hmm if that is the case
[04:16] <@MrFluffles> he's also been damn insistent that he is confirmed
[04:16] <@MrFluffles> thirdly there is the fact that palmar was a bus
[04:16] <@MrFluffles> because he had rl issues come up
[04:16] <RealChezinu> somone should prod him about on it in thread to see what he publically thinks
[04:16] <personwhoPMs> I tried
[04:16] <personwhoPMs> lol
[04:17] <personwhoPMs> in fact
[04:17] <personwhoPMs> when I tried prodding him for information
[04:17] <@MrFluffles> as is proven by the fact that he quit PYP:I and stoped hosting POker mafia
[04:17] <personwhoPMs> I lost all credibility
[04:17] <RealChezinu> that makes sense given he mysteriously qqed from pyp interesting and abandoned hosting his game
[04:17] <@MrFluffles> that is what we surmised as well
[04:17] <RealChezinu> how did you lose all credibility?
[04:17] <personwhoPMs> you remember
[04:17] <personwhoPMs> my spat with Curu?
[04:17] <personwhoPMs> you even said
[04:17] <personwhoPMs> I was posting too much
[04:18] <personwhoPMs> I was trying to provoke curu
[04:18] <personwhoPMs> into providing information
[04:18] <RealChezinu> yes you have so many posts i dont know which one you're talking about
[04:18] <personwhoPMs> clearly that doesn't work, at least my method doesn't
[04:18] <RealChezinu> hold on lemme check
[04:18] <personwhoPMs> my spat with curu spanned like
[04:18] <personwhoPMs> 3 pages
[04:18] <@MrFluffles> also I'm almost certain that if we dug deep enough migs case against you was pushed by curu in PM land
[04:18] <personwhoPMs> indeed
[04:18] <personwhoPMs> I kept having to clarify myself to him
[04:19] <personwhoPMs> cause I slipped
[04:19] <personwhoPMs> that I thought he was mafia lol
[04:19] <personwhoPMs> he wouldn't let it go for some stubborn ass reason
[04:19] <RealChezinu> page range? early or late in the day?
[04:19] <personwhoPMs> one sec
[04:19] <RealChezinu> have you been in contact with mig?
[04:20] <@MrFluffles> I have
[04:20] <@MrFluffles> he initiated contact
[04:20] <@MrFluffles> leading me to think he is town
[04:20] <@MrFluffles> scum have no reason to prod a troll for information. twice
[04:21] <RealChezinu> didnt you also say curu was one of the first to PM you?
[04:21] <@MrFluffles> I PMed him first
[04:21] <@MrFluffles> a troll PM
[04:21] <@MrFluffles> and he replied back with a troll
[04:21] <@MrFluffles> I tried to poke him later
[04:21] <@MrFluffles> by asking if he knew where my cat was
[04:21] <RealChezinu> ah i thought he initiated. ok
[04:22] <@MrFluffles> and got back "I think the evil Incognito took him, I saw him muttering to himself about hairballs earlier."
[04:22] <RealChezinu> do you know if mig was influenced by curu to lynch palmar?
[04:22] <@MrFluffles> no
[04:22] <personwhoPMs> yes
[04:22] <personwhoPMs> he was
[04:22] <personwhoPMs> I know that
[04:22] <personwhoPMs> through skyping them both
[04:22] <@MrFluffles> (I didn't know that)
[04:22] <personwhoPMs> Mig is basically convinced of Curu's towniness
[04:22] <personwhoPMs> anyway incog
[04:23] <personwhoPMs> here is my first suspicion of Curu in the thread, though it's only my first public one:
[04:23] <personwhoPMs> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=266305&currentpage=18#357
[04:23] <personwhoPMs> I get in a slight back and forth one liner exchange with him the next page
[04:23] <personwhoPMs> in which he thinks I'm scum and I think he's scum
[04:24] <RealChezinu> hmm
[04:25] <RealChezinu> a good confirmation would be to goad him into posting about how much he thinks he is involved in the lynch
[04:25] <personwhoPMs> oh well
[04:25] <personwhoPMs> he already posted that
[04:25] <personwhoPMs> he basically is hands off your lynch
[04:25] <RealChezinu> alternatively, we can see if he pops up to do anything today (mafia who just bussed tend to get lazy)
[04:25] <@MrFluffles> "The Incognito case can come from someone who has talked to him more than me."
[04:26] <RealChezinu> hands off my lynch?
[04:26] <@MrFluffles> setting up mig to sell it
[04:26] <personwhoPMs> he just quoted it
[04:26] <personwhoPMs> Curu has been setting up you PMers
[04:26] <personwhoPMs> to take the downfall
[04:26] <personwhoPMs> the biggest of whom, I assume, is Mig
[04:26] <RealChezinu> hmm cute
[04:26] <personwhoPMs> *your
[04:26] <@MrFluffles> notice how curu isn;t on your wagon yet
[04:26] <@MrFluffles> especially note how he has this cute case against forumite
[04:26] <RealChezinu> so how did you find this out?
[04:27] <@MrFluffles> we peiced it together
[04:27] <@MrFluffles> over the last two or so hours
[04:27] <personwhoPMs> yeah
[04:27] <personwhoPMs> I think individually
[04:27] <personwhoPMs> we've both had this suspicion
[04:27] <@MrFluffles> I was convinced the Palmar lynch was a bus
[04:27] <personwhoPMs> same
[04:27] <personwhoPMs> but at first
[04:27] <@MrFluffles> and I warned mig about curu
[04:27] <RealChezinu> it explains why nobody was opposed
[04:27] <personwhoPMs> I thought it was Jackal
[04:27] <personwhoPMs> who bussed him
[04:27] <@MrFluffles> night 1
[04:27] <personwhoPMs> bt then Jackal flipped town
[04:27] <@MrFluffles> and then I got a PM from curu pushing your lynch
[04:27] <personwhoPMs> that led to Curu again
[04:28] <@MrFluffles> hilariously enough he didn;'t back that up in the thread
[04:28] <personwhoPMs> indeed
[04:28] <@MrFluffles> and then we put our heads together
[04:28] <personwhoPMs> he's a pussy when it comes to mislynches
[04:28] <personwhoPMs> he'll push it behind the scenes
[04:28] <personwhoPMs> but he'll never take the fall for it
[04:28] <personwhoPMs> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=266305&currentpage=23#453
[04:28] <@MrFluffles> especially telling is his insitence that he is "confirmed town"
[04:29] <personwhoPMs> here I entertain that the scumslip is faked
[04:29] <personwhoPMs> where I'm like yo mods
[04:29] <personwhoPMs> how the fuck
[04:29] <personwhoPMs> are we supposed to find out anything about this
[04:29] <personwhoPMs> when Curu is using the slip as a reason
[04:29] <personwhoPMs> but we can't
[04:29] <@MrFluffles> I fully agree, that it is faked, its exactly what jackal and jeejee did in Cosmic Horror
[04:29] <@MrFluffles> and it worked out
[04:29] <RealChezinu> lol i could see how kurumi would get mad at scum breaking the rules to get each other lynched
[04:29] <@MrFluffles> and then there is the fact that the night kills make no sense from an incog perspective
[04:29] <personwhoPMs> then Curu says he's gonna get modkilled
[04:30] <personwhoPMs> and in skype later in the day
[04:30] <personwhoPMs> he emphasizes that
[04:30] <personwhoPMs> this means Kurumi knows they're separate alignments
[04:30] <personwhoPMs> and so it means he's 100% town
[04:30] <RealChezinu> interestingly if you look at nisani's irc logs mig viciously defends curu to kurumi
[04:30] <personwhoPMs> and palmar is 100% scum
[04:30] <personwhoPMs> yo fluff you think we should consider Mig too?
[04:30] <@MrFluffles> mig is sold on curu because curu led him to scum
[04:30] <@MrFluffles> I think mig is town atm
[04:30] <personwhoPMs> I honestly can't see him playing scum like this though
[04:31] <RealChezinu> i think mig is just being manipulated
[04:31] <personwhoPMs> okay
[04:31] <RealChezinu> from what i talked to him in IM
[04:31] <personwhoPMs> that makes 3 of us
[04:31] <@MrFluffles> I'm almost 90% sure he is
[04:31] <personwhoPMs> okay
[04:31] <RealChezinu> he was skeptical/pushing that I should be lynched, but when I straight up asked him for evidenc,e all he could say
[04:31] <RealChezinu> is "you are unexpectedly playing badly"
[04:31] <@MrFluffles> oh yeah incog, Mig used those same logs to push your lynch in a PM to me
[04:31] <personwhoPMs> indeed
[04:31] <personwhoPMs> my push of you, incog, btw
[04:31] <personwhoPMs> was independent
[04:31] <RealChezinu> "why should i lynch other people who are playing expectedly playing badly?"
[04:32] <RealChezinu> hmm which logs
[04:32] <RealChezinu> err was it recent logs?
[04:32] <@MrFluffles> from the palmar lynch
[04:32] <@MrFluffles> so no, not recent at all
[04:32] <RealChezinu> curu "manipulating" mig doesnt make sense if mig is mafia too. too much at stake
[04:33] <personwhoPMs> hey so
[04:33] <personwhoPMs> remember Forumite
[04:33] <personwhoPMs> going back and forth on Curu/Palmar?
[04:33] <@MrFluffles> oh
[04:33] <@MrFluffles> oh
[04:33] <RealChezinu> hmm well today i talked to him and he backed off somewhat. he seemed reluctant not to push me, but also reluctant to say "yes 100% mafia"
[04:33] <RealChezinu> hold on here
[04:33] <personwhoPMs> Forumite
[04:33] <personwhoPMs> is a wishy washy piece of shit
[04:33] <RealChezinu> first can we talk about how we are going to get curu lynched?
[04:34] <@MrFluffles> yeah
[04:34] <personwhoPMs> oh right :p
[04:34] <@MrFluffles> focus on that
[04:34] <RealChezinu> and if (outside of PMs) is there a real case on him
[04:34] <RealChezinu> and if not, how do we make one come out
[04:34] <personwhoPMs> uhh
[04:34] <personwhoPMs> yeah
[04:34] <personwhoPMs> wait well
[04:34] <personwhoPMs> IMO there's plenty of case to be found in the thread
[04:34] <personwhoPMs> but the juiciest stuff
[04:34] <RealChezinu> hold on a sec " The Incognito case can come from someone who has talked to him more than me."
[04:34] <personwhoPMs> is what you connect from the PMs
[04:34] <RealChezinu> who is he talking about her,e forumite?
[04:34] <personwhoPMs> Mig
[04:34] <personwhoPMs> or me
[04:34] <@MrFluffles> that was from curu
[04:35] <@MrFluffles> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=266305&currentpage=34#678
[04:35] <RealChezinu> yeah i know it is from that post
[04:36] <RealChezinu> but who is "someone who has talked to him" referring to?
[04:36] <personwhoPMs> Curu ties himself to Mig in almost every post he makes
[04:36] <personwhoPMs> okay incog who have you talked to?
[04:36] <@MrFluffles> mig
[04:36] <@MrFluffles> he is setting up MIG for it
[04:36] <@MrFluffles> indirectly
[04:36] <personwhoPMs> lawl let him answer
[04:36] <personwhoPMs> incog you've talked to Mig, right?
[04:37] <RealChezinu> hmm
[04:37] <RealChezinu> mig
[04:37] <RealChezinu> nisani
[04:37] <RealChezinu> someone i probably shouldnt mention
[04:37] <RealChezinu> jcarl (only one PM)
[04:38] <personwhoPMs> did jcarl respond t o you?
[04:38] <RealChezinu> kenpachi (couple pms)
[04:38] <RealChezinu> yes he did
[04:38] <personwhoPMs> oh wtf
[04:38] <RealChezinu> he responded reasonably too
[04:38] <personwhoPMs> he didn't respond to me
[04:38] <RealChezinu> hmm? he faked mute to you?
[04:38] <personwhoPMs> well okay
[04:38] <@MrFluffles> I PMed jcarl too, he didn't awnser me (he may have taken poorly to me yelling DIE ENEMEY DIE ENEMY DIE ENEMY)
[04:38] <personwhoPMs> when did you PM him
[04:38] <personwhoPMs> I PMed him like
[04:38] <personwhoPMs> 6-10 hours ago
[04:38] <RealChezinu> dropbear
[04:38] <RealChezinu> curu
[04:39] <personwhoPMs> wtf dropbear no posts lol
[04:39] <RealChezinu> he responded to me 7 hours ago
[04:39] <RealChezinu> yes he gave me one PM and went to sleep. hopefully we get more later
[04:39] <personwhoPMs> -_-
[04:39] <personwhoPMs> kk so
[04:39] <personwhoPMs> I think it's clear
[04:39] <personwhoPMs> Curu is setting up Mig here
[04:39] <personwhoPMs> who have you PMed the MOST?
[04:40] <RealChezinu> interesting note my curu PM he basically said nothing when i prodded him about jcarl
[04:40] <RealChezinu> but unfortunately i didnt follow up
[04:40] <@MrFluffles> I'm like 70% sure jcarl is scum
[04:40] <RealChezinu> hmm volume probably mig/nisani
[04:40] <personwhoPMs> dingdingding
[04:40] <RealChezinu> though nisani it was 50% him yelling at me and refusing my request
[04:40] <personwhoPMs> Curu can work both those mislynches lol
[04:41] <RealChezinu> to PM erandorr
[04:41] <RealChezinu> lets not jump the gun on jcarl yet
[04:41] <RealChezinu> we just have to get enough information from curu
[04:41] <RealChezinu> before he realizes hes doomed
[04:41] <personwhoPMs> heh
[04:41] <personwhoPMs> I can get info from Mig
[04:41] <personwhoPMs> and also
[04:41] <personwhoPMs> probably talk to both of them
[04:41] <RealChezinu> it would be interesting
[04:41] <personwhoPMs> at the same time
[04:42] <RealChezinu> for me to pm curu and see if he acts nice with me
[04:42] <@MrFluffles> oh yes
[04:42] <personwhoPMs> law
[04:42] <personwhoPMs> just tell him
[04:42] <personwhoPMs> you're coming for him
[04:42] <@MrFluffles> nono
[04:42] <@MrFluffles> that is usless
[04:42] <RealChezinu> hmm i dont think tahts a good idea
[04:42] <personwhoPMs> LOL
[04:42] <RealChezinu> make him more likely to clam up
[04:42] <personwhoPMs> you guys
[04:42] <RealChezinu> than reveal information
[04:42] <personwhoPMs> can't tell
[04:42] <personwhoPMs> a joke
[04:42] <personwhoPMs> -_-
[04:42] <RealChezinu> we must both be the same person
[04:42] <personwhoPMs> oh wot
[04:43] <@MrFluffles> try the "oh noes I'm town, going to be lynched, help me" approach?
[04:43] <RealChezinu> ooh that one would be interesting
[04:43] <RealChezinu> nice one GMan
[04:43] <personwhoPMs> he'd probably just take that PM
[04:43] <RealChezinu> oops did i just say that
[04:43] <personwhoPMs> and shove it in the thread
[04:43] <personwhoPMs> dude incog
[04:43] <personwhoPMs> how can you not see
[04:43] <personwhoPMs> it's fucking sandroba
[04:44] <RealChezinu> i have never played a game with sandroba
[04:44] <RealChezinu> but nice to know
[04:44] <@MrFluffles> if you guys agree to keep it secret
[04:44] <personwhoPMs> oh
[04:44] <personwhoPMs> well
[04:44] <@MrFluffles> -__-
[04:44] <personwhoPMs> it's just a guess
[04:44] <personwhoPMs> anyway
[04:44] <@MrFluffles> its actually GM
[04:44] <RealChezinu> i wont say
[04:44] <personwhoPMs> but
[04:44] <RealChezinu> lol
[04:44] <personwhoPMs> LOL
[04:44] <@MrFluffles> *shhh*
[04:44] <RealChezinu> well whatever i don't really care about smurfs
[04:44] <personwhoPMs> such lies
[04:44] <personwhoPMs> yelling at yourself
[04:44] <@MrFluffles> I'm going to fakeclaim Ver later
[04:44] <@MrFluffles> yep
[04:44] <RealChezinu> hmm?
[04:45] <@MrFluffles> or rather "strongly imply"
[04:45] <@MrFluffles> If things get bad I intend to sign one of my posts with professor badass
[04:45] <@MrFluffles> let people draw their own conclusions
[04:45] <personwhoPMs> what in th efuck
[04:45] <@MrFluffles> ?
[04:46] <RealChezinu> i could convince people to buy it
[04:46] <RealChezinu> by posting some IM convos with ver
[04:46] <RealChezinu> lol
[04:46] <personwhoPMs> lol if Ver shows up
[04:46] <@MrFluffles> LOL
[04:46] <RealChezinu> ver wont show up
[04:46] <RealChezinu> unless i tell him to
[04:47] <personwhoPMs> which means
[04:47] <personwhoPMs> he will
[04:47] <RealChezinu> oh relax
[04:47] <@MrFluffles> lets save it as a desperation maneuver, it has potential to be *hilarious*
[04:47] <RealChezinu> i dont have a "lets out smurfs" agenda on my hands
[04:47] <personwhoPMs> ah maaann
[04:47] <personwhoPMs> only way this game could be funnier
[04:47] <personwhoPMs> was if
[04:47] <personwhoPMs> Ace was in it
[04:47] <RealChezinu> although I do have a strange curiousity in finding them out myself
[04:47] <RealChezinu> well this game has been pretty depressing for me so far until now
[04:47] <personwhoPMs> I think
[04:47] <personwhoPMs> 100% of the smurfs lately
[04:47] <personwhoPMs> are auto GM lol
[04:48] <@MrFluffles> yep
[04:48] <@MrFluffles> I'm tired of dying day one
[04:48] <RealChezinu> nothing like taking a beating in sc2 to get away from the beating in mafia
[04:48] <@MrFluffles> and or being accused of "not being my usual town self"
[04:48] <personwhoPMs> loooool
[04:48] <RealChezinu> oh the smurfing situation in pypinteresting is going to be interseting
[04:48] <@MrFluffles> I know a few of them already
[04:49] <personwhoPMs> dude
[04:49] <personwhoPMs> GM
[04:49] <personwhoPMs> not cool
[04:49] <personwhoPMs> you multismurf
[04:49] <@MrFluffles> never!
[04:49] <personwhoPMs> fucking entire scumteam
[04:49] <RealChezinu> none of them are GM
[04:49] <personwhoPMs> is GM smrfs
[04:49] <RealChezinu> i dont think
[04:49] <@MrFluffles> nope
[04:49] <@MrFluffles> GM is playing as GM
[04:49] <personwhoPMs> isn't Ferry?
[04:49] <@MrFluffles> no
[04:49] <personwhoPMs> oh wtf
[04:49] <@MrFluffles> he just posted a picture of smurfs
[04:49] <personwhoPMs> mind=blown
[04:49] <@MrFluffles> he isn't playing
[04:49] <RealChezinu> hillariously nobody has called out jimbosilvers signing up for the game
[04:49] <personwhoPMs> actually
[04:49] <personwhoPMs> I thought about it
[04:50] <personwhoPMs> isn't it Ver?
[04:50] <RealChezinu> when jimbosilvers = protactinium
[04:50] <personwhoPMs> aka
[04:50] <personwhoPMs> the fuckin host
[04:50] <RealChezinu> yes
[04:50] <RealChezinu> but its not
[04:50] <RealChezinu> dont worry
[04:50] <personwhoPMs> LOL
[04:50] <personwhoPMs> god that'd be imba as fuck
[04:50] * MrFluffles suspects qatol is doing something with his newfound free time
[04:50] <personwhoPMs> "yo guys I'm host...I have all the roles right here"
[04:50] <RealChezinu> $50 a pop
[04:51] <RealChezinu> anyway, back to this game:
[04:51] <personwhoPMs> nao
[04:51] <@MrFluffles> yep yep
[04:51] <@MrFluffles> lynching curu
[04:51] <personwhoPMs> aight so
[04:51] <@MrFluffles> how we going to do it? and who is going to do it?
[04:51] <personwhoPMs> do I have permission
[04:51] <personwhoPMs> to shit all over the thread
[04:51] <personwhoPMs> to get attention on Curu?
[04:51] <personwhoPMs> as in just pick a massive fight with him
[04:52] <RealChezinu> uh hold on
[04:52] <@MrFluffles> yeah dont tip him off yet
[04:52] <RealChezinu> working in PMs
[04:52] <RealChezinu> might be good first
[04:52] <personwhoPMs> well I don't mean now
[04:52] <RealChezinu> to get support
[04:52] <@MrFluffles> right now curu is sitting on "I AM TOWN"
[04:52] <@MrFluffles> we want him to think that
[04:52] <@MrFluffles> untill we take him down
[04:52] <RealChezinu> claiming ver would definitely help
[04:52] <RealChezinu>
[04:52] <personwhoPMs> lol
[04:52] <@MrFluffles> rule 1
[04:53] <@MrFluffles> I dont lie
[04:53] <RealChezinu> bad rule
[04:53] <@MrFluffles> I'll strongly imply it however :-P
[04:53] <RealChezinu> i lie all the time
[04:53] <personwhoPMs> what a homosexual rule
[04:53] <RealChezinu> not really
[04:53] <RealChezinu> but you get the point
[04:53] <@MrFluffles> townies have no reason to lie
[04:53] <personwhoPMs> ABSOLUTEISMS
[04:53] <@MrFluffles> ok, fine I lie about my role, thats it :-P
[04:53] <RealChezinu> Ace inception getting in your head there eh?
[04:54] <personwhoPMs> mm
[04:54] <personwhoPMs> in that case
[04:54] <RealChezinu> as a side note, we can probably bully the thread
[04:54] <@MrFluffles> yeah
[04:54] <personwhoPMs> aww yeah
[04:54] <@MrFluffles> town is very sheepy
[04:54] <@MrFluffles> they haven't seen a real analysis yet
[04:54] <RealChezinu> since I am going to ambiguously threaten vig hits
[04:54] <RealChezinu> on people.
[04:54] <personwhoPMs> oh well
[04:54] <personwhoPMs> yeah wtf was with that
[04:54] <RealChezinu> obviously couldn't do that yesterday due to how murky thingss were
[04:55] <RealChezinu> but if its more clear this next day we can certainly use it to push our agenda
[04:55] <personwhoPMs> oh btw
[04:55] <personwhoPMs> I'm leaning scum on Forumite
[04:55] <personwhoPMs> I'm very curious to see
[04:55] <@MrFluffles> I'm not
[04:55] <personwhoPMs> how he reacts to this incoming
[04:55] <personwhoPMs> shitstorm
[04:55] <personwhoPMs> of Curu death
[04:55] <RealChezinu> lets not get ahead of ourselves here
[04:55] <@MrFluffles> exactly
[04:55] <RealChezinu> there are a lot of unknowns
[04:55] <@MrFluffles> one thing at the time
[04:56] <personwhoPMs> oshht
[04:56] <personwhoPMs> kk tbh with you guys
[04:56] <personwhoPMs> I am a little tipsy atm
[04:56] <personwhoPMs> kk?
[04:56] <personwhoPMs> kk
[04:56] <@MrFluffles> dont do anything stupid
[04:56] <@MrFluffles> I KNOW YOU CURU
[04:56] <personwhoPMs> no worries
[04:56] <RealChezinu> i hope this does not mean that everything you told us was a hallucination
[04:56] <@MrFluffles> :-P
[04:56] <@MrFluffles> LOL
[04:56] <personwhoPMs> omg
[04:57] <personwhoPMs> well
[04:57] <RealChezinu> i kid i kid!
[04:57] <personwhoPMs> I am a high funcioning drunk
[04:57] <personwhoPMs> so
[04:57] <personwhoPMs> I probably am scum
[04:57] <@MrFluffles> "wait, I don't have any PMs in my inbox, what the hell am I talking about"
[04:57] <personwhoPMs> fucking with you atm
[04:57] <personwhoPMs> anyway wtf
[04:57] <RealChezinu> no that was me saying to check PMs before sending
[04:57] <personwhoPMs> we need to talk
[04:57] <personwhoPMs> about killing curu
[04:57] <RealChezinu> k
[04:57] <@MrFluffles> very doubtful after your load dump on me :-P
[04:57] <RealChezinu> what does curu know about your stances on him
[04:57] <personwhoPMs> nothing
[04:57] <personwhoPMs> if he suspects anything
[04:58] <personwhoPMs> he would suspect it
[04:58] <personwhoPMs> based on how aggressively I pushed him
[04:58] <personwhoPMs> however, I backed off
[04:58] <RealChezinu> well he knows you were pushing for him in thread, right? or is that too far back now and hes content that you're pushing me/forumite?
[04:58] <personwhoPMs> when Palmar flipped scum
[04:58] <personwhoPMs> umm
[04:58] <personwhoPMs> well
[04:58] <personwhoPMs> I lean the latter
[04:58] <personwhoPMs> I backed off him
[04:58] <personwhoPMs> precisely to make him think that
[04:58] <personwhoPMs> plus to clear my head a little obv
[04:58] <@MrFluffles> Incog, do you even read the thread :-P
[04:58] <personwhoPMs> however I don't know if he thinks that yet
[04:58] <personwhoPMs> cause I'm not curu -_-
[04:59] <personwhoPMs> I could potentially extract info from Mig
[04:59] <personwhoPMs> as to whether he suspects me or not
[04:59] <RealChezinu> kind of. im obviously behind
[04:59] <personwhoPMs> noob
[04:59] <personwhoPMs> lol
[04:59] <RealChezinu> had a bit of time to catch up this afternoon but otherwise i have to read the thread in small bits at a time
[05:00] <RealChezinu> which makes it hard for coherence
[05:00] <personwhoPMs> don't worry
[05:00] <RealChezinu> usually closes up some holes when i just filter read though
[05:00] <personwhoPMs> the only relevant pieces aren't very long at all
[05:00] <@MrFluffles> most of it is people concluding you are scum
[05:00] <RealChezinu> yeah i dont get nisani's obsession with you being red
[05:00] <@MrFluffles> oh fuck
[05:00] <@MrFluffles> I had a sudden realization
[05:00] <RealChezinu> its pretty obvious your'e just aggressive
[05:01] <personwhoPMs> Nisani
[05:01] <@MrFluffles> tell me what do both night kills have in common?
[05:01] <personwhoPMs> could be either alignment
[05:01] <personwhoPMs> wait wut
[05:01] <personwhoPMs> they were of mutes
[05:01] <@MrFluffles> BOTH ARE MUTE. who fished for mute people?
[05:01] <personwhoPMs> uhhh
[05:01] <personwhoPMs> Curu?
[05:01] <@MrFluffles> who PMed everyone
[05:01] <personwhoPMs> Incog?
[05:01] <RealChezinu> they are both mute
[05:01] <@MrFluffles> tnkted did
[05:01] <personwhoPMs> tnkted?
[05:01] <RealChezinu> oh
[05:01] <personwhoPMs> tnkted
[05:01] <RealChezinu> TNKTED
[05:01] <personwhoPMs> LOL
[05:01] <personwhoPMs> LKOOOL
[05:01] <personwhoPMs> I WAS ON HIM
[05:01] <RealChezinu> ahaha
[05:01] <personwhoPMs> AT THE START OF THE GAME
[05:01] <personwhoPMs> LOL
[05:01] <RealChezinu> well again
[05:01] <RealChezinu> lets not jump
[05:01] <personwhoPMs> god
[05:01] <@MrFluffles> tangent I know sorry
[05:02] <personwhoPMs> well why
[05:02] <personwhoPMs> would being mute matter
[05:02] <RealChezinu> good thing to know for tomorrow though
[05:02] <personwhoPMs> they want to manipulate us?
[05:02] <personwhoPMs> ah fuck it
[05:02] <personwhoPMs> we can't really use the NKs
[05:02] <RealChezinu> naw they want to hit the sniper? (really stupid reason but ok)
[05:02] <personwhoPMs> until we're sure of this
[05:02] <RealChezinu> why not
[05:02] <personwhoPMs> well okay
[05:02] <@MrFluffles> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=266305&currentpage=9#162
[05:02] <personwhoPMs> tbh with you I made that same assessment
[05:02] <RealChezinu> i suggest that we point out this anomaly in thread
[05:02] <personwhoPMs> when I said Forumite's and tntked's plans were retarded
[05:02] <@MrFluffles> does that smell of setup to anyone else?
[05:02] <personwhoPMs> at the beginning of the game
[05:03] <personwhoPMs> yes
[05:03] <personwhoPMs> it smelled like it to me
[05:03] <RealChezinu> wait what same assessment
[05:03] <personwhoPMs> that tnkted was sniper hunting
[05:03] <RealChezinu> @fluffles yes it is quite outrageous
[05:03] <personwhoPMs> you don't recall me
[05:03] <personwhoPMs> making a stink about it?
[05:03] <RealChezinu> yes i do
[05:03] <RealChezinu> but i didnt know he was actually PMing people
[05:03] <personwhoPMs> lawl
[05:03] <@MrFluffles> I got one
[05:04] <RealChezinu> i thought it was just him talking about it in thread
[05:04] <personwhoPMs> he didn't PM you?
[05:04] <@MrFluffles> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=266305&currentpage=19#365
[05:04] <RealChezinu> dont know lemme check
[05:04] <personwhoPMs> I'm pretty sure he literally PMed everyone
[05:04] <@MrFluffles> proceeds to lead case on Palmar, huh
[05:04] <personwhoPMs> also it's fucking weird
[05:04] <personwhoPMs> how
[05:04] <personwhoPMs> Curu
[05:04] <personwhoPMs> mentions the RVS and how Palmar didn't switch his vote off
[05:04] <personwhoPMs> but Curu didn't either
[05:04] <personwhoPMs> but for whatever reason because he's Curu that doesn't apply to him
[05:04] <personwhoPMs> or some shit like that
[05:04] <RealChezinu> oh hmm yes id did get one
[05:04] <RealChezinu> didnt bother answering
[05:05] <personwhoPMs> like wtf
[05:05] <personwhoPMs> how was
[05:05] <RealChezinu> that is a good point to note in thread
[05:05] <personwhoPMs> his strongest reason for Palmar being scum
[05:05] <personwhoPMs> that they're always opposite alignments?
[05:05] <personwhoPMs> he's been pushing
[05:05] <personwhoPMs> that he's town
[05:05] <personwhoPMs> since the moment he got in the game lo
[05:05] <personwhoPMs> it's like subliminal advertising
[05:06] <@MrFluffles> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=266305&currentpage=21#403
[05:06] <RealChezinu> hes also dropped off the thread after palmars lynch
[05:06] <personwhoPMs> which is what he does as scum
[05:06] <@MrFluffles> "let me quote my own meta. Oh and my play this game is NOTHING LIKE MY SCUM PLAY"
[05:06] <personwhoPMs> lawl
[05:06] <personwhoPMs> he emphasized that a lot
[05:06] <personwhoPMs> when I called him out on it
[05:07] <personwhoPMs> although, my original argument was because I thought Palmar would flip town
[05:07] <RealChezinu> god i hate when people say "this is my meta"
[05:07] <RealChezinu> as if they consciously play differently as red and town
[05:07] <RealChezinu> ok 1) who is going to push curu
[05:08] <@MrFluffles> That is the question of the night
[05:08] <@MrFluffles> I can write up a case and post it if you want
[05:08] <@MrFluffles> it destroys my cover though
[05:08] <RealChezinu> fluffles do you want to reveal yourself or stick to the chezinu act?
[05:08] <@MrFluffles> I don't care
[05:08] <personwhoPMs> check out
[05:08] <@MrFluffles> trolling is growing dull
[05:08] <personwhoPMs> how Forumite and Curu interact
[05:09] <@MrFluffles> but I may be able to use it to get info out of curu.
[05:09] <personwhoPMs> Curu
[05:09] <RealChezinu> curu is the focus tonight, not forumite
[05:09] <personwhoPMs> does not react like that
[05:09] <personwhoPMs> to anyone else
[05:09] <RealChezinu> that is true
[05:09] <RealChezinu> who initiates
[05:09] <personwhoPMs> not even me
[05:09] <@MrFluffles> In fact let me see if I have PM rights back
[05:09] <RealChezinu> and does he call out forumite as red or as scummy?
[05:09] <personwhoPMs> both
[05:09] <personwhoPMs> and retarded
[05:09] <personwhoPMs> and he swears about 10 times more when referencing forumite
[05:09] <personwhoPMs> whereas
[05:10] <personwhoPMs> Erandor, who derps much harder when talking to Curu
[05:10] <personwhoPMs> is received with calm dismissal
[05:10] <personwhoPMs> he did this in MLP too, he'd swear more every time he quoted a fellow mafioso post
[05:10] <RealChezinu> oh hmm
[05:10] <RealChezinu> lemme check quickly
[05:10] <@MrFluffles> damn it, no PMs still
[05:11] <RealChezinu> interestingly
[05:11] <RealChezinu> forumite NEVER acknowledges curu's attacks
[05:11] <personwhoPMs> yep
[05:11] <RealChezinu> pretty strong case for "lol i know curu is faking it"
[05:12] <personwhoPMs> yep
[05:12] <personwhoPMs> kk
[05:12] <@MrFluffles> ding ding ding
[05:12] <personwhoPMs> back to curu
[05:12] <@MrFluffles> but lets focus
[05:12] <personwhoPMs> LOL
[05:12] <personwhoPMs> yeah sorry for bringing that up
[05:12] <personwhoPMs> I was afraid I'd forget it
[05:12] <RealChezinu> has forumtie PMed any of you guys?
[05:12] <RealChezinu> i have it down in my notes now
[05:13] <personwhoPMs> no sir
[05:13] <@MrFluffles> No PMs from forumite over in my camp
[05:13] <personwhoPMs> I PMed him
[05:13] <personwhoPMs> actually
[05:13] <personwhoPMs> and received nothing
[05:13] <RealChezinu> k same here
[05:13] <personwhoPMs> you know
[05:13] <personwhoPMs> I should ask Curu
[05:13] <personwhoPMs> if he's talked to Forumite
[05:14] <RealChezinu> good idea
[05:14] <RealChezinu> but subtly
[05:14] <personwhoPMs> lol
[05:14] <RealChezinu> dont say explicitly "have you gotten a response from him"
[05:14] <@MrFluffles> how long do we have till the lynch? Anyone know?
[05:14] <RealChezinu> 36 hours
[05:14] <@MrFluffles> We need to have time to information gather
[05:14] <@MrFluffles> and then swing the lynch
[05:15] <personwhoPMs> lol
[05:15] <personwhoPMs> this is more exciting
[05:15] <@MrFluffles> so say 12-18 hours of info gathering
[05:15] <personwhoPMs> than
[05:15] <personwhoPMs> oh wait
[05:15] <@MrFluffles> then push the curu lynch
[05:15] <personwhoPMs> wtf
[05:15] <personwhoPMs> that's a lot of time
[05:15] <RealChezinu> hmm no we need something more decisive earlier
[05:15] <RealChezinu> remember the time zone thing this game is just attrocious
[05:15] <@MrFluffles> right
[05:15] <personwhoPMs> yep
[05:15] <personwhoPMs> +1 on incog there
[05:15] <personwhoPMs> I can start
[05:15] <personwhoPMs> with my trademark
[05:15] <@MrFluffles> well its 5:15 am here, you people have kept me WAYYY past my bedtime
[05:16] <personwhoPMs> "yo derps this bandwagon is moving too fast"
[05:16] <personwhoPMs> move here to california biznatch
[05:16] <personwhoPMs> 2:16 am ftw
[05:16] <@MrFluffles> anyway, FOCUS :-P
[05:16] <RealChezinu> so you are GM
[05:16] <personwhoPMs> kk
[05:16] <RealChezinu> not sandroba
[05:16] <RealChezinu> its conclusive
[05:16] <personwhoPMs> lawl
[05:16] <@MrFluffles> yep, sandy is an hour off
[05:16] <@MrFluffles> I'm aware
[05:17] <personwhoPMs> ccause he is
[05:17] <personwhoPMs> braziliaaaaaan
[05:17] <@MrFluffles> anyway, focus on plans
[05:17] <@MrFluffles> who when and how
[05:17] <personwhoPMs> I will
[05:17] <personwhoPMs> unvote
[05:17] <RealChezinu> actually thats not true, since there are brazilian time zones that overlap with EST
[05:17] <RealChezinu> but ok
[05:17] <personwhoPMs> by saying
[05:17] <personwhoPMs> yo townies not comfortable with this lynch, bandwagon too fast yo
[05:17] <RealChezinu> hmm no
[05:17] <RealChezinu> well
[05:18] <RealChezinu> lets think first. if there was one person who has thread presence that we can get on our sie
[05:18] <RealChezinu> who is it
[05:18] <personwhoPMs> not Mig
[05:18] <@MrFluffles> no, when we move against it it has to be a solid case, not a this lynch is bad, but take this MUCH BETTER lynch
[05:18] <RealChezinu> fluffles has been in enough contact with Mig to be able to persuade him?
[05:18] <@MrFluffles> noooo
[05:18] <personwhoPMs> I don't think
[05:18] <personwhoPMs> Mig
[05:18] <@MrFluffles> We have like 4 pms
[05:18] <personwhoPMs> will be persuaded
[05:18] <@MrFluffles> Mig is deadset
[05:18] <personwhoPMs> of Curu's scumminess
[05:18] <personwhoPMs> seriously
[05:19] <personwhoPMs> I have talked to Mig a fair amount
[05:19] <@MrFluffles> to convince mig we need to have curu caught
[05:19] <RealChezinu> when i talked to him, he backed down. he isnt convinced im red. hes convinced theres nobody better to lynch
[05:19] <personwhoPMs> like 2-3 hours on skype yesterday
[05:19] <personwhoPMs> well that's balls
[05:19] <personwhoPMs> umm
[05:19] <RealChezinu> hmm ok well lets knock of mig then
[05:19] <personwhoPMs> wtf
[05:19] <personwhoPMs> no one else in this town
[05:20] <personwhoPMs> is useful
[05:20] <personwhoPMs> who are we gonna use, sinani?
[05:20] <RealChezinu> well part 1 is we need to get the stupid votes off of wbg/me
[05:20] <personwhoPMs> kenpachi?
[05:20] <personwhoPMs> rofl
[05:20] <RealChezinu> since it seems like the lynch is lining up that way
[05:20] <RealChezinu> the thing is, we don't necessarily have to use someone we trust
[05:20] <personwhoPMs> lol
[05:20] <personwhoPMs> use Forumite
[05:20] <RealChezinu> getting someone to agree with our wagon and convincing them to push in the thrad
[05:20] <RealChezinu> can give us more information
[05:21] <@MrFluffles> thing is if we tip off the wrong person, Curu will know
[05:21] <personwhoPMs> k well
[05:21] <personwhoPMs> right
[05:21] <RealChezinu> id say dont use forumite, but we should prod forumite about curu
[05:21] <personwhoPMs> if we tip off scum
[05:21] <personwhoPMs> and stupid townies
[05:21] <personwhoPMs> so
[05:21] <personwhoPMs> that pretty much rules out almost everyone
[05:21] <personwhoPMs> let's tell Dropbear?
[05:21] <personwhoPMs> he believes I'm innocent
[05:21] <RealChezinu> that could work
[05:21] <personwhoPMs> I can do that
[05:21] <RealChezinu> jcarl?
[05:21] <personwhoPMs> jcarl is like
[05:21] <personwhoPMs> uhhh
[05:21] <personwhoPMs> I dunno
[05:21] <personwhoPMs> 50/50
[05:22] <personwhoPMs> GM thinks he's scum
[05:22] <RealChezinu> hmm i earlier had him down as town because he is the 4th vote on palmar
[05:22] <personwhoPMs> wow wtf just look at that town list
[05:23] <RealChezinu> when it could have gone to wbg/jackal
[05:23] <RealChezinu> but if it is a bus that goes out the window
[05:23] <personwhoPMs> supersoft is in this game?
[05:23] <personwhoPMs> what in the hell?
[05:23] <personwhoPMs> Lucidity too?
[05:23] <personwhoPMs> Jesus Christ where are these guys
[05:23] <RealChezinu> lol did you even read my pm?
[05:23] <personwhoPMs> I did
[05:23] <RealChezinu> like i was saying, 8 people are dominating the thread
[05:24] <personwhoPMs> but it didn't sink in
[05:24] <RealChezinu> kk
[05:24] <RealChezinu> focus
[05:24] <personwhoPMs> wow fuck
[05:24] <personwhoPMs> kk so we can pretty much throw out
[05:24] <personwhoPMs> the notion that we can "trust" townies
[05:24] <personwhoPMs> other than perhaps DB
[05:25] <RealChezinu> once it becomes clear that NotChezinu/Wherebugsgo/Incognito are working together in the thread, everyone will be baffled
[05:25] <RealChezinu> such an unlikely trio
[05:25] <personwhoPMs> has to be scum
[05:25] <personwhoPMs> lol jk
[05:25] <personwhoPMs> well actually
[05:25] <personwhoPMs> if you think about it
[05:25] <personwhoPMs> they straight up could paint us as scum
[05:25] <personwhoPMs> till one of us dies of course
[05:25] <RealChezinu> who
[05:25] <RealChezinu> nobody else is active enough
[05:25] <RealChezinu> except mig
[05:25] <RealChezinu> and maybe curu
[05:25] <personwhoPMs> Curu/Mig
[05:26] <RealChezinu> i threaten vig shot
[05:26] <RealChezinu> silence
[05:26] <personwhoPMs> wtf how lol
[05:26] <RealChezinu> thing is, forumite/jackal already fake snipered so that kinda decreases the impact
[05:26] <RealChezinu> well mig already knows i have a vig
[05:26] <personwhoPMs> I'm not following
[05:26] <personwhoPMs> sinani?
[05:27] <RealChezinu> the vig is not mute
[05:27] <personwhoPMs> wtf kind of bastard modding is this
[05:27] <RealChezinu> dont you read the PMs i send you?
[05:27] <RealChezinu> :|
[05:27] <personwhoPMs> the OP clearly states the sniper is always mute
[05:27] <RealChezinu> you know there are two types of vigs yes?
[05:27] <RealChezinu> *facepalm
[05:27] <personwhoPMs> no
[05:27] <RealChezinu> BLU spy
[05:27] <personwhoPMs> well
[05:27] <personwhoPMs> other than scum vig
[05:27] <RealChezinu> two shot vig
[05:28] <personwhoPMs> wtf
[05:28] <RealChezinu> but if he hits town on his first shot
[05:28] <RealChezinu> loses his second
[05:28] <RealChezinu> and becomes mute
[05:28] <personwhoPMs> okay this is not the first time
[05:28] <personwhoPMs> I've misread the OP
[05:28] <personwhoPMs> brb
[05:28] <personwhoPMs> oh lol guess I did miss that
[05:29] <RealChezinu> ok should i contact forumite/curu
[05:29] <RealChezinu> or should wbg?
[05:29] <personwhoPMs> well fuck me sideways with a lunchbox
[05:29] <personwhoPMs> let's define the purpose
[05:29] <personwhoPMs> of contacting them first
[05:29] <personwhoPMs> gain info?
[05:30] <@MrFluffles> yes
[05:30] <@MrFluffles> we need stuff to use post flip and to accuse them
[05:31] <RealChezinu> mostly we need to disguise our lynch of Curu long enough to get forumite to defend him not knowing he is doomed
[05:31] <RealChezinu> defend/cast doubt
[05:31] <personwhoPMs> k
[05:31] <RealChezinu> the problem is forumite isnt responding to PMs
[05:31] <RealChezinu> so 1) we need to ask Curu if hes been in contact with forumite
[05:32] <personwhoPMs> I can do that
[05:32] <personwhoPMs> but I need an idea
[05:32] <RealChezinu> this request should come from the preson with the most + points with curu
[05:32] <personwhoPMs> that's probably me
[05:32] <RealChezinu> ok
[05:32] <RealChezinu> you'll need an excuse
[05:33] <RealChezinu> does curu think you're red?
[05:33] <personwhoPMs> hmm
[05:33] <personwhoPMs> ?
[05:34] <RealChezinu> nvm
[05:34] <personwhoPMs> I could ask him
[05:34] <RealChezinu> hmm so do you think curu complaining about "if Palmar flips green, curu is red" is all a show?
[05:34] <RealChezinu> (mid day1)
[05:35] <RealChezinu> err i dont know when it was anymore lol
[05:35] <personwhoPMs> wait wait
[05:35] <personwhoPMs> what
[05:35] <RealChezinu> when you were attacking curu
[05:35] <personwhoPMs> you're saying I should ask
[05:35] <personwhoPMs> Forumite this?
[05:35] <RealChezinu> no im saying
[05:35] <RealChezinu> is curu faking this rage
[05:35] <personwhoPMs> yes
[05:36] <RealChezinu> ok i'll stop asking questions now and examine it more later
[05:36] <RealChezinu> plans now
[05:36] <personwhoPMs> kk so
[05:36] <personwhoPMs> we need to get Curu
[05:36] <personwhoPMs> to talk about Forumite
[05:36] <RealChezinu> Hi, I've noticed you share my suspicion of Forumite. Have you been in contact with him or have any PM evidence from him?
[05:37] <personwhoPMs> yo curu, I don't really know who to ask
[05:37] <personwhoPMs> since the rest of the town is completely derp
[05:37] <@MrFluffles> "since you are basically confirmed town"
[05:37] <personwhoPMs> but I can obviously trust you and Mig
[05:37] <personwhoPMs> so
[05:37] <personwhoPMs> do you think Forumite is scum?
[05:37] <personwhoPMs> have to you talked to him at all?
[05:38] <personwhoPMs> ehehehehe
[05:38] <RealChezinu> uh
[05:38] <personwhoPMs> fuckin sneaky
[05:38] <RealChezinu> only ask one of those questions
[05:38] <RealChezinu> you dont want him to answer one and dodge the other
[05:38] <personwhoPMs> alright
[05:38] <personwhoPMs> so maybe this
[05:38] <RealChezinu> (which is likely even if he has nothing to hide)
[05:38] <personwhoPMs> take the scum part out
[05:38] <personwhoPMs> and I'll just ask him
[05:38] <personwhoPMs> if he's been in contact with forumite
[05:38] <RealChezinu> insinuate that he thinks forumite is suspicious
[05:38] <RealChezinu> since its pretty obvious from the thread
[05:38] <personwhoPMs> k
[05:39] <personwhoPMs> alright
[05:39] <personwhoPMs> yeah instead of asking him I'll just force it on him lol
[05:39] <personwhoPMs> alright
[05:39] <personwhoPMs> god this is awesome
[05:39] <RealChezinu> hmm are you sure saying town is derp is the best idea?
[05:39] <RealChezinu> you obviously know who to ask
[05:39] <personwhoPMs> yes
[05:40] <personwhoPMs> he HATES town derps
[05:40] <RealChezinu> dont have to be so modest about it
[05:40] <@MrFluffles> that seems very WBG
[05:40] <personwhoPMs> and yes
[05:40] <personwhoPMs> I also
[05:40] <personwhoPMs> fucking hate town derps
[05:40] <RealChezinu> then be more forceful
[05:40] <personwhoPMs> k
[05:40] <RealChezinu> dont say you dont know who to ask
[05:41] <RealChezinu> just say "lol this town is derp, fortunately i can trust you since you are basically confirmed town. , I've noticed you share my suspicion on Forumite. Have you been in contact with him or have any PM evidence from him?"
[05:41] <personwhoPMs> yo so since the entire town is full of fucking derps I figure I'd ask you since you're actually competent, likely to be town, and share my suspicion of Forumite. you PMed him or anything?"
[05:41] <personwhoPMs> hmmm
[05:41] <personwhoPMs> it sounds a tad too artificial
[05:41] <personwhoPMs> like I want to include
[05:41] <@MrFluffles> seems forced
[05:41] <personwhoPMs> the "I think you're town" somehow
[05:42] <personwhoPMs> but
[05:42] <personwhoPMs> that makes it come off unnatural
[05:42] <@MrFluffles> if you were writing to me, what would you say
[05:42] <personwhoPMs> to you I'd probably omit the derps
[05:42] <personwhoPMs> but
[05:42] <personwhoPMs> to Curu
[05:42] <personwhoPMs> I'd include it
[05:42] <personwhoPMs> idk if that makes sense

Original Message From Curu:
I have my doubts on if Incognito can really be -this- bad and apparent as scum that Kenpachi, Nisani, and sinani even vote for him.

I see your case on jcarl, only commenting on Palmar's random vote (and not anyone else's) and then a lot of trying to paint WBG/Palmar as Townies going against each other, if Forumite and WBG are both Town I would say there's a very very high probability jcarl is scum.

I was considering it earlier but my thoughts that Forumite is scum made jcarl look better. Mig considers Forumite just being derp Town though and he does a better job recognizing that than me so I'm still considering.

Original Message From Incognito:

Original Message From xtfftc:
Great, thanks a lot.

If it'd be more convenient to you, you can email them to isitfallacy at gmail dot com or use IRC (I'm xtfftc@QuakeNet) or upload them on bayfiles.com or whatever ^^