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On February 15 2011 09:55 Gofarman wrote: Played on a couple forums in the past won a few lost a few, I generally catch a bead on a individual player and follow them throughout games causing them no end of pain or making them a better player. How is the meta in tlmafia? The last forum I played for a couple months the meta got unbearable, people figuring out setups simply by looking at what the mods had previously done; on that thread does anyone do smaller games like C9's? (I played on mafiascum and the wizards forum mostly in the past) It's a lot faster than Mafiascum. 48/24hr day/nights are more exciting IMO. The meta is pretty good. Unless it's a regular game (like this one), it would be hard to figure out anything close to the real setup. Also figuring out the setup isn't that important over here. Right now there is a problem with people going inactive, but it isn't that bad. Hopefully you'll enjoy it! | ||
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On February 22 2011 06:53 Conversion wrote: hey I'm a new player  be nice to me!! Don't vote to lynch me, and I won't vote to lynch you kk? | ||
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Plus not editing jacks up your post count! By the end of this game, you could be a zergling, or even a hydra! Game starts 03:00 GMT (+00:00) | ||
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Btw, I got lots to do today/tomorrow, so don't mind me kk? On February 23 2011 12:27 Foolishness wrote: You know a 30 sided die is mathematically impossible right? Make it like a d8, but 15 edges on the top and bottom. | ||
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1) You can't stop them. Say I PM GMarshal. Boom town circle 2) You can't force someone to PM another person. Although set up 'cells' are nice, people won't do anything, if they don't trust the other people in the cell. 3) Discussion on town circles is useless. It's like discussing the Proleauge, you can't change anything about it even if you yell really hard. But what can we do about this town circle discussion? Well, I did find one good post. On February 23 2011 13:31 annul wrote: pretty sure its better for people to post things in the thread -- much easier to catch red slips that way. if people only post in these mini town circles, then people are probably more inclined psychologically to trust their town circle and not consider them red, etc. Check this out. Annul is directly attacking town circles, making weird reasons 'being more inclined to trust certain people' and 'only post in these town circles.' I don't see why this is a bad trait for townies. Everyone trusts certain people. For example, I'm trusting Foolishness because I don't believe that RoL would make him mafia given the state of TL town. In addition, Annul is saying that mafia would benefit from these town circles. Again, this is messed up reasoning. Remember, mafia has their own PM circle and if they want to discuss fake anyasis they do so in their own circles, town circles force them under individual scrutiny. Now, more on Annul, check out this post by him On February 23 2011 12:55 annul wrote: it reeks of red because he is like "hey so theres weak powers in this game lol" which can only be known if he is a red, since if he was green he cant make that blanket claim and if he was a blue, he'd even be less inclined to make that claim the only way he can do that is if he is red and he sees the red team has weak or no powers Annul's attacking people way to early again... interesting... not the first time he did this. Last time he did this he was mafia. I'm keeping this in mind. Annul as mafia likes to tunnel people and pretend an argument exists. That worked well in XXXV because town had an IQ of 2, but lets play better kk? On February 24 2011 08:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote: The only problem with this logic is that he was mafia that game, and played very aggressively against LSB to get him lynched. So you can't use this as a scum tell, but it does tell us that annul is capable of making long thought out posts when he wants to, so if anything, we should pressure him to do so. So annul, what's keeping you back from posting anything longer than two lines? You seem to have an opinion on some players, why not write anything substantial? Only problem is that when he plays town he isn't much better off, and isn't the most pro-town player (RoL did that just fine in Merc Micro) And a few posts I want to point out On February 23 2011 13:47 gryffindor wrote: This would get us raped by the role reverser, and is really a scummy idea unvote; ##Vote: GMarshal -.- Asks for people to claim to him. Check Blindly throws a FOS not really understanding what's going on. Check Helloo -Removed because of Qatol's post- On February 24 2011 01:53 deconduo wrote: My issue wasn't that you sent me a PM, it was that you and gryff sent me an almost identical one within a couple hours of each other. This coupled with the fact that the two of you have been going back and forth without actually saying much makes me FOS you. Can I see these Pms? | ||
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Inactive voting is a form of a policy lynch, you lynch someone because 1) you hope that through example people will be less inactive (This never works btw), and 2) you don't want to bring the inactive to lylo. Someone who doesn't post much is going to suck at Lylo. Dealing with Inactives is incredibly important, practically every large normal game lost by the town was because of Inactives. 3 mafia v 4 inactives is no contest at all. Now, should we waste a lynch on an inactive? How about instead we push town inactives to modkill themselves? What do you guys think about that? We get to use our lynch on annul, and the inactives still disappear! | ||
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On February 24 2011 12:28 GMarshal wrote: sure, here is what I sent to deconduo, do you want his response as well? + Show Spoiler + To: deconduo [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Mafia XXXVII Date: 2/24/11 00:13 Hi! So,I'm curious as to what your reads are this game, care to share? Gryffindor sent me this, so maybe thats what Deconduo is reffering to Original Message From gryffindor: What are your general reads so far? | ||
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On February 24 2011 12:29 annul wrote: ROL was the most town in merc mafia? he was mafia and, again, if the town actually listened to me, we won. You lost the game in Merc Mafia. As I said, Kav would have one the game it's not my fault people are too fucking stupid to see the good ideas in the things i say. i really do not know what more i need to do other than scream "I AM A MEDIC" 500 times (in merc mafia, not here) and give 100% of my information to whoever asked. what else is there to do? You are forgetting that the reason why you knew that RoL was mafia was because the town knew that between You and RoL, one of you two killed LD. However, instead of trying to persuade the town, you used process of elimination, saw that RoL had to be mafia, and started yelling without explaining yourself and swearing off people. Again, this is the fault of annul, he just asserts that he is right with no real reasoning. This is bad for the town for two reasons. 1) It makes him an easy bus by the mafia, ie merc mafia. 2) It makes it easy for him to hide when he actually is mafia. and really? in the other mafia game i attacked you because what you did made no sense. also, i was trying to take down people who were skilled and i figured i had the chance to do it with you (i did). i almost got away with it too. probably would have if not for ROL being veteran making me unable to kill him night 1 ;\ Not really... You got killed day 2 for a reason. Because a lot of people including me fingered you as mafia. | ||
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I don't want to take him to lylo, and I don't think that he can be persuaded to modkilled himself | ||
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On February 24 2011 12:51 GMarshal wrote: not to quibble but I had like 90 posts when I started playing mafia... I don't see how you can possibly make a judgment based on that. To make judgments you hit "profile, posts" and then stalk everything in there. Ser Aspi's posting history looks normal to me imo. | ||
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LSB, I cannot believe I just read an entire page of you and annul fighting again. Seriously there is no reason to get drawn into that again if you are town. And why are you voting for annul? You say that he is playing similarly to XXXV in that he is tunneling a player early. The (obvious) difference is that this game he isn't really pushing for GMarshal or chaoser's lynch like he did yours, he's just sort of putting their names out there. I feel like you are just voting for annul because you don't like him and not because you think he's mafia. Exactly, I've already explained why Annul is a horrible choice as we go to lylo. In addition, Annul is playing pretty scummy you can read my responses to his posts. Its a two for one deal. [quote] In other news here is my current lynch pick: icemac He has a reasonable activity level if you just look at the post count, but really he has said absolutely nothing. He says who we should vote for in a general sense, but avoids naming names. The one post that he does mention names in he basically just takes the top 4 most active players with no further explanation. He seems to be forcing himself to post when he doesn't actually have anything to say, so as to give the illusion of contribution. [/QUOTE] When I read through those posts, I see Icemanic supporting Annul's thoughts against the plan. In addition "day 1 analysis doesn't matter" is something I always watch out for as scum defence of scumbudie. To me, if Annul is mafia, icemanic isn't looking so hot.[/spoiler] | ||
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On February 24 2011 14:14 why wrote: LSB, I cannot believe I just read an entire page of you and annul fighting again. Seriously there is no reason to get drawn into that again if you are town. And why are you voting for annul? You say that he is playing similarly to XXXV in that he is tunneling a player early. The (obvious) difference is that this game he isn't really pushing for GMarshal or chaoser's lynch like he did yours, he's just sort of putting their names out there. I feel like you are just voting for annul because you don't like him and not because you think he's mafia. Exactly, I've already explained why Annul is a horrible choice as we go to lylo. In addition, Annul is playing pretty scummy you can read my responses to his posts. Its a two for one deal. In other news here is my current lynch pick: icemac He has a reasonable activity level if you just look at the post count, but really he has said absolutely nothing. He says who we should vote for in a general sense, but avoids naming names. The one post that he does mention names in he basically just takes the top 4 most active players with no further explanation. He seems to be forcing himself to post when he doesn't actually have anything to say, so as to give the illusion of contribution. When I read through those posts, I see Icemanic supporting Annul's thoughts against the plan. In addition "day 1 analysis doesn't matter" is something I always watch out for as scum defence of scumbudie. To me, if Annul is mafia, icemanic isn't looking so hot. | ||
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DO NOT think you can make a confirmed circle day 1 DO NOT rely on 'confirmed towniesm | ||
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For example, in PM gryffindor just defended Iceman/annul. When annul flips red this will prove very useful information. | ||
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On February 24 2011 19:14 CubEdIn wrote: Icemac, on the other hand, is a smurf, so I can't know what he's usually like, but I'm guessing that he played with us before, and that's why he's being overly aggressive in some instances. I don't think that makes him scum though, especially if he played in Mafia 36 and he's got an idea about what GM "should play like", and isn't. Wait, Icemac is a smurf? Doesn't look like it to me | ||
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On February 24 2011 19:39 Jackal58 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 24 2011 18:33 Barundar wrote: Morning all, as promised I’ve read up and here is my contribution. As a fair warning it’s a wall of text, first is my general comments on the thread so far, last is my analysis. First off, goddammit GMarshal, leaking my top suspect. Can’t you hold it in for 1 night?  I wanted to see if he would actually post in the evening as he promised, but the weak FoS gave him a chance to defend himself before I got around to post. Well, at least it proved that Jackal58 has great reaction time, despite not talking much.My thoughts on the thread so far: GMarshals plan is a lot like what RoL has recommended for PM’s, pick out some random people from the list and start talking to them. While you can’t trust them, you get more to analyse, and it’s easier to catch a mafia slipping up if you have more opinions from them. Just be careful with experienced players, and treat your partners like they are scum. If I was on a scumteam, I would tell my inexperienced teammates to stay out of PM land. Gryffindor proposes a really silly (in lack of a better word) plan, there is no way of finding guaranteed innocents with GF and framer around, and even if one such could be found, all mafia has to do is gain his trust and make him spill, =dead blues. The only benefit of mass claim to a confirmed townie is the coordination of medic protection and DT checks. It won’t magicly find mafia amongst the non claimers, or identify fake claims. What gryffindor does do is post a lot, he promotes activity, and he is actually scumhunting. I don’t give much for his lists, but so far his impact has been positive on the town, as long as people don’t stop thinking for themselves. Regarding annul, you should keep in mind that he opposed GMarshals plan before he (allegedly) got his role PM. Hence I would be very careful with lynching him just for opposing that alone. Other than that agree with Foolishness’ comment, it would be funny if LSB got revenge on annul. Why has a decent case on icemac, but not certain if icemac is aggressive townie or mafia. Analysis of Jackal58 This post is COMPLETELY out of the ordinary for Jackal. Jackal’s playstyle as town consist of independent opinions, with a tendency to tunnel. His posting style is stubborn and humorous. He rarely posts long posts, and in general just give short statements, but often posts a lot. When he finds scum, he will make it clear for everyone, state his reasons, and keep up pressure on the person. Being stubborn he is very difficult to convince otherwise, once he has found his target(s). In the above post he differs from his usual play as town in a number of ways. First of all he gives multiple excuses as to his posting straight away. This is unlike his other games, even in his first game in mafia xxxv he didn’t feel the need to excuse his inexperience without being called out for it. As I said above, Jackal is an independent player, he doesn’t care much if people accuse him, town yells at him or if the things he sais comes off in the wrong way. Him apologising like this upfront, without anyone even calling him out is unusual. If you a read Ver’s guide to improving at mafia, it’s not natural for a green mindset to apologise and appear useless, since it will make other players pay less attention to what they have to say. It is however entirely within the mindset of a mafia, who just want to make a post noone cares about, and let the town fight with itself instead. He apologies for posting less, but in normal games his many first posts are just one liners, this one is a lengthy one for him. By sheer size it should be an improvement for him, but what does it really contain? His thoughts are thoroughly undecided. Why even comment then? If this is the reason he felt the need to add to the conversation, then I sincerely expected more. Jackal as town has very strong opinions, and this is just neutral mentioning – he doesn’t improve the plan, he just questions it. Posting without contributing. A weak FoS with a relevant question. On one hand it is sort of an opinion, on the other hand it has been posted before. In Guts and Glory he simply quoted Amber[light]’s post and commented “this post ems of scummyness”. Weak FoS isn’t typical Jackal, even if I wouldn’t rule it out. It’s not much to warrant a post like that from him though. He promises to post more in the evening. I was holding this analysis back to see if he actually would. As I said in the beginning, this got ruined, but he didn’t post until he got mentioned, and it still proved his reaction time was good. Note that Jackal has been posting from work in his other games, and it hasn’t stopped him from being active. Other suspicious post: Sharp reaction to getting PM’ed. Jackal had no problem PM’ing with me in mafia xxxv. ##Vote Jackal58 Actually my style is identical to every other game I've played. Not one of them has me aggressively tunneling anybody in the first day or two. I don't do that until I get a line on somebody. I'm going to have too agree with Jacakl here, Barundar you are reading too much in one post. Sure, it might be useful in RL mafia trying to pick off tells on how people are phrasing things, but in online mafia, it's a whole different game. For example, my first post was apologizing that I wouldn't be active, and I'm town. It's not like that apologizing is necessarily a bad thing. | ||
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On February 25 2011 03:25 Barundar wrote: Perhaps I am reading too much into one post. But he isn't doing much to prove me wrong. He puts a nice OMGUS on me, states that I'm part of a scumteam, and then does nothing to scumhunt against me or point out why I would be mafia. He is acting inconsistent with his own scumlist. Problem isn't that he excused himself. Problem is he held an apologetic tone without contributing much. It makes his post suspecious, and I find it interesting that you don't think it is the least suspecious. Now he has shown some agression that can be hard to fake, and is quite typical for him. But he is by no means clear of suspecion just beceause he posts an OMGUS list. I don't find him suspicions because that's how he plays. Jackel58 is known to post an OMGUS list with little/no explanation, but he is scary accurate on the scum. Look at Guts and Glory. Jackel didn't really do much in the game but name 4 people. Of the 4 people, 3 were scum. If we are going to lynch Jackal, it can't just because of a "maybe" or a "tell". I want proof. | ||
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Sure. Original post On February 24 2011 15:17 LSB wrote: EBWOP Exactly, I've already explained why Annul is a horrible choice as we go to lylo. In addition, Annul is playing pretty scummy you can read my responses to his posts. Its a two for one deal. When I read through those posts, I see Icemanic supporting Annul's thoughts against the plan. In addition "day 1 analysis doesn't matter" is something I always watch out for as scum defence of scumbudie. To me, if Annul is mafia, icemanic isn't looking so hot. Gryfs Pms Original Message From gryffindor: that guy also defended a few other people, but sure, he didn't want to lynch annul. Can you admit that you wanting to lynch annul is null in that you would be doing it regardless of what either of your alignments are? This is a clear defense of Icemanic, and trying to soft defend annul. I am confident in saying that if I replied with "ya your right, I think annul is town but I hate him and just want to lynch him", gryffindor would be supporting Annul. Of course, why lynch Annul? Well lets look at his most recent posts On February 25 2011 04:49 annul wrote: that makes no sense i dont know why this wagon is rolling on iceman we need to be voting for people that actually deserve it, such as people who bring in horrible ideas, like GM. obviously when there is 1 minute left if the vote is still close i will have to revote to iceman, but i would really much rather this wagon be GM/chaos or, if it HAS to be me (why is this always the case regardless of my role?), then me and GM. remember LSB just has a grudge against me. go read 35. ive called GM out for a bad idea and actually gave reasons, and i'm red... where 5 people have wagoned onto iceman for a much worse reason and face no heat? think about it He's insisting that we lynch GM. Why? Oh, because of his sudden ascertain that town circles are 'ainti-town' for no reason http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191888¤tpage=30#581 In addition, in this post, he has not taken a stance on Iceman (sorry if I missed a post where he did). He did say in his post that he will vote Iceman, if Iceman is on the chopping block And he does nothing else but respond to his own posts. Storytime! Why Annul was an easy read in XXXV 1) He mad up stuff and pushed stuff that didn't exist Check, this game he's pushing GMarshal, saying GMarshal is clear mafia, although there is literally nothing in his accusation 2) Besides responses, he posted nothing else Look at Annul's posts. How many of his posts deal with things other than Gmarshal or defending himself? I can't find any. | ||
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