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Darkalbino
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia410 Posts
June 22 2011 13:11 GMT
#1
The Basilisk of Literature: An objective and logical approach to suicide

Speaking with a friend today, he told me a story. I've summed up his points below as best I could recall.

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I had an epiphany when I was 13, it resulted in a near death experience.

As humans on Earth, we are part of the all-entailing, infinite universe. Our solar system is made up of 8 planets, and our star, the Sun. The Sun is roughly 109 Earths accross, and can fit more than 220,000 Earths inside of it. Our Galaxy is made up of an estimated 400 Billion Stars, each with its own solar system just like ours. It has been estimated that there are more than 500 billion Galaxies, each with its own set of Stars. If you held up a grain of sand, the patch of sky it covers contains more than 10,000 galaxies alone.
Relative to the universe, how big are you?

The Universe is 13.75 billion years old. Our Solar System, Earth included, formed 4.6 billion years ago. The first apes appeared 35 million years ago, the first apelike men appeared 10 million years ago. Man has been on Earth for only 300,000 years. The current world average for life expectancy is:

67.2 years, or
24,545 days, or
589,080 hours, or
35,344,800 minutes or
2,120,688,000 seconds

Your life span in relation to the universe is the equivilent of a Human blink. Human life on Earth itself in relation to the Universe equivalent to less than an hour. Relative to the universe, how old are you?


We are all going to die. Whether its tomorrow or 50 years from now, we're all terminal.
In the end nothing matters. It doesn't matter if you kill 6 million Jews or you are the epitome of Altruism. It doesn't matter if you censored science on a religious basis, or sponsored it with theory and law. All the suffering in the world, all the joy in the world means nothing. It doesn't matter if you raised a family or left no relatives. A Single human or even the entire human species is insignificant. It is without purpose and will not change in the totality of existence.

When I realized this I had an uncontrollable urge to kill myself, what point was there in living? Sure it was selfish, my friends and family would grieve their loss, but what did I care, I was dead and they soon would be too. It is all meaningless


Hearing this was obviously confronting - has anyone comments or other examples of suicide inducing epiphanies they've encountered?
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Dagobert
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands1858 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 13:19:24
June 22 2011 13:14 GMT
#2
Psh, near-death experience. Weak shit. I had a near-life experience the other day.

Also... where-ever the bullshit in that 'epiphany' story came from, objectiveness and logic had nothing to do with it. Nobody needs a reason to be born and consequently, nobody needs a reason to live. I really don't know why people think they did.
McNulty
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway184 Posts
June 22 2011 13:16 GMT
#3
WOW THIS OP TOTALLY CHANGED MY LIFE!



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McNulty
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway184 Posts
June 22 2011 13:17 GMT
#4
No really, it did not... And I hope the random ramblings of a 13 year old never will either.
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
June 22 2011 13:19 GMT
#5
Sounds like a kid trying to be "deep"
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jeppew
Profile Joined April 2009
Sweden471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 13:29:44
June 22 2011 13:21 GMT
#6
Yes importance is measured by mass, that's why nothing any single person does will ever matter because they're not even close to being as important (large) as the massive dead rocks that orbit our sun.
Goliathsorrow
Profile Joined September 2010
Italy317 Posts
June 22 2011 13:23 GMT
#7
I think everyone who thinks about this stuff at the end comes out with different ideas and reasons of that.

Some persons can't handle it, some persons don't care about it and keep on living and many others just try to not think about it because of how scary the thought is.

As of me, I actually don't find it that incredible or scary... I think that searching a reason behind everything is not the correct way, there are simply things we cannot explain and that we should simply accept... because things are, and so are we.

I know it's probably a bit cheap.

JoFritzMD
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia163 Posts
June 22 2011 13:24 GMT
#8
I live my life by that code. Nothing really matters so you may as well do whatever the hell you want.

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But then I remember that that's only me on the internet and in real life I'm too nice a person to do whatever the hell I want
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GG.NoRe
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)1051 Posts
June 22 2011 13:25 GMT
#9
Youth. I also once thought I knew all the grand things in life.
Read some more and live some more. You'll see.
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 13:29:51
June 22 2011 13:26 GMT
#10
depends on your definition of "matter". "it doesnt matter" - to you? to your friends? to your parents?

if shit doesnt matter to you then realise that the secret of contentment is exploring and finding what does matter to you.

the emotional nature of humankind is that , even with the knowlege of futility, we are able to find contentment and things that matter to us and make life worth living.

friend needs to start trying to achieve and through this will learn some "self respect"

(of course everyone goes through emotional phases, "lows" - as much as we are able to go through emotional "highs". you need to work at it though, "not sucking" and self respect requires some degree of effort!)
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Aphasie
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway474 Posts
June 22 2011 13:34 GMT
#11
I was on the verge of committing suicide a few years ago. I was already depressed and the notion that we have no free will was driving me towards the edge. But thinking about it led to some more unanswered questions, so thankfully i didnt go trough with it.

That guys argument is so flawed its pathetic.
UFO
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
582 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 13:40:54
June 22 2011 13:37 GMT
#12
Your friend has made a tremendous amount of baseless assumptions.

Feeling insignificant when facing the vastness of the universe is understandable but at the same time, it comes from flaws in logic, from assumptions, generalizations and dividing reality, pulling parts of it and putting them inside boxes of the mind.

You don`t know what you are as an individuated conciousness. If you think you know then you probably don`t have a fucking clue about the depth and breadth of the conciousness and the scope of our ignorance.

The layers of knowledge, both in case of the universe and the inner world of the human conciousness, are nearly infinite.

No, even a belief that you as an individual are unable to make a change that would be significant in the face of the very infinity of the universe is baseless. There are hundrends, if not billions of possible arguments and explantations that would challenge or even discard this presumption, and certainly a few ones that could be articulated in a common language.

People in general and many of the scientists do not like to see their theories, observations or insights as incomplete or lacking in some way.

However, those sincere about science realize the scope of humanity`s ignorance. They are all about truth and self-honesty. Really, we know nearly fucking nothing in relation to the scope of reality.
HuskyMUDKIPZ
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
228 Posts
June 22 2011 13:39 GMT
#13
Cool, a 13 year old had an existential crisis.
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
June 22 2011 13:40 GMT
#14
Just because your friend doesn't see the point in living, doesn't mean that nothing matters.

You can still have a good time, and endeavor to make the lives of those around you as pleasant as possible.

His comment about the Holocaust should tell you everything you need to know about your "friend", what he thinks about himself, and what he thinks about you.

You only get a short time, don't spend it thinking about how futile it is. It's not.
lozarian
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1043 Posts
June 22 2011 13:41 GMT
#15
Actually the inability to reconcile the point of life with how it affects the universe/the world is a pretty common thing in depressed people. Flawed logic or not, it's a clear indicator.
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Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
June 22 2011 13:43 GMT
#16
On June 22 2011 22:41 lozarian wrote:
Actually the inability to reconcile the point of life with how it affects the universe/the world is a pretty common thing in depressed people. Flawed logic or not, it's a clear indicator.


I agree that depression and solipsism seem go hand in hand.
Electric.Jesus
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany755 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 14:57:24
June 22 2011 13:43 GMT
#17
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Edit: This picture expresses better than words what changed my mood when I was feeling suicidal.
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KurtistheTurtle
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1966 Posts
June 22 2011 13:45 GMT
#18
life is a series of decisions to be made, emotions to feel, and experiences to go through. I had that same epiphany at the same age. I think a lot of people do, that moment where you really realize your physical place and role in the universe. You go from anything, anywhere everywhere to here on earth for a fleeting moment, my mind literally shot out of my head and expanded so fast I couldn't deal with it but I knew I was at the center and I was so little. during life you have to jump off a bunch of cliffs down into water where there might be rocks or it might not be deep enough, this is just another cliff.
“Reject your sense of injury and the injury itself disappears."
RoosterSamurai
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan2108 Posts
June 22 2011 13:46 GMT
#19
If you can't see how precious life is, then I really feel sorry for you, and hope you find peace somehow....
Darkalbino
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia410 Posts
June 22 2011 13:47 GMT
#20
Obviously my friend is still alive, but it was interesting to see these few reactions, some were empathetic, the majority were critical so far. It was intriguing to see his logic though, obviously lacking the fundamental "its not where you're going, but how you get there that matters" aspect of it.
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