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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
January 19 2011 02:15 GMT
#1
After taking many losses for the glory of TL, I have finally perfected the new Garen build. Where sunfires have fallen, a new build arises to take its place. I proudly present to you, the Fastest Garen.



You're actually not going to do a lot of this.

Introduction to Skills: I'm sure all of you are fully aware of what Garen's skills are, but let's go over them again for the hell of it.

Perseverance-The passive that lets you sit in a bush and heal. Try to have this up whenever possible as the free in-lane heal is nice and lets you stay there longer. Not too relevant for the purposes of this build, but nice to have.

Decisive Strike: I see this and I see free speed. When your attack speed is low, (as in under 1.5) you can use this in between attacks. So after an autoattack goes off, press q immediately. This is useful for things like last hitting, as well as in a fight against an opponent.
The silence is also useful for stopping spells or that flash across the wall.
Try to max this out right after Judgment.

Courage: While this is better than nothing, the fact that you have to level it out to get the full benefit means missing out on decisive strike. Since I like to have decisive strike up as much as possible, I don't get this until both Q and E are already maxed out. Once you have it, just press W and blitz in-the damage reduction is pretty strong.

Judgment: For the purposes of this build, Judgment does very little damage late game. Therefore, max it out early to gain the maximum benefit of it while you can. In case you aren't aware of what it does, not only does it spin and deal damage to enemies without armor, it also removes all slows on you and halves the durations of new slows. So there are two obvious times to use it-when you are near enemies, and when you are being slowed. You can activate Q while it is spinning for a boosted speed. It's not super for farming but its not terrible either-I tend to spin when there are a large amount of creeps clumped up (one normal creep wave abouts)
In teamfights, because this build forsakes damage, I generally avoid using it unless I need to deal damage on the move, or I'm in the middle of a swarm of enemies (2+ makes it worth spinning instead of attacking). If you have red buff you should probably not be using this too much.

Demacian Justice: This ultimate is an execute. The Fastest Garen build helps this because you can catch low HP champs with your insane speed. Even ghost won't save them. If they are at 33% hp that's usually enough for an execute, unless they have magic resist (so plan accordingly). This is excellent in teamfights because you can take out a player almost immediately.

Masteries: 8/21/1. Get ghost mastery and Offense Cooldown Reduction. Dont' get ardor.

Runes: Armor Pen Reds, Armor/Level Yellows, Mag Resist/Level Blues, Movement Speed Quints

Summoner Spells: Ghost Flash. Ghost for speed, and flash for flashing in while spinning/getting an ult off.

Items:
Boots of Speed + 3 HP Pots
Zeal
Depending on how much money you have, you change your next item:
If $ < 880
buy Speed Dagger
if $ > 880 but less than Zeal cost
buy Critical Strike Cape
if $ > Zeal cost but less than PD Cost
buy Zeal
if $ > PD Cost
finish PD
Merc Treads should be finished at some point in there too. Use your reasoning and judgment (kekeke)

After this, I build Atma's Impaler, Force of Nature, and Warmogs, alternating the first two depending on the enemy team comp. Then just triple pot to win the game if you haven't already.


How to Lane-Not going to address this because this is simple. Just prioritize last hitting.

How to midgame-farm open lanes whenever you see them. Mash Q whenever it is up. Get all the creeps, or as many as you can. When you've pushed the lane to a certain point go to another one (usually before second tower is a good place to stop).

How to Teamfight-try not to be caught in the middle. You are tanky, but not that tanky. If possible, flank the enemy and try and catch their squishies. At the very least you will stop them from attacking and casting. You can usually kill them, though. Your speed lets you catch them and forces their tanks to either come back to deal with you, or to let their squishies die. Keep in mind that you are the carry, though, and avoid dying no matter what. If you are low, run away-they can't catch you. Then turn around, as you will likely have regened a decent amount of HP by now, and go find a new target to blitz. Try to have red buff and don't be afraid to autoattack-your attack speed is high enough that you can out DPS a yi.

End-game. Pretend you are Shen. You don't have an ult teleport, but you run fast enough that you can be virtually anywhere at any time. If a teamfight starts or is about to start pop your q and ghost and make a beeline for the battle. Otherwise, push lanes hard, both for the farm and to kill towers.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 19 2011 02:28 GMT
#2
Wait, I may have downs, but if im reading this correctly, you get boots +3 pots, then a zeal. from that point, you either buy shit to finish the pd, or buy another zeal?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
January 19 2011 02:31 GMT
#3
On January 19 2011 11:28 Two_DoWn wrote:
Wait, I may have downs, but if im reading this correctly, you get boots +3 pots, then a zeal. from that point, you either buy shit to finish the pd, or buy another zeal?

yes, depending on the amount of money you have when you back for the second or third time
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oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
January 19 2011 02:51 GMT
#4
I get the point of this item build, but why do it on Garen? He has a small built-in speed boost, a pretty good silence, a decent single-target ult, and...? Why not do it on, say, Olaf? This just seems more like a guide to a move-speed oriented melee DPS than to Garen specifically.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
January 19 2011 02:56 GMT
#5
On January 19 2011 11:51 oberon wrote:
I get the point of this item build, but why do it on Garen? He has a small built-in speed boost, a pretty good silence, a decent single-target ult, and...? Why not do it on, say, Olaf? This just seems more like a guide to a move-speed oriented melee DPS than to Garen specifically.

olaf doesn't have an insta gib ult and this build doesnt give him enough hp early on to let him spam his e
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
January 19 2011 02:56 GMT
#6
Actually this build is pretty legit

I've been carried by it
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
January 19 2011 06:00 GMT
#7
This build won us 4v5 (flakes' internet was having stomach troubles). Or maybe it was just cos the only competent member of the enemy team was Koggy. Either way, this build made my brother laugh so hard he cried.
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
OreoBoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada1639 Posts
January 19 2011 06:02 GMT
#8
On January 19 2011 11:51 oberon wrote:
I get the point of this item build, but why do it on Garen? He has a small built-in speed boost, a pretty good silence, a decent single-target ult, and...? Why not do it on, say, Olaf? This just seems more like a guide to a move-speed oriented melee DPS than to Garen specifically.


Crit increases his spin damage
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
January 19 2011 06:44 GMT
#9
On January 19 2011 15:02 OreoBoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2011 11:51 oberon wrote:
I get the point of this item build, but why do it on Garen? He has a small built-in speed boost, a pretty good silence, a decent single-target ult, and...? Why not do it on, say, Olaf? This just seems more like a guide to a move-speed oriented melee DPS than to Garen specifically.


Crit increases his spin damage

how much does it ? Ive never heard about the ratio before.
In the woods, there lurks..
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
January 19 2011 07:47 GMT
#10
On January 19 2011 15:44 Iplaythings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2011 15:02 OreoBoi wrote:
On January 19 2011 11:51 oberon wrote:
I get the point of this item build, but why do it on Garen? He has a small built-in speed boost, a pretty good silence, a decent single-target ult, and...? Why not do it on, say, Olaf? This just seems more like a guide to a move-speed oriented melee DPS than to Garen specifically.


Crit increases his spin damage

how much does it ? Ive never heard about the ratio before.

it doesnt increase spin damage, it increases the chance that the spin damage for a particular damage tick is doubled (or in the case of infinity edge, 2.5'd. )

so a 50% crit chance means a 50% chance that a judgement hit deals double damage.
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Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
January 19 2011 18:42 GMT
#11
On January 19 2011 16:47 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2011 15:44 Iplaythings wrote:
On January 19 2011 15:02 OreoBoi wrote:
On January 19 2011 11:51 oberon wrote:
I get the point of this item build, but why do it on Garen? He has a small built-in speed boost, a pretty good silence, a decent single-target ult, and...? Why not do it on, say, Olaf? This just seems more like a guide to a move-speed oriented melee DPS than to Garen specifically.


Crit increases his spin damage

how much does it ? Ive never heard about the ratio before.

it doesnt increase spin damage, it increases the chance that the spin damage for a particular damage tick is doubled (or in the case of infinity edge, 2.5'd. )

so a 50% crit chance means a 50% chance that a judgement hit deals double damage.



To add to this, if you look at when he spins there is a different graphic when he "crits" with his spin. There is a little mini ult sword that comes down onto the target.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
January 19 2011 18:50 GMT
#12
unless they've changed it (they might have, idk)... Crit ticks of judgement only double the AD scaling portion of it. I wouldn't be surprised if they changed it though, seeing as how they took a giant dump on the AD scaling by making it only Bonus AD.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
January 19 2011 18:54 GMT
#13
On January 20 2011 03:50 Mogwai wrote:
unless they've changed it (they might have, idk)... Crit ticks of judgement only double the AD scaling portion of it. I wouldn't be surprised if they changed it though, seeing as how they took a giant dump on the AD scaling by making it only Bonus AD.

yes this
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 19:04:10
January 19 2011 19:03 GMT
#14
Should try this build with a crit-damage page yo.
Lunek
Profile Joined October 2010
Poland164 Posts
January 19 2011 19:10 GMT
#15
what about LW somewhere?
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
January 19 2011 19:18 GMT
#16
On January 20 2011 03:54 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 03:50 Mogwai wrote:
unless they've changed it (they might have, idk)... Crit ticks of judgement only double the AD scaling portion of it. I wouldn't be surprised if they changed it though, seeing as how they took a giant dump on the AD scaling by making it only Bonus AD.

yes this

so it's still just critting the AD scaling portion?
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
January 19 2011 19:41 GMT
#17
On January 20 2011 04:18 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 03:54 Caller wrote:
On January 20 2011 03:50 Mogwai wrote:
unless they've changed it (they might have, idk)... Crit ticks of judgement only double the AD scaling portion of it. I wouldn't be surprised if they changed it though, seeing as how they took a giant dump on the AD scaling by making it only Bonus AD.

yes this

so it's still just critting the AD scaling portion?

yep
which, since the scaling is shit, makes me just build the PDs for running. E at lategame is only useful for doing damage on the move and getting rid of slows, really. Otherwise I would just use autoattacks.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
January 19 2011 19:42 GMT
#18
LOL, what a shitty character.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
January 19 2011 19:46 GMT
#19
On January 20 2011 04:42 Mogwai wrote:
LOL, what a shitty character.

at least i can carry tl with him

he seriously does a lot of damage with the pds, i out dpsd shitcombos jungle yi and ran faster than him too. plus i'm far tankier. He can still get focused down, but that's why I come in at the side to force the squishies to run. Time enemy carries spend running is time they aren't shooting which lowers the enemy dps level.
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 19:51:32
January 19 2011 19:51 GMT
#20
zzz, so when you said E scales with phantom dancer...it really doesn't.

wat


P.dancer Kennen > P.dancer garen
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