World at War 2 Mafia

On July 05 2011 15:19 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I don't think GM's plan is entirely realistic, as it is hard to control people, and also retaliatory strikes are going to cause a lot of unwarranted bloodshed. Beyond that, I don't think a 50% consensus is actually a very strong thing to kill off of. Rather, kills should be based off of strong reasoning and analysis, and if it can be proved there's sufficient reason to nuke, we nuke. One thing that RTM taught me, is that town is eager to bandwagon on any kind of analysis, so long as it's formatted nicely, and makes a bit of sense. Look at the case brought up against sinani201 for example, which just pointed out bad play, but not how he was scum. I'm sure you could get a majority vote for firing on that, but for me, it's not strong enough to actually kill on, even if half of town agrees to it. Does that make sense? Majority rule isn't always right.

Random nuking = bad
Nuking with discussion = good
Nuking off strong reasoning and discussion of that = better

Also, I just read San's plan:

It's alright, except for a couple things.

-A mislynch on town will lead to probable retaliation on his accusers. The townie has KP, and he will try to fire it at who he thinks is scum before he dies.
-A lynch on scum that way will cause him to fire off all nukes into town.
-Scum can lie about the number of nukes he can be hit by, in order to waste town KP and increase the radiation level more, stopping further strikes from town and mafia for fear of losing. This works because nukes are not instantaneous.

I think this actually will end up with a lot of nukes fired, and a lot of dead townies, due to the nature of it, and as soon as nukes start to be fired, it makes it easier to fire more.

We should almost propose an armistice except for rare circumstances, maybe. =/

On July 05 2011 15:52 Eiii wrote:
sandroba wins the 'worst plan' award. Anyone trying to propose we fire the nukes in a controlled, safe manner is either living in a fantasy world, or eager to watch the world burn! As far as I can tell the whole nuke thing is going to be a huge clusterfuck and I don't know if there's really anything that can be done to stop it.

I'm going to go flip through the last WaW game because I have no clue how the nuclear phase works at all from the description given :x

On July 05 2011 15:51 Curu wrote:
Considering that radiation levels increase on any sort of activity (hitting someone with multiple lives, dud missiles counting) then I think it's somewhat safe to assume that the nuclear cap is somewhat high. Last World at War had 34 nukes spread among 22 countries with 9 as the max radiation level. This game, assuming an average of 1.5 nukes per person (29 people), then we have about 43 nukes total. So I’m going to preemptively place the radiation level at around 12. Just my analysis based purely on the previous game. Take from it what you will.

We already seem torn on how to use the nukes. In most town bandwagons there’s going to be at least a few scum so the lynched will probably fire some nukes. I kind of like sandroba’s suggestion but I think only in advantageous situations where a good scumread can be obtained (ie if we lynch a scum and he flips red). It’s much harder to get reliable scumtells on a flipped green.

Still let’s not be too hesitant to use nukes. The advantages the scum have in Mafia games are that:

1. They start with more information than anyone else
2. They have unified KP

With the nuke mechanic giving Town a share of that second advantage. We just have to figure out the best way to use it first.

On July 05 2011 18:18 prplhz wrote:
I think the whole idea that nukes can be used in a controlled way is absurd .. it may work but if it backfires it could really mean disaster and I don't think it's worth the risk. I suggest we just go about this game as if noone would have any reason to nuke ever unless they are conspirators. The whole "I think maybe we can use this many nukes before the earth self destructs" is a pretty bad gamble. Imagine if someone suggested it irl.

So far I'm pretty skeptical towards sandroba and GMarshal 'cause they are quite foolishly proposing that we use nukes in a controlled way, something that can only lead to disaster. Not so much about Chaos13. Also stop talking about confirmed scum.

On July 05 2011 18:44 prplhz wrote:
@sandroba

I sugest you go read my post before posting nonsense like this. I never suggested that controlling nukes is bad, it would be great if town could fully control all nukes and get pretty much unlimited KP, but this is not going to happen. And I think that the whole idea that maybe it could happen is naïve at best.