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VoidRay/Colossus in PvZ - IMBALANCED!

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Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-16 00:38:11
February 16 2011 00:07 GMT
#1
Episode 03 of IMBALANCED! is here! The thread last time was a lot better, with some great discussion going on! Let's do that again :D We spend a ton of time reading feedback and thinking about the discussions raised in the threads each week.

This week tackles the new VoidRay/Colossus build which has been dominating PvZ. If you haven't ever seen IMBALANCED! before, you should probably go watch episode 01 first, so you understand our definitions of it.

Here it is!:


EnjoY~

And discuss!

edit: Please watch before flaming!
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/Artosis
GhostFall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States830 Posts
February 16 2011 00:07 GMT
#2
didn't you already do this one?
kaisr
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada715 Posts
February 16 2011 00:08 GMT
#3
nice I love using this build and I feel sorry for the zergs I do it to... I feel I've won tons of games (easily) vs zergs who are significantly better than me doing this
FlashtehKira
Profile Joined February 2011
8 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-16 00:09:13
February 16 2011 00:08 GMT
#4
thanks Artosis,but remember PvT more imbalanced than PvZ.

phoenix+colossus more scary than void+colossus.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
February 16 2011 00:09 GMT
#5
oh boyy here we go. Definetely my most hated unit combo
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
tsuxiit
Profile Joined July 2010
1305 Posts
February 16 2011 00:09 GMT
#6
Cool. Glad you guys are putting out shows so consistently!
Herpadurr
Profile Joined January 2011
Monaco151 Posts
February 16 2011 00:09 GMT
#7
On February 16 2011 09:07 GhostFall wrote:
didn't you already do this one?


Yeah, well, it's SO imbalanced that it deserves another episode.
You're stupid. Stop it.
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
February 16 2011 00:10 GMT
#8
YES
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Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
February 16 2011 00:10 GMT
#9
Colossus again?

But yeah, I will agree even before watching that the protoss ball of death is ridiculous in its current form. Against both zerg and terran. Lets see what kind of conclusion you guys make.
Spekulatius
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2413 Posts
February 16 2011 00:11 GMT
#10
Hey Artosis, I think the mods wanted you to put all your vids in one thread. Just sayin.

Btw, I'm stoked for a new episode. Gonna watch it asap.
Always smile~
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
February 16 2011 00:11 GMT
#11
Ferrets not as loud this week
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Deleted User 109835
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
629 Posts
February 16 2011 00:12 GMT
#12
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Lythox
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands161 Posts
February 16 2011 00:14 GMT
#13
Thanks Artosis and IdrA, I've been waiting for the episode with this certain subject!
Sheekthief
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States267 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-16 00:53:18
February 16 2011 00:14 GMT
#14
Definitely feel like this was a good episode. Went over all the problems with the build. Hopefully this actually makes people realize why there is so much Zerg QQ. If i do say so myself, at around my level (2700 masters) this is probably the most frustrating build to play against as it seems there is no good counter. :<
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TheResidentEvil
Profile Joined September 2010
United States991 Posts
February 16 2011 00:16 GMT
#15
I watched your previous 2 episodes and thought they were OK. Now we on episode 3 and already back to the colossus. Sorry but you lost me now.
elkram
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States221 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-16 00:50:47
February 16 2011 00:16 GMT
#16
waiting for iNcontrol's show: Balanced.

jkjk, I really love this show. Always very calm and reasonable opinions presented.

Edit: opinion after watching show + Show Spoiler +
Kind of disappointed that this is the first show with an imbalance verdict. I think that you are right though, Zerg's need a buff b/c if you nerf the VR it becomes like the scout from BW, where you only get it to BM your opponent, not to win. As for what that buff could be, i don't know
Tiger Tiger. burning bright, In the forests of the night; What immortal hand or eye. Could frame thy fearful symmetry?
shaunnn
Profile Joined October 2010
Ireland1230 Posts
February 16 2011 00:17 GMT
#17
surely mass corrupters destroy this, i can understand trouble with mothership in pvz but not this:/
The naniwa - Unit of protoss skill, defined as the number of gates you build off of one base
darthcaesar
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States475 Posts
February 16 2011 00:23 GMT
#18
I think the TL admins wanted you to keep all of these shows in one thread - the second thread was in fact renamed for this purpose.

Other than that, love the show.
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MaXy57
Profile Joined January 2011
25 Posts
February 16 2011 00:27 GMT
#19
Did you apologize to idra for tricking him into an air high five? Because that was mean.
Bronze league regular
debasers
Profile Joined August 2010
737 Posts
February 16 2011 00:28 GMT
#20
A bit disappointed that you're talking about collossus agains.

And also, I feel like this kind of build just allows you to build a TON of corruptors
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