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And so the quest begins. | ||
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But while I'm on the topic of pure speculation, I believe the ring belongs to someone in the town or a neutral faction. It seems to make sense balance-wise and lore-wise. It starts off with the hobbits, a good faction. Sadly any game with items seems to get sidetracked into pointless discussion. For now, if you have the ring, congrats. Don't give it up and don't reveal yourself. Nice bandwagon you got started there chaoser. I don't agree with it but hey, pressure is pressure. | ||
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On September 17 2011 09:19 kitaman27 wrote: The only reason someone should consider passing off the ring is if they strongly suspect they are going to get hit or right before a lynch. In addition to giving it to someone that they think is town, they also need to make sure that person is safe from hits. Once the ring falls into scum hands, its pretty likely that its going to stay there unless there is a vig shot or something. If you do pass off the ring at some point, you can probably claim since there is a strong likelihood that the first person to get it is town like DrH mentioned. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some alternate win conditions attempting to obtain the ring. Also, curu mentioned earlier that he could rebalance the setup with 25/26 rather than 30, so that probably means there is a 4:1 scum ratio. Finally: ##Vote raynpelikoneet No. No. Do not claim if you have the ring unless you want to die. | ||
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On September 17 2011 09:37 kitaman27 wrote: I think you misread what I said. I said that the ring holder should only claim if he decided he needed to pass it off or had a role requiring him to pass it. That I did. Apologies. And you're right. Once the mafia have the ring, it's theirs forever unless we have a hero vigi shot since mafia about to be lynched can pass it off. Will we be notified if the ring changes hands either through giving it away or death? | ||
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On September 17 2011 09:51 Pyo wrote: wait, what? Did I miss something? Do we know what the ring even does, besides make everyone want it? I don't know know what it does, but I want it really bad. On another note, Radfield what's up with your vote? | ||
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On September 17 2011 09:55 heist wrote: I don't know know what it does, but I want it really bad. On another note, Radfield what's up with your vote? I think i was reading JeeJee's post when I wrote this. I totally meant kita. | ||
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On September 17 2011 09:33 Vain wrote: How the fuck is that a reason? On September 17 2011 21:25 Vain wrote: So you mean we should get 2 targets and let scum decide who gets the lynch? Sounds like a plan These kind of posts are exactly what we can't allow to just slide by. You are just posting aggressive little one-liners that aren't exactly contributing much to town discussion. If you disagree with someone, I would ask that you flesh out your ideas more and provide your thoughts on specific players. As a side note, the reason we want at least two majority candidates is it forces everyone to make a choice. If we have just one easy target everyone votes for, we will gain absolutely no information based on the lynch since everyone voted the same. Being forced to choose creates liability and patterns will start to emerge that can be worked with. If the situation is 1 townie and 1 scum on the chopping block, and the mafia try to swing majority votes for the townie, that's a lot of information that we can use. | ||
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On September 17 2011 10:23 Navillus wrote: God @#$% it I have now rolled VT in literally every &*!@ing game that had it that I have played in >:[ anyways if Drazerk gets to vote people with little to no justification then I do too ##Vote Drazerk Claiming your role hours into the game is the single most suspicious thing anyone has done this game. Not only is this your very first post into the game, but you also start off with a very early vote. Let's place this in conjunction with your latest post. On September 18 2011 02:11 Navillus wrote: 6th game != learned anything in 1-5, esp. cause I died really quickly in some and wasn't paying that much attention to most of them so I couldn't really learn. Also you're either lying about looking through my games, or just didn't really try, cause last game I played I opened with basically the same line, a complaint about getting VT yet again (I think it was cosmic horror, if not it was 2 games ago in werewolves but I'm pretty sure it was cosmic horror.) As to my thoughts, I'm even more skeptical on Drazerk, I had figured that that first vote was pressure, and from what I know Dr. H is a very good vet player so I figured that's exactly what he was doing when he added his vote on, but Drazerk isn't as good as Dr. H, I could see him being scum and thinking that they could actually get a wagon going, then what made me more suspicious is that he completely ducks my vote and instead attacks me. Your original claim for voting for Drazerk is that he had no justification. Yet now you admit that you knew exactly what DrH and Drazerk were trying to do: create pressure. But you feel the need to start your game off by voting for one of them. It's a safe and easy vote at the time but now there is clear contradiction between your reasoning then and your justifications now. Your entire response to people (one of whom is Drazerk) calling you out on claiming so early is troubling to me. You claim over and over to be inexperienced and you start attacking those that called you out, namely Drazerk. Furthermore, your reasoning for attacking Drazerk is a little troubling. So... if I understand correctly, DrH and Drazerk do the exact same thing, but one is a vet townie and one is scummy? Based purely on how you good you think they are? You also provide additional justification in saying he attacked you. He never attacked you, he called you out for claiming VT. I can believe you made a mistake, but your reactions so far to being challenged is one that I find highly suspicious. | ||
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On September 18 2011 02:40 Jackal58 wrote: That was to Heist. His proposal is so pro mafia it's not even funny. It's none worse in having two townies closely leading the vote and one townie a clear frontrunner. Obviously it's not the ideal situation to find oneself in and that's why we all work tirelessly to make sure this doesn't happen. If two townies are leading the votes, town is doing something wrong. | ||
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On September 18 2011 03:34 OriginalName wrote: Im 99% sure DrH is not doing the exact same thing as Drazerk to begin with... They both placed a pressure vote purely based on Greymist asking for the ring. | ||
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WBG, DrH, and Drazerk are terrible lynches right now. WBG is definitely the easy lynch right now and most likely NOT SCUM. DrH is arguably one of the most active and most town player we have right now. Frankly, the justifications for Drazerk are weak, really really weak. However without much better alternative, I'm liking Syllogism's plan for now. No more lurking from those that could be such an asset to the town. I will go ahead and double that pressure. ##Vote: Jackal58 | ||
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On September 18 2011 21:25 Jackal58 wrote: My vote is going on Bugs. Having played a couple of games with him now I know he is aggressive as town. He has not trolled any games to this point. His activity level is the same but his style is different. I don't believe he is mafia but I do believe he is 3rd party with a separate win condition from town. Right now I see two options for him. Lynch him or give him the ring and see what happens. If he and the ring leave the game that is probably not a bad thing. If we lynch him and the ring stays in the game that's probably not quite as optimal but still not a bad thing. Worse case scenario is they are both still here tomorrow. If you have the ring give it to Bugs. I can't believe that will end the game. The ring is inherently evil anyways. Other than Bugs the only person that has struck me as off is Heist. I'm more sure of Bugs not being town than I am of Heist being scum so Bugs is getting my vote. How are the only two options to either kill him or give in to his wish? Let's not give him anything just yet and let's not kill one of our most active players. I can't believe people are voting for someone they think is not mafia (not necessarily town). I'm more sure of WBG not being mafia than anything else at this point. Ask yourselves: if the majority feels he's a third party why is he our leading lynch? Has he shown anything that is harming the town? At worse, he's spamming requests for the ring. One reason that keeps cropping up is "I don't want to deal with his posting, I'm going to vote for him." Unacceptable. If he gets lynched, and he flips 3rd party (the most likely scenario) that's 'pats on the back' for mafia and 'eh whatever shrugs' from town. Yeah, it's not hugely detrimental but it's a waste of a day 1 lynch. With the majority divided between WBG and prplhz, I know who I'm voting for. | ||
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Mafia: Let's lynch so and so. Mainly the vets with a lot of town cred. DrH: NO. We're getting that ^%$& WBG out of this game. Mafia: But.. people are really divided over his play and we could get him as an easy lyn- DrH: NO. Obey Sauron. Mr. Jackal, I've been waiting for a post after your many not so subtle comments about what you think of me. On September 21 2011 01:30 Jackal58 wrote: Mr. Heist First post. Let's quell discussion. Clearly pushing for two bandwagons is a scum play. I don't care who you are or how you slice it at the end of the day we want one candidate. Not two. We don't want to look to see who hammered the townie. We want to prevent that from happening. His proposal screams "Let's get two players wagoned so me and my buddies can hide all over the place. This syntax bothers me. Defense on DrH and an OMGUS on me. Realizes I am most likely not going to get lynched. Changes to Prplhz but likes Erandorr better. But likes both townies better than a possible 3rd party. This guy is scum. 1. Let's quell useless discussion. Filtering through some of DrH's post, what does he do but start off the game trying to get people distracted by LOTR lore. Yes, not a terribly useful first post, but in no way do I want everyone to stop talking. 2. A misunderstanding. A lot of one-liners tend to happen if there is a misread. I stand by what I said about lynch candidates. You say my supposed goal is to let my mafia buddies hide all over the place as opposed to...hiding in one place comfortably with an easy lynch? I'm not asking we artificially disregard a really illuminating analysis fingerpointing someone as likely mafia just to have two bandwagons. Just don't settle for a "ehh" lynch simply to disallow multiple bandwagons. 3. Syntax. OK. What does it mean that I used both 'we' and 'town' in the same paragraph? townies led to town. That's just how it ran in my mind. 4. I defended a lot of people there. Ya it sucks that one of them turned up as scum. A bad read. It was still pretty early but his level of activity, calling people out and making his opinions on people known are generally what I would contribute to town play. That's all I can say. I assure you that I didn't take offense to your comment about the bandwagons. Day 1 had many easy lynches. No need for me to help start one on you if I was mafia. 5. Yeah because I totally knew both were townies. I had no good scum reads day 1. I made it abundantly clear that my priority for lynching was purely based on who could most likely be mafia, not who is most likely not town from the leading candidates. My short thoughts on the leading lynch next. | ||
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I'm all for lynching scum, but I highly doubt we hit scum today. There's no good candidates yet. That being said, upon rereading I have no idea why I was suspicious of Drazerk. Chalk that up to an awful hangover. I'll try to work up something better soon -Completely backtracks on Drazerk. Suspicious? Yes but... Not hard to come up with something on Drazerk with the way he played early game. I would attribute this more to a townie who realizes he made a mistake than a mafia member who made a bad accusation. It seems as if he isn't concerned with the repercussions of this act. Dangerous territory of arguing he does something so scummy he can't be mafia. But that's my gut feeling. -Not playing as a "vet" should be playing. (unhelpful to town and low level of activity). This isn't enough for me. Lot's of vets had lackluster day 1 appearances. Whether he's trying to look not useless or not is a really iffy argument that I can't necessarily conclude one way or another. -Focuses mainly on WBG but voting behavior is almost useless as any tell. For now, I don't believe he is scum based on what we have. | ||
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On September 21 2011 04:04 Archon_Toilet wrote: JCARLSONIV - on the prplhz wagon who is now confirmed townie - Defends Sauron doctorh - Just crapping on about lurkers but doesnt actually say anything - Desperate to keep attention on the erandorr bandwagon rather than the one he was on. Mentions every single name on multiple occasions. This is important. It is highly likely mafia on the other big bandwagon as well, why ignore them? - Has claimed a personal interest in the ring. We know who Frodo is. Can only be Gollum or one of the nazgul. - accuses ciryandor (confirmed town) of being mafia cos he defended bugs (confirmed town) and prplhz (confirmed town) Bad votes, defends the godfather, attacks townies over and over. Has generally caused chaos, most of his post long quotewall noone can read. Vote to kill him. He is probably a nazgul. All the leading bandwagons were townies. You bandwagon arguments really hold no sway. Almost everyone voted for a townie; you can't just single him out. Lots of argument saying he has to be mafia for arguing with townies. Stop acting as if only mafia will argue and attack town. In fact, townies will be more likely to piss each other off. Arguing or defending people who flip mafia is a null tell this early on in the game. His comment about DrH is hardly a "defense". He's trying to force people to take the harder, more vulnerable route of actually having to spell out your arguments and provide reasons and opinions. Mafia can't be allowed to slide by with just their votes. You are really stretching definitions to include this as one of your "points". He has a personal interest in the ring. Great. No need to jump immediately to Nazgul. Pure speculation. I'm sure many more roles than just these can utilize the ring. | ||
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