[Champion] Garen - Page 3

OutlaW-

Czech Republic5053 Posts

June 23 2012 11:44 GMT

#41

On June 23 2012 15:50 schmutttt wrote:
Do people still think Garen is viable top? Played him vs Irelia the other day and crushed her, sure his late game makes him basically a blob of hp but his damage early/mid is still crazy good, and he is still damn hard to kill.

I'd probably only play him vs a few select tops as he is still an average champ, but was wondering what the better players on here have to say.

darius is better in almost every way

Alzadar

Canada5009 Posts

June 23 2012 22:29 GMT

#42

I've been playing him a bunch lately just for variety. His laning is very strong against anyone that has to get up close to him, and weak to those who don't. His lategame isn't the greatest but it's honestly not bad at all so long as you build some AD. All you need is Randuin's or Frozen Mallet + Bloodthirster and you'll remain relevant later.

In regards to vs Darius comparison, I haven't played as Darius yet but Garen does have a few advantages over him. Notably:
- Garen has some sustain (passive)
- Garen is much tankier (Courage is REALLY good + higher base HP)
- Garen does much more AoE damage (Judgement is 630 + 4.2*AD vs Decimate 315 + 1.05*AD)

Overall Darius is probably better, he isn't better across the board.

Sufficiency

Canada23833 Posts

June 24 2012 01:36 GMT

#43

I believe Garen's Q makes him better against "casters".

armed_

Canada443 Posts

June 24 2012 08:37 GMT

#44

On June 24 2012 07:29 Alzadar wrote:
- Garen does much more AoE damage (Judgement is 630 + 4.2*AD vs Decimate 315 + 1.05*AD)

This is a pretty inaccurate comparison; Decimate has half the cooldown, larger radius, does its damage instantly vs. over 3 seconds, and applies bleed for an extra 36+0.3AD. Judgement is still more damage against a single target but since you have to stick to targets for 3 seconds and the radius is so piddly I feel like it's probably less damage overall in the average teamfight.

JackDino

Gabon6219 Posts

June 24 2012 09:23 GMT

#45

On June 24 2012 17:37 armed_ wrote:

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You don't play garen to hit their entire team with a spin, you play garen to Q-->E-->R someone and make it a 5v4 for your team.

Shikyo

Finland33997 Posts

June 24 2012 10:07 GMT

#46

A pretty large problem is that when someone does the armor runebuild(flat armor marks, seals, quints, glyphs) and starts cloth, they can just bully you off the lane no matter what, pretty much. At least they can laugh in your face as you try to harrass them.

Also judgement vs Decimate is a very silly comparison, it's like you forgot that Darius can auto after using Decimate.

obesechicken13

United States10467 Posts

August 12 2012 22:56 GMT

#47

Well xypherous did a lot of answering community questions on the Garen remake. He's supposed to be able to scale better now.

Also he says top lane is poisonous because it's too snowbally.

Garen's getting number tweaks. Mostly he does less max damage and more minimum damage.
His silence is shorter. His Q gives 35% movespeed instead of 15% but only lasts 1.5 seconds instead of 4.
His E lasts shorter and has a lower ratio. It still avoids minion collision but now garen gets slowed moving through minions 20%. His Q now has the slow reduction.
His W lasts 1second less(2 seconds) but adds more armor than the old one as soon as you get some armor and mr.
And his ult is now going to be the highest cooldown ult in the game at rank 1? No more spin ult bug.

I'm just going to call that garen's going to be easier to kite. Can't believe I was scared for a second.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?

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