TL Mafia XXXVIII

On March 28 2011 02:54 Eiii wrote:
Is this going to start after insane finishes?

On April 02 2011 02:42 urashimakt wrote:

I can't believe the site won't let me report you, accursed spammer.

On April 09 2011 12:52 Qatol wrote:

He's a lazy bum who doesn't want to do it unless he has to. It takes more energy to make him do it than to just do it myself.

On April 09 2011 10:20 chaoser wrote:


I actually disagree as well. Having someone flip gives a lot of new information and can give posts by people a new light. Why would you not want to analyze before the end of night where you might possibly die? Ver said he was afraid he'd be shot every night so he posted his thoughts during the night and that helped town greatly.

On April 12 2011 15:05 chaoser wrote:


I guess you haven't read all of the thread...I've been calling GM scum for a while now. I was even one of the last few votes to push him out of mayor seat. If he is scum he just have to lynch him before he can effectively lose his pardon. I switched from Prot I think to Myself back to Prot in the beginning

On April 10 2011 03:01 GMarshal wrote:
Ok, my thoughts on this: I actualy seriously considered the possibility of lynching the pardoner as the day one lynch, but then I realized something, the Pardoner is more pro-town a role than it at first seems. Why? Because its the only person who can singlehandedly shut down a scummy last minute vote switch, where all the scum switch over to their preferred target, and potentially win the game. Also, as long as the pardoner is level headed he'll save his power for a situation where its obviously beneficial to the town (e.g. save a player who is obviously town from a sudden and unexpected wagon).

As to the day 1 lynch, I think a lurker is absolutely 100% the best call, I've said it before, I *hate* lurkers, they make the endgame hellish. The benefit of having the mayor lead that lynch is that its almost entirely immune to scum influence, since (if we voted right) the mayor will be pro town.



but if this happens we immediately cast suspicion on the pardoner and the mayor, so in that sense we force the scum to walk a dangerous line, if they snipe the bg too quickly then we know that one of them is the mayor or pardoner, if they leave them then they are leaving a powerful role in play in the form of the mayor or the pardoner

Also Kav, my comment about waiting till day 1 to plan and do crap was more out of frustration at the wait than anything else

On April 10 2011 01:27 Kavdragon wrote:


I disagree on the basis of your argument for talking at night.

Also, once the day does start, chances are the discussion will be taken over by mayoral discussions. Let's use this time that we are forced not to talk about the other conversation starter:

Do we lynch an inactive day one?

My thoughts: I think that we should lynch an inactive. People who are active can actually be read/analyzed later on, but inactives will always be an there in the back of our mind. This also pressures inactive players to become more active.


Since we have a pardoner and traditionally Day one lynches are wrong, do we want to lynch day one?

My thoughts: The pardoner only gets to pardon one lynch and while I've never played with a pardoner before, I don't think that that power should be use that lightly. In addition, not lynching on day one takes away our ability to pressure people.

On April 10 2011 03:15 GMarshal wrote:


This means we should focus our attentions on people who run and on really analyzing the hell out of our mayor/pardoner. Also I think that the mayor's power is being understated, he has a triple vote, in the hands of scum that would be lethally dangerous, bringing lylo much, much closer than it should be. Personally I think we should only vote for players we think are probably town, because the idea of having one or both of those power roles in the hands of the mafia is pretty worrying.

So yeah, let me state the obvious, make damn sure you are voting for pro town players, as these roles are pretty damn powerful.

On April 10 2011 04:02 GMarshal wrote:
wow, that was a mess of a post. What I intended to say was that assassins will not necessarily act anti-town but they certainly wont act to pro town either, as they want to both avoid being lynched and avoid being killed by the mafia. The only occasion where I expect to see an extremely pro town Assassin if if one tries to grab the mayorship/pardoner.

On April 10 2011 04:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
kavdragon is saying a lot of useless bullshit trying to appear protown and basically his posts are this:

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obviously no mafia would say THIS much "pro-town" stuff that everyone already knows amirite ;o????

i'm not buying it. you did this same thing in pokemafia which i hosted

On April 10 2011 05:00 GMarshal wrote:


Then its a win/win situation for us, mafia just gave up a shot at two really, really useful roles. I'm having a hard time envisioning a scenario where the scumteam dosn't run for mayorship. If for nothing else, if they get a guy up there he is DT proof for a while and they get the names of the BGs

On April 10 2011 11:39 GMarshal wrote:
I died, and I came back, now I'm changed, I live, but only destroy the enemies of the town

tremble mafia for GM is here to destroy you

Now, I know there are going to be plenty of other candidates running on platforms of cookies and puppies and flowers and even cats in tophats and monocles. Unfortunately I'm not going to offer you cookies or cats in tophats and monocles, only dead scum, swinging, swinging from a tree.

Now why would you vote for GMarshal?

1.) I am the most pro-town player, just look at my play, I do nothing but help town, scumhunt and make the town think. My death in insane was the crumbling point that lead to scum and stupid townies getting Tack lynched. You guys will have no issue seeing if I am town, as if I am I will be posting every five minutes or so, at the very least to berate inactives. If I'm not playing my townie style then by all means hang me.

2.) Despite the fiasco of XXXVII, I am a decent scum hunter, I died in insane because I had 3/6 scum pegged day 1. I fully intend to analyze the scum team into the ground. I might not be Ver, but I'll do my damndest to kill scum. If you've watched me play at all you know I'll stand by my convictions, even if I am the only townie doing so.

3.) I know what I am going to do with my lynch, Im going to use it on the most inactive/lurking player around to make an example, the best part of this is that unlike regular inactive lynches this one is 100% guaranteed to be scum influence free

4.) Inactives I am going to kill inactive with fiery vengeance, inactives are one of the number one reasons town loses, people who don't post because being a townie is “boring” and allow scum to hide in their midst. Not this game. Not on my watch.

5.) Policy. I'm not going to tolerate any plans that rely on “trust me guys, I'm pro” or “my gut is why you should lynch Qatol!” and I'm going to lynch players who try to make arguments into mudslinging fests that allow scum to happily hide under the spam (See Insane mafia 2). So if you want to make an argument, do so with good points, analysis and in a respectful manner, or I will either ignore you, or make sure you get lynched.

6.) Plans and town direction. The lack of PMs this game means that many plans that rely on circles and claims dont work. However that dosn't mean we can't think about the roles we have at our disposal. For example we have watchers, trackers and DT's thats three different information roles that from day 1 should be threatening scum. “Threatening scum” you ask “dont you mean catching scum?”. Well yes and no. Detectives should most certainly be checking players who are playing off their usual meta and players who they think are acting scummy, but not enough to be called out on, however be aware that with the presence of a godfather nothing is certain. Watchers need to watch whoever they think are going to be hit. Watchers should think of themselves as medics who catch scum, instead of protecting the person, so if you think someone is a target then watch them. Trackers should track who you think is likely scum, if they visit a someone and they die, you know you got something, if they visit and someone dosn't die then you probably have a blue or a mafia roleblocker. if you vote for me I can keep giving us this type of direction, including lists of who I think needs to be Dted, Vigied, Med protected, etc. Im going to do this regardless of whether I am elected or not, but if I'm dead my ability to post helpful lists is going to be greatly diminished

7.) I don’t lie, ever, I may perform gambits, but I don’t lie (with the exception of about my role, I do reserve the right to tell blatant untruths about that), and I endorse the LaL policy, in fact if I am mayor I’ll make sure we follow it as much as possible.

8.) I'm an easy read, you want me as mayor because frankly it doesn't matter if you can role check me or not, you can just look at my posts and say “town” or “scum”. Unlike other players who play a really good game as mafia, I am obviously scum when I am scum and obviously town when I am town. This means that the fact that I cannot be Dted as mayor is irrelevant

9.) I'm GMarshal, the towniest townie and I'm here from beyond the grave to kick the mafia teams ass for killing me in insane

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On April 10 2011 12:03 Kavdragon wrote:
I would also like to announce my campaign for mayor. I didn't write up anything fancy this game for my platform, nor will I copy-past it from a previous game.

I offer the experience that I have gained from previously being mayor.

I offer strong leadership, something that already demonstrated in XXXVI, but I have worked on and further improved on since then.

I offer my skills as an analyst. My analysis in XXXVI was key to the town's victory, and while I have not had the chance to demonstrate it since then, I have been talking with veteran players (Ver, BC, and Foolishness) constantly since then about how I can improve my play, and analysis.

I will be offering my ideas, opinions, and thoughts openly to make my alignment clear to the town.

I offer victory for the town.

Vote for Kav!

On April 12 2011 18:05 chaoser wrote:
Pardoner can't pardon themselves bum.

On April 12 2011 18:51 Jackal58 wrote:
Hey Bum. You missed this one.
Tackster is most likely scum too. Or whoever replaces him.


+ Show Spoiler +

On April 12 2011 22:00 GMarshal wrote:


Also remember you accused me of posting generic advice? I at least got it first.

Also Dr.H cannot be tracked as he is immune to *all* night actions, that includes tracking.

Instead of this generic advice I'd like to see a list of who exactly you think needs protection and who needs dt checks, as well as who needs to be tracked or watched, I'm curious to see where if anywhere our lists overlap

On April 13 2011 01:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Bumatlarge makes good points against Gmarshal and rereading Barundar's posts, his meta read on me is pretty valid. Although I disagree, he has no way of knowing what I'm thinking or reading my mind so I would probably think the same thing if I were him. There are a few of his posts that I thought were scummy and I'll point them out.

I'll be reading through all of GMarshal's shit soon. The fact is, by the time GMarshal's campaign was going strong, I really just scanned his posts because I was too tunneled onto Kavdragon and GMarshal was much more placid. Everyone seemed to find him agreeable so there was never a huge red flag get off, although I started getting vibes later on that he was trying too hard and he was actually contradicting himself a lot. But I wanted my read on Kavdragon to be true so bad I overlooked that and that is really shitty town play. I actually should apologize for that.

This is my conflict:
Did the mafia put me in office because they thought it was worth it to kill Kavdragon? In a normal situation, mafia wouldn't want me in mayor, but (they would know for sure Kavdragon is innocent) if they can get a guaranteed lynch off on a town-aligned power player (they do take the chance he's an assassin tho) and then flip that around to get me lynched that's a big first two days for scum. Seems like a good plan actually.

But are they willing to put me in as mayor? If GMarshal is scum, and his platform as mayor was really to do the thing that pissed off the least amount of people, he still gets the pardoner protection from night actions which allows the scum to pick a second person as godfather. That's a pretty big advantage against investigative roles.

That's sort of my vision of whats happened right now. I have reading to do and I need to cool my jets this time. Bumatlarge you're making a lot of good points, I know you think I'm scum and you want me lynched, but I guess I'm inspired now to do better analysis? I'm glad you're in this game anyway, if I get mislynched for the poor decision I made and my bad attitude in the beginning of this game then I think you'll lead town in the right direction.

On April 13 2011 08:22 GMarshal wrote:


Ok, I post large posts that are not always content-full, but I *am* trying to contribute and help. I provided a blue list during the day to foster discussion, it was ignored, I pressured kita to see how he would responds, people got pissed at me for it, I tried to keep the assassin out of office, that was apparently anti-town (although I stand by it btw). It seems like theres nothing I can do that won't have you people yelling scum.

Also, guess who else posted large posts that were even emptier than mine? Kavdragon.

Sensuously lynching me is stupid, we are already down one active townie, are we just going to lynch them all until we reach the endgame with Serejai, M0nsterchef and Mig? Because thats going to be a very dull endgame, where lynching is going to be a guess.

Still if your buddy is Dr.H this a great plan, link us through really tentative evidence and when I flip green be like "oops, I guess he wasn't scum, guess that means Dr.H is town". Proceed to lead the town with some more great "analysis" and get the rest of the vocal players killed. Proceed to lead the remaining players in circles.

You know what, I want a DT check on this guy. I thoughts his motives were pure because he was trying, but now I think there could be something more sinister here.