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gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 10 2011 14:12 GMT
#19
/in
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gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 10 2011 14:14 GMT
#20
On February 10 2011 16:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Nothing in this set up is final as of yet. Before the game starts some OP information may change.

yeah, role reverser looks a little silly
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gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 22 2011 15:28 GMT
#250
game needs more elections!
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gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 23 2011 03:46 GMT
#302
I'm a veteran
claims to me
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gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 23 2011 04:09 GMT
#321
vote: foolishness
i was joking about claiming to me, but i'm not retracting my claim
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gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 23 2011 04:47 GMT
#344
On February 23 2011 13:33 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Also, I'm just going to point this out, the number of GFs is limited. There is no way there would be 6 GFs, as that would mean 6 mafia KP, which seems a bit ridiculous. The GF is worth 1 KP it says in the OP, so if you assume a set-up of 3 KP for mafia, that means 3 GFs max, 1KP each.

Speculation:
If a grunt is worth say, .5 kp, so not the same as a GF, and fits in line with power costs, possible set-ups become something like:

3GF, 3 mafia total (3kp)
2GF 2grunts, 4 mafia total (3kp)
1GF 4grunts, 5 mafia total (3kp)

I think the last two are more likely, but we should be able to tell more accurately after the first night kills and then after RB claims are in.

Since the reds can manipulate innocents, frame, role-reverse
No, there is no straight Godfather in my opinion
I'm also very suspicious of this post:



On February 23 2011 13:19 GMarshal wrote:
for arguments sake going to create analysis cells, use them for informational analysis
(even assuming I were scum there is no way) I could ensure each has a mafia member in it as there isn't enough mafia to go around (I am trying to put at least 1 TL vet in each) as the game progresses and people die we can have new cells form. (also you are free to create your own parallel cells)

1. Coagulation, LSB, gryffindor
2 GMarshal, seRapH, OriginalName
3 Mr. Wiggles, ICanFlyLow, kevconsim
4 Barundar, LastArgument , why
5 darmousseh, Ser Aspi, Kenpachi
6 Gofarman, chaoser, ohN
7 astroorion, CubEdIn, Jackal58
8 Beneather, annul, Conversion
9 icemac, Foolishness, LunarDestiny
10 deconduo, kitaman27, JBright

This is just a suggestion, but I think it is a good one, discuss

This would get us raped by the role reverser, and is really a scummy idea
unvote;
##Vote: GMarshal
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gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 23 2011 05:09 GMT
#347
Oh, so now you have to dip into Ad Hominem
Go ahead and crossvote with me, mafia
I'm onto you
You are playing completely differently than I saw you as town
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gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 23 2011 06:23 GMT
#359
with 30, i doubt there are 8
5-6 is much more likely, with 6 being more likely, unless they start with roles (which I doubt)
due to the mechanics

5 with an SK I would believe would be balanced as well, but i'm seeing 6 and 2.5-3kp, or something like "you may not kill 3 people" as 3 kp is a bit much right now

we will learn soon enough. It is also possible they get to pick to be permanent, or nightly. I'm not quite sure on the mechanic. Lets assume it is permanent, and they pick a GF and a role reverser
they'd still have 1.5kp which would round up to 2 afaik

The best thing to do is to not come out if you're a hatter, for sure
If you're a cop, I wouldn't come out unless you have a guilty, or are pressured
I wouldn't ever claim as medic, unless someone you protected and saved is up for lynch
Veteran is OK to claim, many setups have bulletproofs claiming first
Vigilante is OK to claim TOMORROW if you claim who you are going to kill - Don't claim today, as you can't kill tonight
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gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 23 2011 06:31 GMT
#365
On February 23 2011 15:26 Foolishness wrote:
Did anyone else find something odd about the above post?

1) pushes bad case on lurkers vs inactives which is null at best on day 1
2) votes someone who isn't even a lurker "to that end"
3) in his next post claims he is "going out", becoming a lurker himself, and an active one

I'd rather lynch an active lurker than an inactive one. At least with an inactive one, we might have a chance of convincing the moderator to message them or replace them.
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gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 23 2011 06:31 GMT
#366
I agree with you, Foolishness, that it is a bad post, but IS IT SCUMMY?
Probably, but I'm still stuck on GMarshal's obviously scum-motivated plan
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gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 23 2011 06:41 GMT
#374
TeamLiquid town guide? I'm not trying to troll, here, but that is something that is nearly oxy-moronic from my experience. Now if it was "how to play as mafia", then this is definitely the place to come, but the town here is generally very weak, FoS/pressure way too little, don't engage in the setup properly, and claim way too lukewarmly. What I mean by the latter is that people either completely claim, or they don't claim whatsoever.

The smarter ones are the ones who pick up on what I'm doing, and make fun of me for it. See: 3 people claiming vig/veteran last page after I did. It was mainly a joke to judge reactions. I'm liking Foolishness/Kenpachi on this page, not liking GMarshal for the reason i voted him, and now I'm disliking a few other people. I don't like that vote on annul, and I dislike LastArgument's very-weak FoS of me that lacked reasoning.

@LastArgument, what, exactly, "irked" you in my post?
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gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 23 2011 06:43 GMT
#376
On February 23 2011 15:38 Coagulation wrote:
well if gryffindor is bill murray than hes probably making shit up for attention as far as his role claim goes

I'm doing that, but I don't know this Bill Murray character you speak of
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gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 23 2011 06:43 GMT
#378
On February 23 2011 15:38 LunarDestiny wrote:
Voting inactives are bad, but there are people who will only reply if their names pop up. I understand the game just started, but I think pressure voting to get someone start talking is good.

What's bad is that if the person don't respond and bandwagon on that person happens.

That's only bad if they're town, unless you want to out every power role haphazardly. Is that what you want?
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gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 23 2011 06:44 GMT
#380
On February 23 2011 15:43 Coagulation wrote:
gryffindor ARE YOU BILL?

my name is Sam, actually, who is Bill?
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gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 23 2011 06:46 GMT
#384
How is any of that insane whatsoever? Would you like to address individual points, or are you going to attack me via strawman(not addressing the meat of the argument)?

or you could leave it at attacking me and not my argument. i wouldn't mind that.
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gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 23 2011 06:50 GMT
#389
On February 23 2011 15:46 LastArgument wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 15:23 gryffindor wrote:
with 30, i doubt there are 8
5-6 is much more likely, with 6 being more likely, unless they start with roles (which I doubt)
due to the mechanics

5 with an SK I would believe would be balanced as well, but i'm seeing 6 and 2.5-3kp, or something like "you may not kill 3 people" as 3 kp is a bit much right now

we will learn soon enough. It is also possible they get to pick to be permanent, or nightly. I'm not quite sure on the mechanic. Lets assume it is permanent, and they pick a GF and a role reverser
they'd still have 1.5kp which would round up to 2 afaik

The best thing to do is to not come out if you're a hatter, for sure
If you're a cop, I wouldn't come out unless you have a guilty, or are pressured
I wouldn't ever claim as medic, unless someone you protected and saved is up for lynch
Veteran is OK to claim, many setups have bulletproofs claiming first
Vigilante is OK to claim TOMORROW if you claim who you are going to kill - Don't claim today, as you can't kill tonight


As you asked what I found troublesome about this post.

as per the town guide found
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=188179

You did what would be as general talking. Rather than being specific with the use of the roles you mention you instead mention generalities. It also a post that lacks emphasis on the fundamental skill in which it has been suggested towns need to play by which is behavioural analysis. This and factoring in your earlier claim makes it seem fairly odd no?

Not at all.
I felt the need to come in and give a good general way to play as each role for us.
People who focus on really weird plans are generally scum. See the plan for the ninjas in XXX which was proposed by the Mafia Godfather. It was very similar to what GMarshal did.

I don't consider myself having "generally talked" there whatsoever. I was discussing the setup, with what was possible, and coaching more inexperienced players on what works for town, which is generally lacking overall in terms of sense here in teamliquid (except for good players like Foolishness who *always* get hit N1)

Have you noticed, how, in my next posts, I list town and scum reads?
Is that not behavioral analysis?
Am I not currently voting, and, btw, thanks for responding to my QUESTION of you... which is another way to scumhunt... asking questions... sheesh

you're joking, right?
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gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 23 2011 06:54 GMT
#392
On February 23 2011 15:46 Coagulation wrote:
looks like kenpachi is town this game.
thats a shame.
hes a good day 1 lynch

agree with your read, but you shouldn't state it quite that way
it is better to be more... wavering.. in your reads

kenpachi is town used to be considered a scumslip in 2004-2005, as seen in this town guide:
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=JEEP's_Tells_for_Finding_Mafia
#5 is what you just did

"kenpachi is town" not "looks like kenpachi might be town"
Now, this is generally written off now, but fair warning that people might call you out on that eventually. Some of them, though, are still very damning. It addresses rolefishing on d1, for instance, which is why I am voting GMarshal for that plan to set up mafia members infiltrating potential town circles.
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gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 23 2011 07:00 GMT
#396
On February 23 2011 15:59 Coagulation wrote:
i see what your saying.
i see it more as bait for a desperate mafia to bite.

Yeah, you shouldn't do that.
It's really not a tell anymore, GENERALLY SPEAKING.
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gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 23 2011 07:04 GMT
#398
On February 23 2011 15:57 LastArgument wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 15:50 gryffindor wrote:
On February 23 2011 15:46 LastArgument wrote:
On February 23 2011 15:23 gryffindor wrote:
with 30, i doubt there are 8
5-6 is much more likely, with 6 being more likely, unless they start with roles (which I doubt)
due to the mechanics

5 with an SK I would believe would be balanced as well, but i'm seeing 6 and 2.5-3kp, or something like "you may not kill 3 people" as 3 kp is a bit much right now

we will learn soon enough. It is also possible they get to pick to be permanent, or nightly. I'm not quite sure on the mechanic. Lets assume it is permanent, and they pick a GF and a role reverser
they'd still have 1.5kp which would round up to 2 afaik

The best thing to do is to not come out if you're a hatter, for sure
If you're a cop, I wouldn't come out unless you have a guilty, or are pressured
I wouldn't ever claim as medic, unless someone you protected and saved is up for lynch
Veteran is OK to claim, many setups have bulletproofs claiming first
Vigilante is OK to claim TOMORROW if you claim who you are going to kill - Don't claim today, as you can't kill tonight


As you asked what I found troublesome about this post.

as per the town guide found
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=188179

You did what would be as general talking. Rather than being specific with the use of the roles you mention you instead mention generalities. It also a post that lacks emphasis on the fundamental skill in which it has been suggested towns need to play by which is behavioural analysis. This and factoring in your earlier claim makes it seem fairly odd no?

Not at all.
I felt the need to come in and give a good general way to play as each role for us.
People who focus on really weird plans are generally scum. See the plan for the ninjas in XXX which was proposed by the Mafia Godfather. It was very similar to what GMarshal did.

I don't consider myself having "generally talked" there whatsoever. I was discussing the setup, with what was possible, and coaching more inexperienced players on what works for town, which is generally lacking overall in terms of sense here in teamliquid (except for good players like Foolishness who *always* get hit N1)

Have you noticed, how, in my next posts, I list town and scum reads?
Is that not behavioral analysis?
Am I not currently voting, and, btw, thanks for responding to my QUESTION of you... which is another way to scumhunt... asking questions... sheesh

you're joking, right?



In your following posts after the one I quoted you only center on GM for a possible red, who is following suggestions found in the link I provided. I also glanced through your posts and you so far have only insinuated that GM as well as mrwiggles.

Your list of "reads" is responding to foolishness, but is also a summary of information found in multiple spots within the mafia forum. Most of it is all spoken generalities, rather than specifics. I know I am not very experienced and running purely on what I have read from threads here but based on that it all seems off.

You need to re-read the post in which I "insinuated" mrwiggles. I did no such thing; you need to learn to read more carefully. Look at the punctuation, don't just ISO people post-by-post, and read it in context. If that's not the case, learn to read punctuation correctly.

I am not sure GM is red, but thanks for noticing I'm voting him. How is he "following suggestions found in the link provided"? I wasn't summarizing anything, either, just speaking from my heart, so that is a misrepresentation as well as my lack of an insinuation on MrWiggles.

I can tell you are not experienced. You said it, not me.
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gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 23 2011 07:06 GMT
#399
that reads a bit off, but GENERALLY SPEAKING so does your attempt to appear town
placing you on my shortlist of scum for trying to discredit your buddy GMarshal's attacker
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